Ian1779
Well-Known Member
And if my Dad had a fanny he’d be my Mum.
You can’t extrapolate up results for a party with only one policy.
why?
If the eu elections 2019 had been a general election the result would be:
Brexit: 446 seats
Labour: 93 seats
SNP: 56 seats
Lib: 31 seats
Plaid: 5 seats
Green: 1 seat
Conservative: 0 seats
Brexit Party majority 242!
ANOTHER extension you mean.
And Artcle 50 can be revoked at any time and probably will.
Wow you sound a bit miffed yourself mate.Bollocks! Angry people vote. Brexit parties got 5 more seats than 2014, remain got 20 more than 2014. Remain are angrier. Most people don’t want the snake oil salesman and charlatan as leader.
My, you righties really are in a state aren't you. Panic in the streets.why?
If the eu elections 2019 had been a general election the result would be:
Brexit: 446 seats
Labour: 93 seats
SNP: 56 seats
Lib: 31 seats
Plaid: 5 seats
Green: 1 seat
Conservative: 0 seats
Brexit Party majority 242!
Which will hold them back as long as they still hold the ties to their great betrayal. The sooner he hurries up on his promise to stand aside, the better.Let’s be honest all Farage has to do is tell chameleon Cabke he can have a seat on his top table and a ministerial salary and old Vince will drop his trousers and campaign to leave
The Lib dems are the grubbiest most dishonest bunch of charlatans in Westminster
So remainers aren’t angry and are happy to leave - wow
This thread is indesputable evidence that remain voters are absolutely deluded... Go back and listen to yourselves.
Might take a few weeks because it's a fecking huge thread but seriously get a bastard grip
I certainly agree that GE would make for a different outcome. Farage has made his point & should pursue only Brexit. THAT by my interpretation seems to be what the country wants.
His other policies would I suspect divide opinion among Brexit supporters far more & people would either not vote or revert to their 'safe' ground on the ballot paper.
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Just for you: „The real story from last night’s European Parliament election results is the huge surge in support for the strongly pro-People’s Vote parties. The Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP, Change UK and Plaid Cymru won 40% of the vote compared to 35% for the Brexit Party and UKIP.“
I am angry, but have voted FDP in Germany. Liberals. So my vote has gone to the liberal grouping in the EU. Yes, I am an angry remainer and like many have voted liberal. In my case in another EU country.
why?
If the eu elections 2019 had been a general election the result would be:
Brexit: 446 seats
Labour: 93 seats
SNP: 56 seats
Lib: 31 seats
Plaid: 5 seats
Green: 1 seat
Conservative: 0 seats
Brexit Party majority 242!
Few more seats for AFD?
Bar the last general election, that's been his way since taking power!What's going on with Corbyn and Labour?
I saw an interview with him and he just looks as if he hasn't got a clue. Just happy to sit on the fence and try to luck their way into power when the Tories inevitably fuck up again.
But the European elections isn’t a general election and not that reflective of Westminster voting intention.
The Tories got punished for failing to deliver Brexit and Labour got punished for it’s ambiguous Brexit policy.
Pro-remain and no-deal Brexit won the day because their messages on Brexit were clear.
Few more seats for AFD?
If those sorts of things were in place then I doubt we would be stuck in this mess because migration would be under control, our welfare state and NHS protected from people who don't contribute enough. The money sent to the EU should have been justified better, a programme of explanation and perspective to show it in relation to overall government budget would have helped. I still blame the morons like Cameron, Osborne, Blair, Mark Carney and others who rather than threaten and mock the people and their opponents should have had some sympathy with prevalent issues but instead they antagonised the public who were already sick of the political classes anyway and encouraged rebellion.
It was the very forces fighting for Remain that caused Leave !
As I've posted earlier I didn't vote, I'm sick of the lot of them !
No. AfD are disappointed. Only got 10%. Greens are the winners. AfD blame the scandal with the FPÖ in Austria offering corrupt contracts to a Russian in exchange for the Russian buying a tabloid and campaigning for them. The Austrian right and extreme right government has ended in tears. Usual for the far right parties. Scandals and corruption followed by a falling out. Same for UKIP. AfD is also involved in donor scandals, and people in Germany see what their neighbours are up to. AfD are only strong in the East. They got hammered in the West.
Just for you: „The real story from last night’s European Parliament election results is the huge surge in support for the strongly pro-People’s Vote parties. The Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP, Change UK and Plaid Cymru won 40% of the vote compared to 35% for the Brexit Party and UKIP.“
Conveniently leaves out tories who got 9% and takes brexit parties to 44%. Add Labour also and you have actually nearer 60% to leave the EU. Tories and Labour both are on current manifestos of leave the EU and it’s CU and SM if I remembered 2017 general election correctly.
Listen the truth is no one in major numbers has changed their mind and the result would be roughly the same again if a referendum was held tomorrow. The problem is turnout would be no where near as high at 33m people and you have actually a lot of remainers accept the democratic result. This is why they are not pushing for remain and leave in a second referendum instead they are trying remain or Mays deal. Give no genuine leave option and remain will win.
They are not pushing for another referendum with the same question because „leave“ didn’t say what leave actually was. The problem would remain and the answer would be similar ( a couple of percent either way ). The option of a people’s Vote should be leave or remain, but this time round with the additional option, should leave win: whatever deal the government thinks is the right one and which has been accepted by the EU, versus no deal. Then we have clarified what leave is. No one can use the argument that people didn’t know what they are voting for.
No more seats?
There is no mechanism for this to happen - give up
They are not pushing for another referendum with the same question because „leave“ didn’t say what leave actually was. The problem would remain and the answer would be similar ( a couple of percent either way ). The option of a people’s Vote should be leave or remain, but this time round with the additional option, should leave win: whatever deal the government thinks is the right one and which has been accepted by the EU, versus no deal. Then we have clarified what leave is. No one can use the argument that people didn’t know what they are voting for.
In which case Rees Mogg is the biggest remainer goingBut that’s quite far fetched. Too many options. It won’t be allowed.
I heard another option was remain mays treaty or no deal but that’s just the old 3 card trick. Split the leave vote.
This is by the question was so simple. You have to remain or leave.
But that’s quite far fetched. Too many options. It won’t be allowed.
I heard another option was remain mays treaty or no deal but that’s just the old 3 card trick. Split the leave vote.
This is by the question was so simple. You have to remain or leave.
Why weren’t people in favour of May‘s leave deal then? It met the only criterium given = leaving the EU. Leave the EU is not enough to give a clear mandate. You have to know what leave is, otherwise you will always have this argumentation.
I meant 2 answers, leave v remain, with a subsequent option of the agreed deal or no deal. Still a 2 card trick, but with a second option should leave be the answer to the first question.
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No, if you look at the HEAD TO HEAD arguement about Brexit, its effectively them Vs Change....who got absolutely mauled and thats being kind to them.
Conveniently leaves out tories who got 9% and takes brexit parties to 44%. Add Labour also and you have actually nearer 60% to leave the EU. Tories and Labour both are on current manifestos of leave the EU and it’s CU and SM if I remembered 2017 general election correctly.
There is no mechanism for this to happen - give up
Why not? It has been suggested before. You can’t claim will of the people when it wasn’t clear which end result people were voting for. May presented a leave agreement and it was rejected as not being leave. Although it was leave. If you are going to change the legal status of the UK by referendum, you have to make it clear to what legal status you are changing it to. No deal was never offered or wanted before the referendum. It came into being because no one could agree on anything and May had said no deal is better than a bad deal. Seeing as there were no good deals to be had, we have the worst case situation of no deal as leave. Pathetic. The people should at least have the final day as to whether this is what they voted for.
I mean there is. We could request another extension...
The Government can also unilaterally revoke Article 50 if it wanted to.
Half the country at least doesn’t want Brexit, otherwise BxP would have got more than 50%.
Why not? They were perfectly happy with their candidates voting for May's sell-out deal.Oh yes let’s see a conservative candidate go to its members with a policy of revoking article 50
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