The Environmental Impacts of Fisher's Plans - My Email to the FL (1 Viewer)

[SBS]

After seeing the "6 Things You Can Do" thread, I decided to do my bit and email the Football League. I started writing an email that I imagine they've seen a few of - "Not one penny more", "Supported all my life" etc. However, I decided to change it to one that I thought they might not have had. I don't have the financial or business knowledge that some posters on here have, but I do have experience in environmental sustainability and I think the more problems that we can present the Football League, the more effective these emails will be. Anyway, here's what I sent.

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Hello,

Whilst I am sure you've had a fair few messages from CCFC supporters regarding the situation surrounding SISU, The Ricoh and the administration process, I am not writing to question the integrity of Mr Appleton. Rather, I am looking to get the Football League's view on the environmental impacts that will be caused by SISU's plans.



SISU's plan appears to be to move the club out of the city for three years, whilst they build another ground. I have searched The Football League's website for information on their environmental policy, but struggled to find anything. I did find one article (http://www.healthystadia.eu/case-studies/environmental/item/87-football-league-trust.html) which gave details of a partnership between the FL Trust and the Environmental Agency. The article is from 2010 and if there is anything more up to date I would be grateful if you could send it to me. Looking through this article, there are a number of aims which will be contradicted if SISU's plans are allowed to happen. It does say that 52 clubs have either made sustainability plans or are producing them. Have Coventry City provided these? Is it possible to be sent a copy?


There are the impacts caused by transportation to wherever we play for the next three (Probably more given it took us nearly 10 years to play at The Ricoh) years. Whilst I don't think many fans will attend if we are playing at Walsall etc, Tim Fisher has estimated 3000 will make the journey. Surely this contradicts the FL Trust's aims of reducing the environmental impacts caused by transport?


Obviously the main environmental impact of SISU's plan is going to be the construction of a brand new stadium. I'm not going to sit here and list all the environmental issues surrounding this, but either way it makes me sorting my milk bottles and newspapers into their various recycling schemes a bit pointless. The article does mention the construction of new grounds being done in a sustainable way, but this situation is a lot different to the normal rebuilding process.


Essentially, the question I am asking is what the Football League's (and the Environmental Agency if the partnership is still active) opinion is on the environmental impacts the SISU's plans will invariably cause. My opinion is that we should all be doing our bit for the environment and that football clubs should be setting an example. I look forward to receiving yours.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Believe it or not one man stopped the Aberdeen bypass from being built because it would endanger some frogs. Could be worth a shot.

 

[Otis]

Believe it or not one man stopped the Aberdeen bypass from being built because it would endanger some frogs. Could be worth a shot.

Most of us however don't give two hoots about the bleedin French!

Can't fight their own wars? :jerkit:

 

[bigfatronssba]

When the location is revealed just tell the telegraph that you've seen bats or adders in the area.

Just a mention of an endangered species in the area will mean it all has to be investigated properly, delaying sisus plans and causing them extra cost.

 

[hutch1972]

When the location is revealed just tell the telegraph that you've seen bats or adders in the area.

Just a mention of an endangered species in the area will mean it all has to be investigated properly, delaying sisus plans and causing them extra cost.

As what happened at the Ricoh, except i'm not sure that Gypsies are an endangered species !

 

[Hobo]

Great we can all become Ricoh Warriors (oh no wrong thread) I mean ECO Warriors!

 

[wingy]

Most of us however don't give two hoots about the bleedin French!

Can't fight their own wars? :jerkit:

Careful Otis Les Grenuilles have feelings ,eyes and ears.

Contrary to your opinion they are willing to die for the cause.

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[RegTheDonk]

......either way it makes me sorting my milk bottles and newspapers into their various recycling schemes a bit pointless. .....

Hehe that cracked me up :claping hands:

Nice idea SBS, and to be fair a point that any decent "planner" thats spoken to SISU should have considered, you can't legislate for local objections or surveyers finding flaws once they've gone into more detail. If it goes ahead, blame the Tories - they want to cut red tape!

 

[Colin1883]

Would hr2 be located in baginton? A huge area of land is up for grabs

Sisu would simply off set the extra carbon emissions by selling them to some 3rd world country or planting a sustainable Forrest in...

 

[psgm1]

This is my point!

The group will tell you the only way to get oanywhere is to join them on their meaningless protests.

But is it?

Maybe this e-mail will work, maybe it wont. But does it anywhere mention the sky blues trust?

It is a well thought out logical argument based on facts - and not asking rhetorical questions!

You are never going to bring down someone like sisu attacking head on - they planned for this.

How you will defeat them is like anything - you look for the chink in their defences.

I raised an apparently insignificant detail about website credits. This brought about the FA confirming it was Ltd which was the club - not holdings. All of a sudden sisu were forced to alter their stance on ltd. Now they might well have already planned for this, but all of a sudden this became the focus of the fight.

This had nothing whatsoever to do with the trust.

The group wrote long winden and loaded questions to the administrator - how did that pan out? Sisu were expecting this and planned for it.

Now maybe they had a contingency for this environmental question, but there is very little they could do about it. This is set out in legislation. Sisu can hardly say fans travelling an unnecessary 30+ miles each match is better for the environment than current status quo can they!

Also sisu will be forced to lay on coaches - this is a legal requirement. What will happen if someone buys a ticket and has no means of getting to the temporary home venue? Sisu are legally obliged to provide transport. They therefore must lay on coaches.

Has anyone got sway with the local coach firms? Can they be persuaded to refuse to provide coaches for sisu? If they are unable to provide transport, then they can be taken to court. They cannot possibly win these cases, as they are legally obliged to provide transport.

I'm not saying this is viable, but it is possible, and the point is it will have nothing to do with the trust!

If one voice is the way forward, how come they have failed so spectacularly?

It's time for those that really want to do something to stop waiting for the group to do something. they wont do anything that doesn't have a high publicity profile.

This is why they aven't written to the league - no publicity.

They write to the administrator - and make sure they publish! -WHY???

People think for yourself. You don't need the go ahead from these people - they are no more informed or capable than anyone else!

Just look at the "protest" saturday. What has it achieved other than publicity for their group?

Wake up and realise they only have self interest and self promotion in mind.

Why else do it?

Think people - these people do not have the clubs welfare at heart. Maybe tey did once, but not now. Otherwise if it was just for the good of the club, why emblazen their logo on every banner? Or wear an embroidered t-shirt for the tv interview?

The evidence is their if you only look!

sbt out sisu out

 

[ccfcway]

When the location is revealed just tell the telegraph that you've seen bats or adders in the area.

Just a mention of an endangered species in the area will mean it all has to be investigated properly, delaying sisus plans and causing them extra cost.

well, I know a few snakes have been to the area

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

This is my point!

The group will tell you the only way to get oanywhere is to join them on their meaningless protests.

But is it?

Maybe this e-mail will work, maybe it wont. But does it anywhere mention the sky blues trust?

It is a well thought out logical argument based on facts - and not asking rhetorical questions!

You are never going to bring down someone like sisu attacking head on - they planned for this.

How you will defeat them is like anything - you look for the chink in their defences.

I raised an apparently insignificant detail about website credits. This brought about the FA confirming it was Ltd which was the club - not holdings. All of a sudden sisu were forced to alter their stance on ltd. Now they might well have already planned for this, but all of a sudden this became the focus of the fight.

This had nothing whatsoever to do with the trust.

The group wrote long winden and loaded questions to the administrator - how did that pan out? Sisu were expecting this and planned for it.

Now maybe they had a contingency for this environmental question, but there is very little they could do about it. This is set out in legislation. Sisu can hardly say fans travelling an unnecessary 30+ miles each match is better for the environment than current status quo can they!

Also sisu will be forced to lay on coaches - this is a legal requirement. What will happen if someone buys a ticket and has no means of getting to the temporary home venue? Sisu are legally obliged to provide transport. They therefore must lay on coaches.

Has anyone got sway with the local coach firms? Can they be persuaded to refuse to provide coaches for sisu? If they are unable to provide transport, then they can be taken to court. They cannot possibly win these cases, as they are legally obliged to provide transport.

I'm not saying this is viable, but it is possible, and the point is it will have nothing to do with the trust!

If one voice is the way forward, how come they have failed so spectacularly?

It's time for those that really want to do something to stop waiting for the group to do something. they wont do anything that doesn't have a high publicity profile.

This is why they aven't written to the league - no publicity.

They write to the administrator - and make sure they publish! -WHY???

People think for yourself. You don't need the go ahead from these people - they are no more informed or capable than anyone else!

Just look at the "protest" saturday. What has it achieved other than publicity for their group?

Wake up and realise they only have self interest and self promotion in mind.

Why else do it?

Think people - these people do not have the clubs welfare at heart. Maybe tey did once, but not now. Otherwise if it was just for the good of the club, why emblazen their logo on every banner? Or wear an embroidered t-shirt for the tv interview?

The evidence is their if you only look!

sbt out sisu out

Oh fuck me he's back, the man with the most pointless threads in skybluestalk history. We have a fight on our hands to save our club you twonk, and all you bloody write about is the fecking trust

 

[lordsummerisle]

Oh fuck me he's back, the man with the most pointless threads in skybluestalk history. We have a fight on our hands to save our club you twonk, and all you bloody write about is the fecking trust

He's still got a bit to go to catch up with Dongle, getting there though!

 

[win9nut]

This is my point!

The group will tell you the only way to get oanywhere is to join them on their meaningless protests.

But is it?

Maybe this e-mail will work, maybe it wont. But does it anywhere mention the sky blues trust?

It is a well thought out logical argument based on facts - and not asking rhetorical questions!

You are never going to bring down someone like sisu attacking head on - they planned for this.

How you will defeat them is like anything - you look for the chink in their defences.

I raised an apparently insignificant detail about website credits. This brought about the FA confirming it was Ltd which was the club - not holdings. All of a sudden sisu were forced to alter their stance on ltd. Now they might well have already planned for this, but all of a sudden this became the focus of the fight.

This had nothing whatsoever to do with the trust.

The group wrote long winden and loaded questions to the administrator - how did that pan out? Sisu were expecting this and planned for it.

Now maybe they had a contingency for this environmental question, but there is very little they could do about it. This is set out in legislation. Sisu can hardly say fans travelling an unnecessary 30+ miles each match is better for the environment than current status quo can they!

Also sisu will be forced to lay on coaches - this is a legal requirement. What will happen if someone buys a ticket and has no means of getting to the temporary home venue? Sisu are legally obliged to provide transport. They therefore must lay on coaches.

Has anyone got sway with the local coach firms? Can they be persuaded to refuse to provide coaches for sisu? If they are unable to provide transport, then they can be taken to court. They cannot possibly win these cases, as they are legally obliged to provide transport.

I'm not saying this is viable, but it is possible, and the point is it will have nothing to do with the trust!

If one voice is the way forward, how come they have failed so spectacularly?

It's time for those that really want to do something to stop waiting for the group to do something. they wont do anything that doesn't have a high publicity profile.

This is why they aven't written to the league - no publicity.

They write to the administrator - and make sure they publish! -WHY???

People think for yourself. You don't need the go ahead from these people - they are no more informed or capable than anyone else!

Just look at the "protest" saturday. What has it achieved other than publicity for their group?

Wake up and realise they only have self interest and self promotion in mind.

Why else do it?

Think people - these people do not have the clubs welfare at heart. Maybe tey did once, but not now. Otherwise if it was just for the good of the club, why emblazen their logo on every banner? Or wear an embroidered t-shirt for the tv interview?

The evidence is their if you only look!

sbt out sisu out

Careful PSGM, bold and capitals... Haha

I don't see the relevance of your argument regarding whether or not someone should be a member of the SBT when organising individual emails like this. There are times joint action will work and times where it will not. Individual actions such as this will not require the Trusts say so, but helps towards the cause.

Also, individuals can rely on their individual experience. Individual experience (naturally) differs from person to person, so maybe no one at the trust has experience in environmental impacts, but I'm sure there are contacts at the trust who have access to coach hire companies however. So perhaps direct your question to them?

Stop trying to fight the world! You have the same aims in the very short term as the trust, focus your criticism on the common enemy, SISU/OEG!