The Championship's well run clubs (2 Viewers)

SkyBlueGuy · Jan 28, 2022

... Apparently we now considered amongst them! What ever your feelings regarding the owners, its certainly nice to be on the right side of this list for a change.

Luton, Coventry and Forest among well-run clubs in the Championsip

The Championship is often portrayed as a chaotic sewer, but it also contains well-run clubs and even some owners who've changed their spots.

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Tea & Busquets · Jan 28, 2022

they’re mistaking robin’s magic for our owners being good.

SkyBlueGuy · Jan 28, 2022

Tea & Busquets said:
they’re mistaking robin’s magic for our owners being good.

My thinking went along a similar route after posting. Would we be where we are without Robins? Probably not.

That said, we do at least seem to be employing a sustainable model now, which gives me more confidence in the long term future of the club

shmmeee · Jan 28, 2022

SkyBlueGuy said:
My thinking went along a similar route after posting. Would we be where we are without Robins? Probably not.

That said, we do at least seem to be employing a sustainable model now, which gives me more confidence in the long term future of the club

Aren’t we in as much debt as before Sisu took over with more added each year?

Ccfcisparks · Jan 28, 2022

shmmeee said:
Aren’t we in as much debt as before Sisu took over with more added each year?

Yeah debt to the owners. It’s despicable and increases their grip on us.

pusbccfc · Jan 28, 2022

We are in the top 10 on a small budget. In that sense we are ran fairly well.

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon · Jan 28, 2022

shmmeee said:
Aren’t we in as much debt as before Sisu took over with more added each year?

I don't know if it is as high as when they arrived but it is certainly substantial and increasing. The level of interest charged is high, though i'm not sure what you'd realistically compare it to if trying to qork out if we're being exploited or not.

I haven't read the article but i'd have thought we are being run 'better than most of the shitshows in the division' as opposed to 'well'.

shmmeee · Jan 28, 2022

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
I don't know if it is as high as when they arrived but it is certainly substantial and increasing. The level of interest charged is high, though i'm not sure what you'd realistically compare it to if trying to qork out if we're being exploited or not.

I haven't read the article but i'd have thought we are being run 'better than most of the shitshows in the division' as opposed to 'well'.

It was more the word “sustainable” I had an issue with. We’re about as sustainable as my daughter is self sufficient, in that she is until I get sick of her and make her actually support herself. Not a worry while she’s six, but when she’s thirty I may have a very different view. And of course I have a plan to ensure my daughter does get to self sufficiency before then, which I’ve not seen from Sisu.

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon · Jan 28, 2022

shmmeee said:
It was more the word “sustainable” I had an issue with. We’re about as sustainable as my daughter is self sufficient, in that she is until I get sick of her and make her actually support herself. Not a worry while she’s six, but when she’s thirty I may have a very different view. And of course I have a plan to ensure my daughter does get to self sufficiency before then, which I’ve not seen from Sisu.

Id have to go looking for some comparisons across the division but i suspect loads of teams need money putting in from the ownership, cant see many being sustainable from that point of view. I find the lack of a clear long-term plan for the future troubling too, how long is a hedge-fund content to cover losses at high interest rates? Or is that the plan now? If so, doesn't suggest we're ever likely to be set up for 'success'

Skyblueweeman · Jan 28, 2022

It reads like things changed when Boddy came in.

That should get someone going at least....

steve cooper · Jan 28, 2022

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
Id have to go looking for some comparisons across the division but i suspect loads of teams need money putting in from the ownership, cant see many being sustainable from that point of view. I find the lack of a clear long-term plan for the future troubling too, how long is a hedge-fund content to cover losses at high interest rates? Or is that the plan now? If so, doesn't suggest we're ever likely to be set up for 'success'

While they are paying their investors a much higher interest rate than they can get elsewhere, I guess they are relying on them never asking for their investment back

Grendel · Jan 28, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
It reads like things changed when Boddy came in.

That should get someone going at least....

Well yes we moved to Birmingham - Daves speciality is moving clubs around

rob9872 · Jan 28, 2022

I was expecting this to be a very short list. The fact we're considered among them is beyond parody.

christonabike · Jan 28, 2022

Sisu can load as much debt as they like on the club. It doesnt matter what they say it owes them, the club will have a value and thats it. Robins has worked miracles and steadily setting long term foundations. Long may he continue.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 28, 2022

Not convinced 'we chat about building a new stadium now and again' is a reason for a tick in the 'well run' box...

Grendel · Jan 28, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Not convinced 'we chat about building a new stadium now and again' is a reason for a tick in the 'well run' box...

A well run club that has no assets and no leaseholder value. Yeah how convincing

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 28, 2022

Grendel said:
A well run club that has no assets and no leaseholder value. Yeah how convincing

I read their linked article about the Nottingham Forest owner too. That made me chuckle.

Skyblueweeman · Jan 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Well yes we moved to Birmingham - Daves speciality is moving clubs around

Here he is ;-)

Grendel · Jan 28, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
Here he is ;-)

List Boddys achievements

Skyblueweeman · Jan 28, 2022

Grendel said:
List Boddys achievements

I'm not his biographer.

I did however mention on another thread the other day how I feel the club has progressed in his time here. Is he responsible for all of it - no. Should he take some credit as the CEO - yes. Has he/the club go everything right in the last 5 years - no? Are we as a football club (not a business) in a better position than 5 years ago - yes.

Crack open your spreadsheet - you should find it in seconds.

better days · Jan 28, 2022

Astonishing turn around really
Don't know why anyone would have it in for Boddy
He's only an employee and on balance has done a good job

Skyblueweeman · Jan 28, 2022

better days said:
Astonishing turn around really
Don't know why anyone would have it in for Boddy
He's only an employee and on balance has done a good job

'Yeah but there was this one time where he did a bad thing at another club, and he was solely responsible for St Andrews and he's not paid off our debts yet...."

Some people will always find the negatives. Fair enough.

skybluesam66 · Jan 28, 2022

we know there is the debt and the interest etc - but there is no doubt that the model is a lot better than it has been and a lot better than other clubs . Very few football clubs are run well, but we are certainly nowhere near the relegation zone

We are certainly in a better position now than we were when SISU took over - i guess against that, is the competition has moved on in terms of quality and spending power etc which unfortunately leaves us further away from the promised land

Grendel · Jan 28, 2022

skybluesam66 said:
we know there is the debt and the interest etc - but there is no doubt that the model is a lot better than it has been and a lot better than other clubs . Very few football clubs are run well, but we are certainly nowhere near the relegation zone

We are certainly in a better position now than we were when SISU took over - i guess against that, is the competition has moved on in terms of quality and spending power etc which unfortunately leaves us further away from the promised land

In what ways are we in a better position?

Grendel · Jan 28, 2022

better days said:
Astonishing turn around really
Don't know why anyone would have it in for Boddy
He's only an employee and on balance has done a good job

He has a title of CEO - that’s a bit more than just an employee

Grendel · Jan 28, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
I'm not his biographer.

I did however mention on another thread the other day how I feel the club has progressed in his time here. Is he responsible for all of it - no. Should he take some credit as the CEO - yes. Has he/the club go everything right in the last 5 years - no? Are we as a football club (not a business) in a better position than 5 years ago - yes.

Crack open your spreadsheet - you should find it in seconds.

So fisher I assume should take even more credit?

skybluetony176 · Jan 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Well yes we moved to Birmingham - Daves speciality is moving clubs around

So you’re saying it’s Dave Boddy’s fault that Wasps wouldn’t offer us a new deal? Maybe you think Dave had the authority to stop SISU’s legal pursuits. Or maybe you’re just talking bollocks.

Skyblueweeman · Jan 28, 2022

Grendel said:
So fisher I assume should take even more credit?

I've not got the time nor the desire to apportion percentages but on said thread the other day, @Deleted member 5849 asked me directly if Fisher should take some credit as well to which I replied, yes, he should.

MR isn't the only person responsible for the last few years on the pitch - he's got a great team around him that have helped.
Boddy isn't the only person responsible for what I, and seemingly a few others see, as the club being run in a better manner in the last few years. Others involved in the day to day decision making of the club or the running of the club, deserve some credit as well. Fisher falls into that bracket.

Liquid Gold · Jan 28, 2022

Let alone us how are Forest on that list? They have lost £200m in a decade.

It should be called "clubs who are in decent form in the league"

better days · Jan 28, 2022

Grendel said:
He has a title of CEO - that’s a bit more than just an employee

Still just an employee G
He doesn't own any of the equity

MalcSB · Jan 28, 2022

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
I don't know if it is as high as when they arrived but it is certainly substantial and increasing. The level of interest charged is high, though i'm not sure what you'd realistically compare it to if trying to qork out if we're being exploited or not.

I haven't read the article but i'd have thought we are being run 'better than most of the shitshows in the division' as opposed to 'well'.

I read an article today that said Burnley were being charged 9% interest on their loans.

Terry Gibson's perm · Jan 28, 2022

I imagine it’s a fairly short list.

Happy_Martian · Jan 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Well yes we moved to Birmingham - Daves speciality is moving clubs around

But it wasn't Boddy's fault we moved to Northampton. Fisher was the culprit then. Whoever was at fault for forcing the departure, at least Boddy got us a decent ground closer than The Cobblers.

rob9872 · Jan 28, 2022

Happy_Martian said:
But it wasn't Boddy's fault we moved to Northampton. Fisher was the culprit then. Whoever was at fault for forcing the departure, at least Boddy got us a decent ground closer than The Cobblers.

Tbf that was a very last minute thing. I had very close info at the time that it 100% wasn't going to be Birmingham and that came from Boddy. Whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened (and I'm not getting into the pissing contest between you, G or anyone one else) I do know that we already had an agreement with Burton to share that had been sanctioned by the EFL. Goodness only knows where we would be now had that happened.

clint van damme · Jan 28, 2022

Does someone get paid to write this hogwash?

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