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Terror attack in Manchester? (1 Viewer)

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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 11, 2019
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Number of people stabbed at random in the Arndale Centre.

It happens the same week the brother of the Manchester bomber appears in court. Might be linked, might not.

Anyway, hopefully no fatalities.
 

ccfc92

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #2
Manchester stabbing: Arndale evacuated, reports of multiple injuries - live

Looks white to me, so unless he's a convert, it will be "mentally unstable".
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #3
Hopefully they are ok and injuries aren't too bad.

Maybe the bloke who did it should vanish on the way to the station.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #4
Who said it was a terror attack? It's just as likely related to the fact there isn't another World Mental Health Day today!
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #5
Nick said:
Hopefully they are ok and injuries aren't too bad.

Maybe the bloke who did it should vanish on the way to the station.
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Those police vans can be very uncomfortable, i understand. Hope he doesn't come out with too many inexplicable bruises or broken bones!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #6
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Who said it was a terror attack? It's just as likely related to the fact there isn't another World Mental Health Day today!
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It's a question. It has the hallmarks of a terrorist attack, sounds indiscriminate.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #7
fernandopartridge said:
It's a question. It has the hallmarks of a terrorist attack, sounds indiscriminate.
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It has more of the hallmarks of a person having a mental episode.

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hill83

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #8
fernandopartridge said:
It's a question. It has the hallmarks of a terrorist attack, sounds indiscriminate.
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David O'Day said:
It has more of the hallmarks of a person having a mental episode.
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Not too dissimilar in fairness.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #9
hill83 said:
Not too dissimilar in fairness.
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Yes, not mutually exclusive by any stretch. You could probably argue that terrorists are mentally ill regardless.
 

hill83

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  • Oct 11, 2019
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fernandopartridge said:
Yes, not mutually exclusive by any stretch. You could probably argue that terrorists are mentally ill regardless.
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That's what I was suggesting.
 

SBAndy

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #11
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Who said it was a terror attack? It's just as likely related to the fact there isn't another World Mental Health Day today!
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Counter-terrorism are leading the investigation.
 

fellatio_Martinez

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #12
This kind of thing makes me sick. It's just completely random butchery and as barbaric as it gets.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 11, 2019
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The definition of terrorism includes the requirement that "the threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause", rather than just being someone with an axe to grind or is having some kind of episode. But, sure, the ideology they espouse may well have arisen from some kind of mental illness (voices in the head, etc).
 

ccfc92

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #14
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
The definition of terrorism includes the requirement that "the threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause", rather than just being someone with an axe to grind or is having some kind of episode. But, sure, the ideology they espouse may well have arisen from some kind of mental illness (voices in the head, etc).
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That covers religion surely? "God spoke to me"
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 11, 2019
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ccfc92 said:
That covers religion surely? "God spoke to me"
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Absolutely - that was the point i was trying to make, 92! I was going to put "Allah" but thought that might be jumping to conclusions!
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 11, 2019
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Of course, a "racial cause" could be a white bloke wanting to stab people he think might be Islamic and out to do the country harm, so could still be defined as terrorism, though probably just a deluded basket case!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #17
Suspect re-arresed on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of an act of terrorism. He is black (if that matters).
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #18
David O'Day said:
It has more of the hallmarks of a person having a mental episode.

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Whereas all terrorists are known for having good mental hygiene and being very stable?
 

fellatio_Martinez

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #19
The problem with this type of thing is that it's impossible to intercept. If a group is planning an attack it's open to intelligence monitoring it but all this kind of thing needs is a kitchen knife and a nutter / radical.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 11, 2019
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fernandopartridge said:
Suspect re-arresed on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of an act of terrorism. He is black (if that matters).
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They also said in the same statement they dont know the reason for the attack. He was arrested on suspicion of terrorism during to.the nature of the attack not because they are sure it was terrorism. Let's not decide it's terrorism before the facts are out.

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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #21
If you look at the picture of him being detained, his left calf doesn't look very black to me. Does he identify as black, maybe???
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 11, 2019
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I don't think the bloke's any more a terrorist than i am (i'm not, by the way!!). He's just deranged! People jumping to so many conclusions, and the hand-wringing on Twitter is unbelievable. No-one gives a shit if "your thoughts are with those affected".
Jeee-zus!
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #23
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
If you look at the picture of him being detained, his left calf doesn't look very black to me. Does he identify as black, maybe???
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My apologies, i have seen a second photo of the incident with his face. I don't know why his leg is so pale if the face is genuine
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #24
David O'Day said:
They also said in the same statement they dont know the reason for the attack. He was arrested on suspicion of terrorism during to.the nature of the attack not because they are sure it was terrorism. Let's not decide it's terrorism before the facts are out.

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There is a question mark in the thread title
 

dancers lance

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  • Oct 11, 2019
  • #25
fernandopartridge said:
There is a question mark in the thread title
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David O'Day said:
It has more of the hallmarks of a person having a mental episode.

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What a load of shit. As if you know the "hallmarks of a person having a mental episode" I would be interested to know what "hallmarks" you picked up on that convinced you this could not be an act of terrorism? Because, most people, looking at the minute by minute facts, would have said this had all the "hallmarks" of a terrorist attack given we have suffered identical attacks against the public in the past.
 

hill83

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  • Oct 12, 2019
  • #26
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
If you look at the picture of him being detained, his left calf doesn't look very black to me. Does he identify as black, maybe???
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To be fair I'm mixed race myself but would you know that based on my profile photo? Doubt it.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 12, 2019
  • #27
hill83 said:
To be fair I'm mixed race myself but would you know that based on my profile photo? Doubt it.
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Can you post a pic of your calf?
 
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hill83

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  • Oct 12, 2019
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Nick said:
Can you post a pic of your calf?
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Nick

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  • Oct 12, 2019
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Beefy
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 12, 2019
  • #30
dancers lance said:
What a load of shit. As if you know the "hallmarks of a person having a mental episode" I would be interested to know what "hallmarks" you picked up on that convinced you this could not be an act of terrorism? Because, most people, looking at the minute by minute facts, would have said this had all the "hallmarks" of a terrorist attack given we have suffered identical attacks against the public in the past.
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In fairness the hallmarks are not mutually exclusive
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 12, 2019
  • #31
BBC reporting he's been detained under the Mental Health Act.
 

pastythegreat

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  • Oct 12, 2019
  • #32
David O'Day said:
It has more of the hallmarks of a person having a mental episode.

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What's the difference?

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David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2019
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dancers lance said:
What a load of shit. As if you know the "hallmarks of a person having a mental episode" I would be interested to know what "hallmarks" you picked up on that convinced you this could not be an act of terrorism? Because, most people, looking at the minute by minute facts, would have said this had all the "hallmarks" of a terrorist attack given we have suffered identical attacks against the public in the past.
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Well as the person has now been detained under the mental health act and the GMP have said they haven't yet found any racial, religious or political motivation it's wrong to call it a terror attack.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2019
  • #34
pastythegreat said:
What's the difference?

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The reasoning behind it
 

pastythegreat

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  • Oct 12, 2019
  • #35
David O'Day said:
Well as the person has now been detained under the mental health act and the GMP have said they haven't yet found any racial, religious or political motivation it's wrong to call it a terror attack.
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Did it create a sense of terror in Manchester? Were people in the local area who heard/seen/witnessed it scared for their own/other peoples lives?

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