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David O'Day

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  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #666
Otis said:
From a few years ago, but I see someone on Twitter has just bumped this.

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They have some lovely fans don't they.
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He's deleted his account as that always works
 
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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #667
Otis said:
Can't say I think this is the way to go. Millwall players kneel, Millwall fans boo. Next game, Millwall players don't take the knee, Millwall fans win.

Does come across a bit like that doesn't it?
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It does seem that they are letting the booing wankers win. Sounds like some players are still going to take the knee though. So the racists will still boo.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #668
Skybluefaz said:
It does seem that they are letting the booing wankers win. Sounds like some players are still going to take the knee though. So the racists will still boo.
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Okay, I wasn't aware of that.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #669
Skybluefaz said:
It does seem that they are letting the booing wankers win. Sounds like some players are still going to take the knee though. So the racists will still boo.
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Imagine telling players like Mahlon Romeo who were really cut up about the booing you value the views of racists over him one of their best players.

Horrible club, horrible fans.

Didn't they try and downplay them being caught being racist against Everton?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #670


The all lives matter argument again. They just don't get it do they.


 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #671
“Silent majority”

No Darren, you’re not the majority and we wish you were fucking silent.

UK Polling on Black Lives Matter

What questions have British polling companies asked?
anthonybmasters.medium.com
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #672
shmmeee said:
“Silent majority”

No Darren, you’re not the majority and we wish you were fucking silent.

UK Polling on Black Lives Matter

What questions have British polling companies asked?
anthonybmasters.medium.com
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Not like Rod Liddle to be talking shite
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #673
Otis said:
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The all lives matter argument again. They just don't get it do they.


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Scum fans the lot of them
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #674
So if the Millwall fans clap tonight when their players stand arm in arm against racism, what are you all going to say then?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #675
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So if the Millwall fans clap tonight when their players stand arm in arm against racism, what are you all going to say then?
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Nothing, same as there was no need to highlight all the grounds at the weekend where players were able to take the knee without being booed.

Its just a few seconds of staying silent or clapping, hardly deserve a medal for it.
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #676
'Silent majority' is another of those meaningless things morons can say to make their words feel weighty.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #677
chiefdave said:
Nothing, same as there was no need to highlight all the grounds at the weekend where players were able to take the knee without being booed.

Its just a few seconds of staying silent or clapping, hardly deserve a medal for it.
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Exactly not being a c**t is hardly praiseworthy except in the minds of cunts.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #678
ajsccfc said:
'Silent majority' is another of those meaningless things morons can say to make their words feel weighty.
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Yep and they are never silent and never the majority.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #679
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So if the Millwall fans clap tonight when their players stand arm in arm against racism, what are you all going to say then?
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You reckon your boys will observe it in that manner?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #680
Skybluefaz said:
You reckon your boys will observe it in that manner?
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Please explain why they are my boys.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #681
chiefdave said:
Nothing, same as there was no need to highlight all the grounds at the weekend where players were able to take the knee without being booed.

Its just a few seconds of staying silent or clapping, hardly deserve a medal for it.
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Surely though, that disproves that they were booing because they hate black people then? Rather maybe, that the message has been put across, or interpreted as something other than equal rights for all races.

I get the impression some people just want to call everyone racist because they cannot hack that there is a different opinion to them when it comes to activism.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #682
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Surely though, that disproves that they were booing because they hate black people then? Rather maybe, that the message has been put across, or interpreted as something other than equal rights for all races.

I get the impression some people just want to call everyone racist because they cannot hack that there is a different opinion to them when it comes to activism.
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Millwall have a long checkered history associated with their fans though haven't they.
 
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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #683
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Please explain why they are my boys.
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Because they get upset by the phrase Black Lives Matter. Do you think they will applaud it?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #684
Bottom line is, this was clearly pre-arranged and then players actually came out and released a statement before the game, to say they would be taking the knee with no political agenda behind it at all and it would be only on the grounds of discrimination.

And yet the fans still booed anyway.

Why are the decent Millwall fans out there thoroughly ashamed of what happened?
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #685
Millwall have always had more than their fair share of racists. Anyone remember the Full Members Cup game at HR in the 80s? There was a really small crowd, around two thousand, so even fewer away fans, but you could hear the monkey chants for most of the game. Shameful.

THe club have persuaded the players to link arms tonight, not in a show of solidarity, but just to appease their racist base, as long as they don't kneel, there won't be any booing and so no negative publicity. Shameful episode.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #686
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Surely though, that disproves that they were booing because they hate black people then? Rather maybe, that the message has been put across, or interpreted as something other than equal rights for all races.

I get the impression some people just want to call everyone racist because they cannot hack that there is a different opinion to them when it comes to activism.
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Looking at it objectively what do you think is more likely?

Scenario A
Fans of a club with a history of issues with racism, whose board were concerned enough about the potential response to their players taking a knee they issued a statement in advance stating it wasn't political and wasn't in support of BLM, were being racist when booing players taking the knee.

Scenario B
Millwall fans have a nuanced political view on 21st century Marxism, shared by large numbers of their supporters, and all decided to express that view by booing which coincidentally happened at the same time their players were making a gesture against racism.

I know which one I'd be putting my money on.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #687
You can see how it looks.

"We will be taking the knee in support of anti-discrimination only"

And the fans loudly boo.

 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #688
torchomatic said:
Millwall have always had more than their fair share of racists. Anyone remember the Full Members Cup game at HR in the 80s? There was a really small crowd, around two thousand, so even fewer away fans, but you could hear the monkey chants for most of the game. Shameful.

THe club have persuaded the players to link arms tonight, not in a show of solidarity, but just to appease their racist base, as long as they don't kneel, there won't be any booing and so no negative publicity. Shameful episode.
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yeah but the city team was full of marxists
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #689
clint van damme said:
yeah but the city team was full of marxists
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I feel obliged to share this again.

 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #690
chiefdave said:
Looking at it objectively what do you think is more likely?

Scenario A
Fans of a club with a history of issues with racism, whose board were concerned enough about the potential response to their players taking a knee they issued a statement in advance stating it wasn't political and wasn't in support of BLM, were being racist when booing players taking the knee.

Scenario B
Millwall fans have a nuanced political view on 21st century Marxism, shared by large numbers of their supporters, and all decided to express that view by booing which coincidentally happened at the same time their players were making a gesture against racism.

I know which one I'd be putting my money on.
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Pardon the pun, but it isn't as black and white as that.

Some Millwall fans are racist. Fact.
Some Millwall fans are not racist. Fact.

Many people from both categories do not agree with the divisive BLM message. Fact.

If tonight there is solidarity with the gesture, then you can be sure as shit that it is the activism and agenda of BLM which is the problem, not that everyone who booed the other day is a racist.

You cannot just force everyone to support BLM. It doesn't work like that. I know a lot of people on here don't like to admit it, but that whole campaign has been divisive as hell. Not for the right reasons either.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #691
Skybluefaz said:
Because they get upset by the phrase Black Lives Matter. Do you think they will applaud it?
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What has that got to do with me? A huge amount of people have an issue with the agenda behind that. I'm just stating what a lot of people on here don't seem to be able to understand.

If it was a case of equal rights for all races and kicking out discrimination then I would seriously doubt you would get any booing.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #692
Otis said:
Millwall have a long checkered history associated with their fans though haven't they.
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I said in one of my first posts on this thread that their fans have a lot of scum. I'm sure some people that did boo are racists, but that isn't the point I'm trying to make. The point is that the whole BLM concept has sent race relations backwards. It hasn't united people at all.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #693
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What has that got to do with me? A huge amount of people have an issue with the agenda behind that. I'm just stating what a lot of people on here don't seem to be able to understand.

If it was a case of equal rights for all races and kicking out discrimination then I would seriously doubt you would get any booing.
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You understand the viewpoint of the people that boo more as you've expressed opinions that align with them on here and I'm interested to hear whether you think they will boo or not. It is a case of equal rights for all races and kicking out discrimination.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #694
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If tonight there is solidarity with the gesture, then you can be sure as shit that it is the activism and agenda of BLM which is the problem, not that everyone who booed the other day is a racist.
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How have you come to that conclusion? Millwall released a statement before the last game explicity stating they weren't taking the knee in support of BLM, something I don't think any other club had to do.
We wish to make clear that taking the knee, for us, is in no way representative of any agreement with political messaging or ideology. It is purely about tackling discrimination, as has been the case throughout.
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If you think the booing was for reasons other than racism you might want to take a look at the responses from their fans to that statement. Or the responses from their fans to what happened at the weekend.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #695
Why do racists always think that the majority of people think like them when all evidence says that the majority of people don't?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #696
David O'Day said:
Why do racists always think that the majority of people think like them when all evidence says that the majority of people don't?
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Yeah but according to you everybody is pretty much racist so surely that means "your" majority do?
 
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TomRad85

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  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #697
Nick said:
Yeah but according to you everybody is pretty much racist so surely that means "your" majority do?
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Got to love it when that IRA loving Internet bully tries to take a moral high ground on anything. Laughable.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #698
I’m curious how deep this seriously held issue with Marxist critique is with the Millwall fans. Do they boo fan owned clubs? Do they insist their club doesn’t accept the PL solidarity payments?

Is it all socialism? Do they boo players who set a team mate up rather than shoot? Are they only happy with wins on penalties as anything else was an affront to individualism?
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #699
Skybluefaz said:
You understand the viewpoint of the people that boo more as you've expressed opinions that align with them on here and I'm interested to hear whether you think they will boo or not. It is a case of equal rights for all races and kicking out discrimination.
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BLM is not that whatsoever. It is a divisive piece of activism that has done nothing but set race relations back.

Black Lives Matter has increased racial tension, 55% say in UK poll

Organisers of BLM say findings show movement has exposed pre-existing fault lines
www.theguardian.com

I suppose everyone in that poll is racist too?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 8, 2020
  • #700
David O'Day said:
Why do racists always think that the majority of people think like them when all evidence says that the majority of people don't?
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That's why they coin the term 'silent majority'. No evidence that people think like them so they just take it that there are loads of people too scared to say what they truly think and agree with the general consensus to fit in.

When the simplest and most likely explanation is that they just don't think like you.
 
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