Take the knee (1 Viewer)

hill83 · Dec 7, 2020

Astute said:
Racism is what we talk about the most after football. What he sees as a racist remark doesn't register as racism by many.

Essentially what I’ve been saying for years. It’s everywhere, it’s constant. It’s even from members of my own family. I’ve given up with the “by the way I’m part black myself” talk every time I hear stuff in the pub etc because can’t be arsed any more. And with shite you hear watching football in the pub for the knee stuff, I’ve taken to going for a piss at the start of the match. I’m dreading going to games if it’s still happening by then.

I hate this thread. I try to not read it or post in them but I’ll make this last exception. It really puts me off using the forum.

Jamesimus · Dec 7, 2020

Can't really have a few Millwall racists booing and then stop doing it can we?

jimmyhillsfanclub · Dec 7, 2020

Jamesimus said:
Can't really have a few Millwall racists booing and then stop doing it can we?

Well, I'll agree Millwall can't now......they're scummy racist fan base have ensured they will have to keep up the platitude for a few more games atleast....

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 7, 2020

David O'Day said:
No they are not as explained to you at great detail.

Even the NFL athlete who said that’s what it meant to him?

Jamesimus · Dec 7, 2020

hill83 said:
Essentially what I’ve been saying for years. It’s everywhere, it’s constant. It’s even from members of my own family. I’ve given up with the “by the way I’m part black myself” talk every time I hear stuff in the pub etc because can’t be arsed any more. And with shite you hear watching football in the pub for the knee stuff, I’ve taken to going for a piss at the start of the match. I’m dreading going to games if it’s still happening by then.

I hate this thread. I try to not read it or post in them but I’ll make this last exception. It really puts me off using the forum.

Shite that you are made to feel like that. I think there are people in the thread who do give a shit and want to be a part of changing things.

David O'Day · Dec 7, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Even the NFL athlete who said that’s what it meant to him?

And? You seem to be under the impression that everybody who does a raised fist salute does it for the same reason.

As explained to you it is in wide usage for other reasons and most people who do it in these protests are simply doing it because they have seen a picture of 2 men who have said they were not doing a black power salute give the raised fist salute.

It's a weird argument you have going on there;

Jamesimus · Dec 7, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Even the NFL athlete who said that’s what it meant to him?

Even if a you see the gesture as being a Black Power fist, does this concern you more than the reason the Black Power movement existed in the first instance?

Liquid Gold · Dec 7, 2020

hill83 said:
Essentially what I’ve been saying for years. It’s everywhere, it’s constant. It’s even from members of my own family. I’ve given up with the “by the way I’m part black myself” talk every time I hear stuff in the pub etc because can’t be arsed any more. And with shite you hear watching football in the pub for the knee stuff, I’ve taken to going for a piss at the start of the match. I’m dreading going to games if it’s still happening by then.

I hate this thread. I try to not read it or post in them but I’ll make this last exception. It really puts me off using the forum.

What can be done if fans boo at one of our games though. Are we able to request that the club ban a minority doing it and if it ends up as a majority doing it walking out and requesting a refund on your season ticket?

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 7, 2020

Jamesimus said:
Even if a you see the gesture as being a Black Power fist, does this concern you more than the reason the Black Power movement existed in the first instance?

I understand why it came about, I just disagreed with the idea of violent protest. That is understandable right?

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 7, 2020

David O'Day said:
And? You seem to be under the impression that everybody who does a raised fist salute does it for the same reason.

As explained to you it is in wide usage for other reasons and most people who do it in these protests are simply doing it because they have seen a picture of 2 men who have said they were not doing a black power salute give the raised fist salute.

It's a weird argument you have going on there;

I also never said that. My original objection was due to its historical association with a movement distinct from non violent protest. That hasn’t really been disproven.

Jamesimus · Dec 7, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I understand why it came about, I just disagreed with the idea of violent protest. That is understandable right?

Some people might be able to understand it. Not sure I'd feel the same in that situation

hill83 · Dec 7, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
What can be done if fans boo at one of our games though. Are we able to request that the club ban a minority doing it and if it ends up as a majority doing it walking out and requesting a refund on your season ticket?

Fuck all. I’ll call a few people cunts if I’ve had a beer and hear them nearby then watch the match.

It’s a never ending losing battle.

clint van damme · Dec 7, 2020

hill83 said:
Essentially what I’ve been saying for years. It’s everywhere, it’s constant. It’s even from members of my own family. I’ve given up with the “by the way I’m part black myself” talk every time I hear stuff in the pub etc because can’t be arsed any more. And with shite you hear watching football in the pub for the knee stuff, I’ve taken to going for a piss at the start of the match. I’m dreading going to games if it’s still happening by then.

I hate this thread. I try to not read it or post in them but I’ll make this last exception. It really puts me off using the forum.

it's fucking ridiculous that in 2021 you're still dealing with this shit.

Liquid Gold · Dec 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
it's fucking ridiculous that in 2021 you're still dealing with this shit.

It's just as ridiculous that the smallest gesture in defiance of it is too much and has to come to an end according to the same middle aged white blokes.

very little of this thread has been about listening to what black people think would improve things and just arguing over Marxism or the black power salute.

David O'Day · Dec 7, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I also never said that. My original objection was due to its historical association with a movement distinct from non violent protest. That hasn’t really been disproven.

only it has many times hence your trying to reposition your argument

we're done here really

David O'Day · Dec 7, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 7, 2020

David O'Day said:
only it has many times hence your trying to reposition your argument

we're done here really

It hasn’t but yes let’s leave it there.

shmmeee · Dec 7, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Les Ferdinand was correct over 2 months ago when he defended QPR for not taking the knee against City....I think all the clubs should bin it off now....if individual players wish to do so before KO, then thats all fine & dandy......but as a team thing, it all looks so half-hearted, half-arsed....just going through the motions....it now appears as nothing more than a yet another tick-box PR platitude.

So if say Dabo, Baka and McCallum say it matters to them and as a team the rest decide to support that what should happen? Cos I expect that’s the actual situation across most clubs. Otherwise who do you think is forcing these players to do it against their wishes?

David O'Day · Dec 7, 2020

Colchester will give any racist pricks their money back

jimmyhillsfanclub · Dec 7, 2020

shmmeee said:
So if say Dabo, Baka and McCallum say it matters to them and as a team the rest decide to support that what should happen? Cos I expect that’s the actual situation across most clubs. Otherwise who do you think is forcing these players to do it against their wishes?

Well, thats fine then. Take the knee. I just get the impression that many are just going through the motions, which kind of cheapens or almost trivialises the cause....."nothing more than good PR".
I don't believe anyone is being forced to take the knee against their wishes, but I suspect there maybe those that feel the social pressure not to raise the issue.

I agree with Les.

shmmeee · Dec 7, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Well, thats fine then. Take the knee. I just get the impression that many are just going through the motions, which kind of cheapens or almost trivialises the cause....."nothing more than good PR".
I don't believe anyone is being forced to take the knee against their wishes, but I suspect there maybe those that feel the social pressure not to raise the issue.

I agree with Les.

I think it should be up to each team to decide as a team and the fans should support it either way TBH.

Liquid Gold · Dec 7, 2020

Fair fucks to him. Also the same bullshit about 'ma freedum av speeetch', it's a the owners stadium he can do what he likes in it. You still as free as a bird to sit at home and boo them on ifollow. Just the same as you can call my wife a bitch as much as you like at your own home but there will be consequences if you do it round mine.

Liquid Gold · Dec 7, 2020

shmmeee said:
I think it should be up to each team to decide as a team and the fans should support it either way TBH.

Which seems to be what is happening but they are generally deciding to do it. Then football twitter decides it's the ghost of Chairman Mao sitting on their shoulders.

David O'Day · Dec 7, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
Fair fucks to him. Also the same bullshit about 'ma freedum av speeetch', it's a the owners stadium he can do what he likes in it. You still as free as a bird to sit at home and boo them on ifollow. Just the same as you can call my wife a bitch as much as you like at your own home but there will be consequences if you do it round mine.

It's like pubs and clubs, people don't have a right to be let in anywhere. Owners set the rules and it's not different to being blanked for wearing trainers.

Liquid Gold · Dec 7, 2020

Millwall fans man

Macca · Dec 7, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
Millwall fans man

Jesus wept

chiefdave · Dec 7, 2020

I think I must be missing something. How is Millwall and QPR not taking the knee in their game this week a positive thing? The press release makes out they're doing it as an anti-racism gesture.

Seems to me more a case of knowing the booing will be repeated and not being prepared to deal with it.

Liquid Gold · Dec 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
I think I must be missing something. How is Millwall and QPR not taking the knee in their game this week a positive thing? The press release makes out they're doing it as an anti-racism gesture.

Seems to me more a case of knowing the booing will be repeated and not being prepared to deal with it.

Some QPR players, who haven't been kneeling for most of the season, are going to kneel on Saturday. See how that goes.

Nick · Dec 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
I think I must be missing something. How is Millwall and QPR not taking the knee in their game this week a positive thing? The press release makes out they're doing it as an anti-racism gesture.

Seems to me more a case of knowing the booing will be repeated and not being prepared to deal with it.

QPR dont take the knee either.

Macca · Dec 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
I think I must be missing something. How is Millwall and QPR not taking the knee in their game this week a positive thing? The press release makes out they're doing it as an anti-racism gesture.

Seems to me more a case of knowing the booing will be repeated and not being prepared to deal with it.

Maybe it calls some people’s bluff. Can’t really argue with kick racism out.....or can they

Macca · Dec 7, 2020

hill83 said:
Essentially what I’ve been saying for years. It’s everywhere, it’s constant. It’s even from members of my own family. I’ve given up with the “by the way I’m part black myself” talk every time I hear stuff in the pub etc because can’t be arsed any more. And with shite you hear watching football in the pub for the knee stuff, I’ve taken to going for a piss at the start of the match. I’m dreading going to games if it’s still happening by then.

I hate this thread. I try to not read it or post in them but I’ll make this last exception. It really puts me off using the forum.

I know it means very little but I am ashamed on behalf of every one of these “humans”

chiefdave · Dec 7, 2020

Nick said:
QPR dont take the knee either.

But they haven't done it all season, Millwall have and now they're stopping after their fans booed while missing a press release making it its an anti-racism stance.

clint van damme · Dec 8, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
Millwall fans man

World renown symbols of anti Marxism!

Otis · Dec 8, 2020

Can't say I think this is the way to go. Millwall players kneel, Millwall fans boo. Next game, Millwall players don't take the knee, Millwall fans win.

Does come across a bit like that doesn't it?

Otis · Dec 8, 2020

From a few years ago, but I see someone on Twitter has just bumped this.

They have some lovely fans don't they.

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