Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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As did western use of it. If you know where to look in the cathedral ruins you'll see swastikas.
But that's different to the perception of it here and in much of the western world.
You see versions of it all around Asia. The use predates the Nazis and is a symbol of good luck in many Asian religions and culture.
The real question is what if a player refused to do it?
No. I think it makes it a Black Panther Party salute
Plenty have. Nothings happened.
We are going off on tangent again.
I just wonder, if this was the City and the players had released the same statement the day before the game, how many of our fans would have booed?
For one, I don't think there would have been any organised protest and too, if anyone did, you would barely hear them.
I know they said it was just a minority yesterday, but it was awfully loud. It was definitely a lot more than a handful.
I do think if our players came out in solidarity over it, the fans would at least respect it here.
Exactly.I sincerely hope we wouldn’t be like them, especially if the players released a statement saying they are not aligned with any organisation and are just showing their support for racial equality.
Didn’t take that roaster too long to get involved with his low hanging fruit
I heard you're now banned from Millsys as you pissed yourself last time you were in there? It was only half 5 as well they tell me.
That walk of shame back to the spon end flats must of been a treat for you.
Minority??This forum has an array of characters, but you seem to be in a special minority that manages to embarras themselves nearly every time they post something.
This forum has an array of characters, but you seem to be in a special minority that manages to embarras themselves nearly every time they post something.
Didn’t take that roaster too long to get involved with his low hanging fruit
Exactly what astute says here, Kazim Richards standing doing the black power salute is not what black lives matter stands for. Millwall fans were being racist, not for the first time, but for the movement to stay relevant, and to make a difference, every player should take the knee and not confuse the issue.The difference for me is one player has gone on one knee and raised an arm. The other has stood up and raised an arm.
The idea was that all players are supposed to go on one knee. Solidarity from all involved. Saying we are all the same. If a white player stood alone he would get slaughtered. A black player stands alone and he gets defended and even praised by some.
I don't have a problem with it myself. But those who do have a problem with it are given plenty of ammunition. At least it brings it back into the spotlight as it has now become something that just happens and not something thought provoking.
Exactly what astute says here, Kazim Richards standing doing the black power salute is not what black lives matter stands for. Millwall fans were being racist, not for the first time, but for the movement to stay relevant, and to make a difference, every player should take the knee and not confuse the issue.
I think this has gone straight over your head.I kind of understand what you're saying in confusing the message (hey, some people seem easily confused by it!), but I don't think it's really up to us to dictate the behaviour of people this effects.
But if some take the knee, some stand up, some stand up and do the fist, what if someone else decides to stand as if in chains, someone else decides to lie down, someone else decides to stand and cross their arms as if they are dead?I kind of understand what you're saying in confusing the message (hey, some people seem easily confused by it!), but I don't think it's really up to us to dictate the behaviour of people this effects.
Plenty have. Nothings happened.
I think this has gone straight over your head.
It is the perceived angle. It is the hidden racism being aimed at. It is the racism in people that they sometimes don't even notice they have.
The message is supposed to be we are all the same. All on one knee together. Then we have one other towering above all others doing some sort of salute which is down to debate on its meaning. It distracts from the point being made and gives ammunition to those who want it. It is nothing to do with dictating to those who suffer from the effects of racism.
Since moving to where I now live I have seen another angle of racism. At first I couldn't believe how open people were. Got into a fair few debates and arguments. Then I met a black person. Ends up he was the first black person in the area we know of. The next were his kids. The first time we were in a pub together someone came up to us and asked him where he was visiting from. Racism is what we talk about the most after football. What he sees as a racist remark doesn't register as racism by many.
Things are much better here now but we have a long way to go still. The message needs to be we are all the same. And there is one good reason for this. We are.
I guess Tony is wrong as he thinks the black glove makes it a Black Power salute. Who is right about what Black Power can mean as a slogan, DOD or MLK?
That's how he intended it. It doesn't mean it hasn't been hijacked and the message altered in the meantime. As I said before the Swastika is a symbol of peace. Given Coventry is a city of peace and reconciliation should we start putting swastika's up around the place? Or do you think Hitler and neo-Nazi's using it for other means might have a bit of an effect on how people view it?
The guys who wore the glove at the Olympic s said they did it as a spontaneous act as they did not want to shake hands with the guy who headed the Olympic committee due to racist behaviour in his past. Still big Tone knows better than the people who did the salute
There was a few of the England Rugby team who didn't yesterday.
Millwall previously didn’t take the knee this season and FA was said more than a passing comment. Other teams haven’t also.Without a press meltdown as soon as a footballer makes the same choice all hell will break loose.
I think this has gone straight over your head.
It is the perceived angle. It is the hidden racism being aimed at. It is the racism in people that they sometimes don't even notice they have.
The message is supposed to be we are all the same. All on one knee together. Then we have one other towering above all others doing some sort of salute which is down to debate on its meaning. It distracts from the point being made and gives ammunition to those who want it. It is nothing to do with dictating to those who suffer from the effects of racism.
Since moving to where I now live I have seen another angle of racism. At first I couldn't believe how open people were. Got into a fair few debates and arguments. Then I met a black person. Ends up he was the first black person in the area we know of. The next were his kids. The first time we were in a pub together someone came up to us and asked him where he was visiting from. Racism is what we talk about the most after football. What he sees as a racist remark doesn't register as racism by many.
Things are much better here now but we have a long way to go still. The message needs to be we are all the same. And there is one good reason for this. We are.
Without a press meltdown as soon as a footballer makes the same choice all hell will break loose.
Exactly.
You can actually see one or two of the Millwall players looking towards the stands rather baffled.
I'm talking about the man who they are copying when doing the raised fist salute.
Why are you doing this weird flex again were you start to argue about something completely different? I have not talked and am not talking about the slogan black power.
Will be interesting to
The slogan and gesture are about the same thing, no weird flexing going on.
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