Grendel
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The real question is what if a player refused to do it?
This is a genuine question, maybe naive. If a black power salute is OK then what happens if a player did a white power one?
How do you think it feels to Dabo and Rashford?
Or should we wait to hear from them until we’re done with your feelings first?
They of course should be allowed to. The main problem I have with this incident yesterday is that the players came out on Friday and issued a statement and said that for them it wasn't a political statement at all and just a stance against discrimination.The real question is what if a player refused to do it?
It is, why did it start before games?
I have absolutely no issue with asking for equality, likewise the rainbow laces, captains armbands, corner flags etc.
However, if it was rainbow equality every week then it would lose it's focus wouldn't it?
This is a genuine question, maybe naive. If a black power salute is OK then what happens if a player did a white power one?
Maybe he’s as uneducated in it as you. The two athletes from the 68 he referenced when talking about it wore black gloves, they also wore black socks and no shoes. Don’t think Lewis did that either.
Can you ever write something without being a sarcy twat?
It is, why did it start before games?
I have absolutely no issue with asking for equality, likewise the rainbow laces, captains armbands, corner flags etc.
However, if it was rainbow equality every week then it would lose it's focus wouldn't it?
This is a genuine question, maybe naive. If a black power salute is OK then what happens if a player did a white power one?
You realise the Millwall players released a statement last night saying very clearly that it has never had anything to do with politics? First Team squad release statement
Let's not do the white power vs black power thing now. I'm guessing you know the difference between the two movements, and who gets affected by them, and neither of those movements are even the issue here.
You can disagree with it without booing to be fair. Unless it is referees and opposition players, they deserve the abuse.
Just answer the question and stop whining about having your feelings hurt, plenty of other people on here seem capable of having the conversation.
I feel like the BLM thing is just a convenient excuse to be a racist. Look at the fucking sainsburys advert. Are people going to claim the dude was making Marxist Gravy and that's why they were all saying they were going to boycott Sainsbury's?I don't agree with the booing either way whether the players had said that or not.
The whole thing with it being "BLM" is the issue for a lot of people I'd guess as it is political and it's really hard to separate it.
If it had been something else like the Kick it Out Campaign before every game I'd guess the opposition to it would have been a lot less.
It's like me saying I am going to Nazi Salute later on but it's not political, I am just remembering those lost in the war.
There's no getting away from it, it very much is a political statement.
I don't agree with the booing either way whether the players had said that or not.
The whole thing with it being "BLM" is the issue for a lot of people I'd guess as it is political and it's really hard to separate it.
If it had been something else like the Kick it Out Campaign before every game I'd guess the opposition to it would have been a lot less.
It's like me saying I am going to Nazi Salute later on but it's not political, I am just remembering those lost in the war.
There's no getting away from it, it very much is a political statement.
I feel like the BLM thing is just a convenient excuse to be a racist. Look at the fucking sainsburys advert. Are people going to claim the dude was making Marxist Gravy and that's why they were all saying they were going to boycott Sainsbury's?
I don't agree with the booing either way whether the players had said that or not.
The whole thing with it being "BLM" is the issue for a lot of people I'd guess as it is political and it's really hard to separate it.
If it had been something else like the Kick it Out Campaign before every game I'd guess the opposition to it would have been a lot less.
It's like me saying I am going to Nazi Salute later on but it's not political, I am just remembering those lost in the war.
There's no getting away from it, it very much is a political statement.
More sarcy crap rather than trying to inform.
Well the Millwall fans also have a song for that unfortunately.I said it at the time there should be a campaign but not about politics that BLM was about as it would then always be linked with that political movement.
I'm more offended by the scouse Sainsburys advert.
It's not really hard to separate it. I've seen football fans attack police officers and spew political nonsense before, but it's quite easy to separate them from the normal, peaceful majority. Unless I had a grudge, of course. And again - the guys protesting are literally telling you that it's not a political statement. If you're still struggling to separate it, let that help you!
And c'mon man....a Nazi salute analogy?
Because if you’re accusing people of being racist who aren’t then yes they’ll get pissed off. Inform me rather than take the piss and you might get somewhere. Black power used to be a slogan for violent protest-at what point in history did it stop being that?
Yeah but if I was doing a nazi salute I'd be telling you it's nothing to do with Hitler so that means it isn't, right? Surely as I am telling you that something I am doing isn't linked or political then it means it isn't??
Your Hitler argument would be in spectacularly bad faith, so yeah, I'd feel quite comfortable not comparing it with this.
Your Hitler argument would be in spectacularly bad faith, so yeah, I'd feel quite comfortable not comparing it with this.
I'd be saying it wasn't political or linked though so it wouldn't be. That's how it works.
Well I can think of one footballer who may have done just that some 20 years ago
Why not give it a go and see if people agree! Personally I feel more comfortable defending the right to kneel than I do defending the right to give Nazi salutes.
No need, Les Sealey isn't here to defend himself!
WTF. What’s scary about that? Plus I gave you two facts. The athletes that Lewis Hamilton referenced while talking about it wore no shoes and black socks as well as the black gloves. Both were done deliberately as two different symbols. Lewis did neither.More sarcy crap rather than trying to inform.
Di Canio?Well I can think of one footballer who may have done just that some 20 years ago
Lol not him - that right arm would have been out in full force
WTF. What’s scary about that? Plus I gave you two facts. The athletes that Lewis Hamilton referenced while talking about it wore no shoes and black socks as well as the black gloves. Both were done deliberately as two different symbols. Lewis did neither.
I am just using your logic.
Personally I don't think theres a place for political things. The issue was when it all started Sky etc were too quick to jump on it without realising it was political.
Absolutely nothing wrong with things like rainbow laces, kick it out etc and sending out messages about anti racism etc.
That says otherwise though.
He said he isn't racist so surely we just accept that?
I made that post in jest but then thought actually, that could be who Grendels referring to!
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