Grendel
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Easy to say impossible to prove -- relegation will be Thorn's achievement. Then we can get rid of him. One things for sure this bloke will never be a manager again.
Surely time for change? (4 Viewers)
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Easy to say impossible to prove -- relegation will be Thorn's achievement. Then we can get rid of him. One things for sure this bloke will never be a manager again.
stupot07
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And conversely, it's impossible to say that we are getting relegated because of Thorn management not the fact that our playing squad isn't good enough
stupot07
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he probably has, unfortunately he only manages to play 25% of the games. The thing is you need 2 or 3 of them to make an impact.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Nice theory on SISU but then what would they do? Try and sabotage the team again if it looks like we will be promoted back to the championship?
stupot07
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I know, and as they say games are won and lost in midfield - and we have no fighters in there.
rob9872
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The owners aren't good enough
The board aren't good enough
The manager isn't good enough
The squad isn't good enough
The team isn't good enough
The support isn't good enough
Get over it, we're proper f***ed and there is only one way we're going. The quicker we all accept it, the more freedom we'll experience and we can enjoy the performances and points that we do get, but a change at any level I fear including board, will not be enough to save us this season. I also think we will lose what talent we have. won't see any investment and will soon find our new level struggling in the league below - it's just simply what we do!
The board aren't good enough
The manager isn't good enough
The squad isn't good enough
The team isn't good enough
The support isn't good enough
Get over it, we're proper f***ed and there is only one way we're going. The quicker we all accept it, the more freedom we'll experience and we can enjoy the performances and points that we do get, but a change at any level I fear including board, will not be enough to save us this season. I also think we will lose what talent we have. won't see any investment and will soon find our new level struggling in the league below - it's just simply what we do!
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I am already relishing the prospect of actually winning a few games and achieving mid table mediocrity next season in league 1.
Was thinking of starting a thread on this the other day Rob ,would it be better to admit it ,take the pressure out of the situation ,off the manager if there is any ,rest the kids as and when we need to ,while developing them ,keep them out of sight of other clubs ,and prepare for next year ,instead of the pretence we're living under.
Paxman II
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Nice to know you have all given up so easily. Where's the Dunkirk spirit?!
There's time and games a plenty. They may not be with AT in control but the turnaround when it comes will be great to watch and a real crowd pleaser.
What I don't understand is that the game promised much after 10 minutes...an equaliser from the new 'saviour' and then on the back of that i expected a real lift in spirit and endeavour. It never happened. I just can't understand that. AT or Harrison are at fault...still trying to work out which set of instructions the players are following?
Change may be a necessity soon...
There's time and games a plenty. They may not be with AT in control but the turnaround when it comes will be great to watch and a real crowd pleaser.
What I don't understand is that the game promised much after 10 minutes...an equaliser from the new 'saviour' and then on the back of that i expected a real lift in spirit and endeavour. It never happened. I just can't understand that. AT or Harrison are at fault...still trying to work out which set of instructions the players are following?
Change may be a necessity soon...
Fergie or Wenger would struggle to work with this current squad and these owners, Sisu have done everything on the cheap and that is why we are where we are now...This includes hiring AT who many think now is out of his depth but instead of looking at AT to blame lets ask KD if he thinks hiring AT is still a master stroke!!!!!!!
Colonel Mustard
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As I remember it, it was heavy fan lobbying that secured AT the job.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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We could use some of that Newcastle work ethic and spirit in our side at the moment.
georgehudson
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just for 1 moment put yourself in AT's place,
you've previously identified important players, dann, fox, westwood, gunnarsson, etc., etc., etc., etc.,
they've signed, & then the carpet/rug is continually pulled from under you,
you ask to progress the situation,
there's an old phrase about 'an organ grinder & a monkey',
get real SISU
you've previously identified important players, dann, fox, westwood, gunnarsson, etc., etc., etc., etc.,
they've signed, & then the carpet/rug is continually pulled from under you,
you ask to progress the situation,
there's an old phrase about 'an organ grinder & a monkey',
get real SISU
Grendel
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Why doesn't he quit then?
rob9872
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Grendel
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Another thing that really irritates me about Thorn supporters is they dig out the same tired old rubbish about his scouting prowess by quoting the few succesful signings in the last few years and put these down to him. By that argument I assume he scouted virtually ALL the players on the pitch today and signed McDonald and Murphy. So this squad of superbly scouted players are unable to muster more than 12 points this season. I even heard some idiot on CWR say King was a scouting success of Thorn. Where did he scout him? Wormwood Scrubs - ridiculous.
georgehudson
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sisu are probably smirking @ the moment that the heat has been deflected away from themselves,
yeah wasn't us, the manager just couldn't cut it,
AT may have his limitations,
but then it took SIR ALEX 13 goalkeeping attempts between schmeichel & van der saar,
will it take sisu 13 managers ?
yeah wasn't us, the manager just couldn't cut it,
AT may have his limitations,
but then it took SIR ALEX 13 goalkeeping attempts between schmeichel & van der saar,
will it take sisu 13 managers ?
Grendel
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Dunno but Thorn is smirking as he knows that the only hope he has of staying as manager is them staying as a board. Who else would have even considered him? He has the easiest job in the world. He has the worst win ratio in the club's history and people still back him.
Gaz
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Do you really think the majority of fans are not on Thorn's back because of some other reason other than football ???
georgehudson
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sisu will be loving this,
yeah we'll dispose of,
oops, we don't have err, a plan (not one we can advertise though),
prospective new managerial candidates ?
ah yes, well erm, err,
let's get onye to go public,
SAVE OUR SKY BLUES
yeah we'll dispose of,
oops, we don't have err, a plan (not one we can advertise though),
prospective new managerial candidates ?
ah yes, well erm, err,
let's get onye to go public,
SAVE OUR SKY BLUES
Grendel
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Of course. He is seen as the light at the end of the SISU tunnel. A misguided notion but very obviously a fact. No other manager would be given any support by now with his record. I question majority now by the way. When I first questioned his suitability I had very few supporters. That has changed. Did you listen to CWR? I have never heard so many callers (not just texters) saying he has to go and go now.
Gaz
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Funnily though most callers into radio shows calling for him to go are the ones who just listen to the games and dont watch the games for themselves.
Whenever I'm home or away I can say with confidence that the majority are behind AT.
They like me realise that he is fighting a real up hill battle with a squad of players who are not good enough for this league.
If Andy had the same amount of money that Reid, Dowie or Coleman had then yes more fans would be on AT's case.
But he hasn't has he ?
If the Barcelona board got shot of Valdes, Pique,Messi, & David Villa, and then told pep guardiola he could have any cash to replace them
Would it then be ok to blame the manager for not getting the sane standard of results ???
Whenever I'm home or away I can say with confidence that the majority are behind AT.
They like me realise that he is fighting a real up hill battle with a squad of players who are not good enough for this league.
If Andy had the same amount of money that Reid, Dowie or Coleman had then yes more fans would be on AT's case.
But he hasn't has he ?
If the Barcelona board got shot of Valdes, Pique,Messi, & David Villa, and then told pep guardiola he could have any cash to replace them
Would it then be ok to blame the manager for not getting the sane standard of results ???
Nonleagueherewecome
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Agreed Tankie, I've been saying all season that I think they've "done their math" and worked out that they'll lose less in L1 with a squad stripped bare of a wage budget. Once they'd given up on promotion, they've decided to go the whole hog and invest zilch. Possibly even charge us interest.
Strip back all costs and overheads to a bare minimum, regardless of market place performance, because "on paper" it's a better performing business and can then be sold for profit. IT'S WHAT THESE HEDGE FUNDS DO!
Nonleagueherewecome
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He's already proven himself to me by what he did last season. That was still by no means the best squad we've had since relegation-indeed, we were heading for L1 fast even with King, Westwood and Aron. Yet he had us playing the best football I've seen in years. I know what he can do with even just a bit of quality. Other fans can argue he did nothing last year-sorry, I saw every single home game last season, and you will never alter my views that a side that was terrible was turned into a side that was entertaining and effective by Andy Thorn. If it wasn't for him, we would already be in L1. I don't want to lose him.
He also has my trust entirely as for the vast part I've agreed with what he's said-much less so in the past 5 or 6 post-match interviews, but then they're not really the place to judge a man. Most of what he's said I can understand why he's said it, even if I don't agree with it: things aren't that simple. You won't get a clear view from those situations-he probably knows we were appalling, but equally that his priority now will be to get players chins up. That's been the case for a while, and he did it over the international break. Coming out and saying "that was a disgrace and the fans deserve better" would just hammer team morale even further. Instead it's almost an exercise in damage-limitation and putting a positive spin on things. If we're feeling as bad as we are, can you imagine how the players feel? And AT must feel like shit too. Well I can tell you as someone who has been in difficult positions as a leader that you can't be depressive-you have to be the one dragging people up, maintaining positivity no matter how bleak the situation. Credit to Thorn for not giving up-he's taking one hell of a lot of shit that isn't his fault, and a lot of it is from people who are too caught up in emotion to think about the reality of the situation and what Thorn has to say in public.
Nonleagueherewecome
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EXACTLY. Let it go! I did in July. At least I can enjoy those tiny little moments of joy, like Platt's goal against WH, as much as I could our odd consolation goal in a 6-1 defeat by the likes of Arsenal in the top flight days! We are more an underdog now in this division than we ever were in the top flight. Even Scunthorpe last season at least had a bit of class with that Nunez lad from Leeds on loan! We are the worst squad in the division by a country mile. Anything above 22nd would be a miracle.
I didn't post on the "Thorn is a miracle worker" thread because it entirely missed the point: we weren't saying Thorn is a miracle worker, more that he would need to be to keep us up this season :facepalm:
Nonleagueherewecome
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Yes, many of whom now want him fired. I was ridiculed a few weeks back for saying "if he was the right man then, why is he the wrong man now? What's changed?" At which point everyone claimed he was rubbish last season too!
This thread sums up a lot of what is wrong with football for me.
Nonleagueherewecome
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WRONG.
I can remember last season-"If SISU don't hire Thorn, it will be an outrage, the final straw!"
VERY SHORT MEMORIES AROUND HERE, EH?
Otis
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Thorn started off really well. Now he has really started to struggle. Dowie started off really well and then began to struggle. Like so Coleman and very much so, Boothroyd, who started off brilliantly and then really began to struggle.
So in answer to your question, of course he could have been the right man back then but the wrong man now. I would throw the question back at you and ask why does he have to be the right man now simply because he was the right man before? Is McSheffrey the right player for us now because he was the right player for us before? No, course not.
Pretty much everyone has said that Thorn has made mistakes. Some of those mistakes may well have cost us points (I know a lot of fans do believe this) and don't forget, we are only 2 wins from safety. Without Thorn's mistakes we could possibly be outside the bottom 3 places.
So in answer to your question, of course he could have been the right man back then but the wrong man now. I would throw the question back at you and ask why does he have to be the right man now simply because he was the right man before? Is McSheffrey the right player for us now because he was the right player for us before? No, course not.
Pretty much everyone has said that Thorn has made mistakes. Some of those mistakes may well have cost us points (I know a lot of fans do believe this) and don't forget, we are only 2 wins from safety. Without Thorn's mistakes we could possibly be outside the bottom 3 places.
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