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Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (4 Viewers)

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shepardo01

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,786
clint van damme said:
Funny that this post is getting believed but Shep posted a post on Friday night which contained the first paragraph and people are believing it but everything else in his post is being dismissed.
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After my post on Friday I'm trying to process what I was told and how it fits in with what has been said in the last few days!
Think the level of coaching is consistent across both what king said, what the post you are referring to says and what I was told.
Out of interest Clint, are you questioning the remainder of my post.
If so - I'll look at clearing up what I might be able to.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,787
Robins words, March 2024.

Every single decision that’s made here is my decision, in terms of the football side of things, and I am obviously directed by the owner and I have to try to make sure we do the best we can to make his wishes a reality, and that’s where we are
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Assume King had a gun to his head at this point while he was taking over and interfering.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,788
shepardo01 said:
After my post on Friday I'm trying to process what I was told and how it fits in with what has been said in the last few days!
Think the level of coaching is consistent across both what king said, what the post you are referring to says and what I was told.
Out of interest Clint, are you questioning the remainder of my post.
If so - I'll look at clearing up what I might be able to.
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No, I'm not questioning your post.
I'm just pointing out that some people are selective of what to believe when they accuse others of doing the same.
Albeit it was a Deity post but it tied up with parts of yours.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,789
Sky Blue Pete said:
If you had seen his face I think you would have been less binary on this. He was either incredibly nervous (understandable) or knows he flew close to the litigious winds (possible).

He gave his version of the truth knowing it wouldn’t be challenged
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Again an ITK who is credible did agree that Viveash was dismissed effectively as he and Robins relationship had broken down

Without Viveash Robins has at best been a mediocre manager at this and all other levels bar Rotherham

He would inevitably be annoyed if having offered them deals the relationship broke down. Robins at that point was vunerable
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,790
Grendel said:
Again an ITK who is credible did agree that Viveash was dismissed effectively as he and Robins relationship had broken down

Without Viveash Robins has at best been a mediocre manager at this and all other levels bar Rotherham

He would inevitably be annoyed if having offered them deals the relationship broke down. Robins at that point was vunerable
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Would you say Brian clough was a mediocre manager without Peter taylor ?

Had we beaten derby we'd have had a better start than the last 2 seasons by all accounts .. with adi .

Now I'm not disputing mark and adi were better as a team but please do not use the information from doug king to feel like you're correct on mark robins and suggest hes not a huge part in our success

Again , he is one of our most succesful managers ever .. that irritates you I know
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,791
Grendel said:
Again an ITK who is credible did agree that Viveash was dismissed effectively as he and Robins relationship had broken down

Without Viveash Robins has at best been a mediocre manager at this and all other levels bar Rotherham

He would inevitably be annoyed if having offered them deals the relationship broke down. Robins at that point was vunerable
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Yep
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,792
I AM ANDY TURNER DESTROYER OF WORLDS!

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,793
Both evo and grendel comments can be liked and we can still move on together
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,794
Evo1883 said:
Would you say Brian clough was a mediocre manager without Peter taylor ?

Had we beaten derby we'd have had a better start than the last 2 seasons by all accounts .. with adi .

Now I'm not disputing mark and adi were better as a team but please do not use the information from doug king to feel like you're correct on mark robins and suggest hes not a huge part in our success

Again , he is one of our most succesful managers ever .. that irritates you I know
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Brian Clough was awful with Taylor - they won the league cup after his departure and that was it
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,795
Sky Blue Pete said:
Both evo and grendel comments can be liked and we can still move on together
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Saying that Mark robins has been mediocre at best at coventry is factually incorrect Pete
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,796
Grendel said:
Brian Clough was awful with Taylor - they won the league cup after his departure and that was it
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Brian clough wasnt an awful manager grendel jesus christ
 
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Cov4life

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,797
Bugsy said:
@GIMOC no disrespect but please can U stop just putting shit out there true or false, it's just wrong if people like to know then DM them not put it on social media as it looks tacky and just disrespectful to the club.
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Mark my words these ‘ITK’s’ are going to ruin this club.
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,798
MusicDating said:
Robins started it. It was his interview a couple of weeks before Adi's when Robins called him difficult - Viveash gone
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Interesting as had never seen the quotes Vivesh was responding to when he said 'i don't think I am difficult to work with. I really don't think it is worth trying to dissect this - there is 7 years of history there and little of it is public record. End of the day - the two fell out which is sad.
 
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edgy

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,799
Cov4life said:
Mark my words these ‘ITK’s’ are going to ruin this club.
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They are not "ITKs" anymore. Just shitstirrers, hell bent on damaging people and in turn, the club.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,800
Grendel said:
Again an ITK who is credible did agree that Viveash was dismissed effectively as he and Robins relationship had broken down

Without Viveash Robins has at best been a mediocre manager at this and all other levels bar Rotherham

He would inevitably be annoyed if having offered them deals the relationship broke down. Robins at that point was vunerable
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I know the argument has always been 'I am sure clubs did come in for him' but ultimately Robins never came close to being nabbed by a bigger club despite years of success.

It's almost like other, bigger clubs knew he wouldn't fit in there without a good assistant.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,801
Cov4life said:
Mark my words these ‘ITK’s’ are going to ruin this club.
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No they're not , small talk doesn't take down an institution
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,802
Evo1883 said:
Saying that Mark robins has been mediocre at best at coventry is factually incorrect Pete
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On his own without adi for a matter of months it’s an opinion
 

usskyblue

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,803
The owner said that MR was responsible for getting in an assistant and one never materialized.

Chris Ramsey spoke to MR at Ryton on October 9th. The appointment got vetoed on, or before October 14th. The reason given was that the owner thought the timing wasn’t right.

So MR must have known somewhere in between October 9th - 14th that he has a dead man walking.

To me, it seems that whole truth isn’t being told.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,804
Sky Blue Pete said:
On his own without adi for a matter of months it’s an opinion
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Ah yes .. for a whopping 3 months of his 7.5 year tenure
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,805
Evo1883 said:
Brian clough wasnt an awful manager grendel jesus christ
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Without Taylor his record was poor
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,806
usskyblue said:
The owner said that MR was responsible for getting in an assistant and one never materialized.

Chris Ramsey spoke to MR at Ryton on October 9th. The appointment got vetoed on, or before October 14th. The reason given was that the owner thought the timing wasn’t right.

So MR must have known somewhere in between October 9th - 14th that he has a dead man walking.

To me, it seems that whole truth isn’t being told.
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Do you think Dean Austin told Doug Chris Ramsey isn’t elite
 

Bugsy

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,807
Evo1883 said:
No they're not , small talk doesn't take down an institution
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It's not helpful though and raises more questions and stir ups
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,808
usskyblue said:
The owner said that MR was responsible for getting in an assistant and one never materialized.

Chris Ramsey spoke to MR at Ryton on October 9th. The appointment got vetoed on, or before October 14th. The reason given was that the owner thought the timing wasn’t right.

So MR must have known somewhere in between October 9th - 14th that he has a dead man walking.

To me, it seems that whole truth isn’t being told.
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You're wasting your time mate
 

Nick

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,809
clint van damme said:
You're wasting your time mate
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I'm not sure why?

Surely it's believable that by then that there were thoughts about Robins going so not going to hire?

The telling bit would be when was given the 3 options King said. If it was August / September it would make a difference to if it was October 7th.
 
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Otis

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,810
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
There's also a lot of people that have listened to what Doug has said and have swallowed it all without even thinking about it.

He's as able to bullshit to suit his agenda as anyone else on here is.
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Not saying he was lying, but anyone telling fibs in front of a group of people would surely always pick a story that sounded plausible and would be believed.

Otherwise what's the point? You would be picked apart if your lies could be easily uncovered.

I have no idea if what he said was true, but the best lies are always ones that skate very close to, or go down pretty much the same path as the truth.

People are saying it's true because it matches, but when you are lying, you WANT what you are saying to match.
 

Cov4life

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,811
Evo1883 said:
No they're not , small talk doesn't take down an institution
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I think you’ve taken my comment literal, I don’t think they realise how much influence they have, we’ve got a good owner that will be driven away with the rubbish that gets spread. Not only the owner, but the management team aswell, I’ve seen some of the stuff that’s been put online about them, awful. It’s not really small talk is it when 90% of the fan base are saying Doug broke up the adi/mr partnership ?!

So yes, this club will be ruined. Talent will be driven away from the club.
 

Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,812
At this point Robins took the wheels off his own bus, the owner has reiterated that today on national radio. Why do fans still think Robins was still the solution. We have averaged a point a game for the last 30 games FFS, that's on Robins and his decision to assemble his coaching team. The scary thing for me is that are load of conspiracy theorists that still don't believe the guy that gave him a four year contract as evidence that he thought he was good at the job. If King could see it falling apart behind the scenes he could not let it carry on. Its time to give the owner a fair crack and stop looking for things that just aren't there. Emotions are making mountains form mole hills at the minute, I want what King wants and if that means moving on without Robins despite all the good he has done then its the right decision.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,813
Grendel said:
Without Taylor his record was poor
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It wasn't though was it

2 league cups and a runner up , a uefa cup semi final

11 top 10 finishes and top 5 4 times in a Liverpool Everton dominated era

Hardly poor
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
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Bugsy said:
It's not helpful though and raises more questions and stir ups
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I agree it doesn't help
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,815
clint van damme said:
You're wasting your time mate
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Not really. It’s plausible as we’d lost to Sheff Weds before the interview and then Preston.

It’s right that he should then have had questions asked about him and if he was capable of turning things round
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,816
Nick said:
I'm not sure why?

Surely it's believable that by then that there were thoughts about Robins going so not going to hire?

The telling bit would be when was given the 3 options King said. If it was August / September it would make a difference to if it was October 7th.
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Because people don't want believe that the club pulled the plug on the assistant.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,817
Evo1883 said:
It wasn't though was it

2 league cups and a runner up , a uefa cup semi final

11 top 10 finishes and top 5 4 times in a Liverpool Everton dominated era

Hardly poor
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Yes it was in context poor. Clough once Taylor went had no one to control his alcoholism for a start. He was out of control and the club discipline fell apart. He had to go away for large periods of the season and Archie Gemmell ran the club a lot of the time.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,818
Grendel said:
Yes it was in context poor. Clough once Taylor went had no one to control his alcoholism for a start. He was out of control and the club discipline fell apart. He had to go away for large periods of the season and Archie Gemmell ran the club a lot of the time.
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Forest had 5 crazy years , he still won major honours without Taylor.. this is a fact ? He still won more trophies without Taylor than we have in our history
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,819
Evo1883 said:
Forest had 5 crazy years , he still won major honours without Taylor.. this is a fact ? He still won more trophies without Taylor than we have in our history
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It’s a poor example. He was drunk most of the time was a figurehead for many years with a lot of helpers around him
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 12, 2024
  • #1,820
Grendel said:
It’s a poor example. He was drunk most of the time was a figurehead for many years with a lot of helpers around him
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So he won 4 major honours whilst being pissed up .

Not bad
 
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