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Johhny Blue

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #351
hamertime said:
Who gives a fuck about away fans. Less the better.
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We ARE away fans 50% of the time
 
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Johhny Blue

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #352
In an ideal Kids under 10 would be free with an adult ticket. Logistics to work out with all seater but doable
 

Astute

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #353
hamertime said:
It’s not £25 though is it. A kid u14 JSB member can get a ticket for a cat c game for £10 u18 £15 people are bending the facts to support an argument. People should just take very young kids Cat C games.
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So the Sunderland game isn't Cat A game?

Casual supporters don't have to pay £25 per child?

We won't have thousands of empty seats?

Ok
 

Astute

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #354
hamertime said:
Who gives a fuck about away fans. Less the better.
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We are away supporters half the time.

Not everyone lives near Coventry. How about shift workers who work weekends? Both were me before I left the UK. Home games were over 400 miles round trip. We have a lot of supporters with similar where a ST isn't feasible.

So you say people shouldn't go to the Sunderland game but go to Cat C games if they have children. Don't think I have ever paid £37 for a home league game before. Better prices and we could have sold this game out. Instead we will have thousands of empty seats.
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #355
robbiethemole said:
No they weren’t! They went on sale on Monday and were sold out by 9.30 am Tuesday, mostly to new people, and existing ST holders no chance to get them. Absolutely screwing existing fans who wanted to move, don’t get me started.
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Exactly, so everyone had a chance to buy them if they were on the ball. If they wasn’t just like any other tickets that are great value they will sell out. I suppose it’s Doug’s or the clubs fault isn’t it people couldn’t be arsed to put it in their diary and log in.
Astute said:
So the Sunderland game isn't Cat A game?

Casual supporters don't have to pay £25 per child?

We won't have thousands of empty seats?

Ok
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It is a catagory A game, if you can’t afford that go to B or C games, the experience will be exactly the same. I want to go on Holiday to the Maldives but I can’t afford it so I go to Lanzarote. Can’t please everyone all the time, give that club some credit for trying to increase revenues across the board so we can have a decent playing squad.
Astute said:
We are away supporters half the time.

Not everyone lives near Coventry. How about shift workers who work weekends? Both were me before I left the UK. Home games were over 400 miles round trip. We have a lot of supporters with similar where a ST isn't feasible.

So you say people shouldn't go to the Sunderland game but go to Cat C games if they have children. Don't think I have ever paid £37 for a home league game before. Better prices and we could have sold this game out. Instead we will have thousands of empty seats.
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Jesus, we’re fighting for shift workers rights now are we? What’s next cheaper midweek tickets for people who have to work weekends or cheaper tickets for nuns. No one makes people go to football. Just like any other product you can either afford it or you cannot. Cheaper tickets ie season tickets were available and if people were not on the ball to get them then it’s their own fault.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #356
hamertime said:
Exactly, so everyone had a chance to buy them if they were on the ball. If they wasn’t just like any other tickets that are great value they will sell out. I suppose it’s Doug’s or the clubs fault isn’t it people couldn’t be arsed to put it in their diary and log in.

It is a catagory A game, if you can’t afford that go to B or C games, the experience will be exactly the same. I want to go on Holiday to the Maldives but I can’t afford it so I go to Lanzarote. Can’t please everyone all the time, give that club some credit for trying to increase revenues across the board so we can have a decent playing squad.

Jesus, we’re fighting for shift workers rights now are we? What’s next cheaper midweek tickets for people who have to work weekends or cheaper tickets for nuns. No one makes people go to football. Just like any other product you can either afford it or you cannot. Cheaper tickets ie season tickets were available and if people were not on the ball to get them then it’s their own fault.
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You want to give the club credit for trying to increase revenue but earlier said the less away fans the better. What's it to be?
 

Robinshio

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #357
Johhny Blue said:
In an ideal Kids under 10 would be free with an adult ticket. Logistics to work out with all seater but doable
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Bad idea and this was a problem last year as tickets were bought but not filled
I think they will start to do some deals once we get into the season so that adult + child becomes cheaper
£75 for a family of 4 for a one off seems reasonable for a cat A and maybe 60 and 50 for other categories
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #358
Robinshio said:
Bad idea and this was a problem last year as tickets were bought but not filled
I think they will start to do some deals once we get into the season so that adult + child becomes cheaper
£75 for a family of 4 for a one off seems reasonable for a cat A and maybe 60 and 50 for other categories
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Exactly. I’d be shocked if this wasn’t the case going forward.

Why don’t people let this one play out, see what the final numbers are and whether it’s addressed before we go into full SBT meltdown. For all we know they may have already acknowledged something isn’t right about pricing internally but you can’t change anything a week or so before match

Mistakes will be made. Acknowledging them and addressing them is the most important thing
 
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Brylowes

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #359
hamertime said:
It is a catagory A game, if you can’t afford that go to B or C games, the experience will be exactly the same. I want to go on Holiday to the Maldives but I can’t afford it so I go to Lanzarote. Can’t please everyone all the time, give that club some credit for trying to increase revenues across the board so we can have a decent playing squad.
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If the experience will be exactly the same, why is one more expensive than the other.
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #360
clint van damme said:
You want to give the club credit for trying to increase revenue but earlier said the less away fans the better. What's it to be?
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Your not getting it are you.

Revenue will be up as their ticket prices are higher anyway. It’s looks like they will sell out anyway, might take longer to sell but they are going.

I deal in facts unless you have any decent ones don’t bother replying
 
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napolimp

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #361
Sunderland have got about 250 tickets left to sell out, so looks like it wasn't mispriced - in terms of away fans.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #362
hamertime said:
Your not getting it are you.

Revenue will be up as their ticket prices are higher anyway. It’s looks like they will sell out anyway, might take longer to sell but they are going.

I deal in facts unless you have any decent ones don’t bother replying
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Need to make up for the lost sponsorship money somehow I suppose.
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #363
Brylowes said:
If the experience will be exactly the same, why is one more expensive than the other.
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The A game might be 0-0 the C game 4-0 who knows.

The Maldives is 5k but lanzarote 2k. I can’t afford the Maldives so I’ll have a great time in lanzarote.
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #364
Football is a product now, whether we like it or not.
 

Brylowes

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #365
hamertime said:
The A game might be 0-0 the C game 4-0 who knows.

The Maldives is 5k but lanzarote 2k. I can’t afford the Maldives so I’ll have a great time in lanzarote.
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So will Lanzarote be exactly the same experience as the Maldives ?

So you think only wealthy Coventry fans should have access to certain games ?
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #366
Brylowes said:
So will Lanzarote be exactly the same experience as the Maldives ?

So you think only wealthy Coventry fans should have access to certain games ?
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I’ll make it what it is, it’s what can afford.
 
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napolimp

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #367
Don't understand the category pricing. I'd understand it in the Premier League where the desire to see Man City players would be greater than that to see Bournemouth players, but in the Championship I'd have thought you go to watch your team - it's not like any clubs in the division are going to have must see players anyway. Would make more sense if they had more categories within each fixture - depending on where you were sat in the ground.
 
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Dave K

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #368
theferret said:
Have seen it said that Sunderland have only sold 1400 ahead of general sale tomorrow (not sure if true but tickets have made general sale which is rare for them). If so, and the calls for a boycott are being heard, then you'd hope the club look at this again, especially kids pricing.

Our sales also slow, behind where they were for the Boro game at this stage for a bigger game (opposition wise), no TV cameras and a 3pm kick off. People starting to vote with their feet?
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Serious re- think on ticketing prices are needed.

They can quote prices all they like. If not acceptable or AFFORDABLE; they won't be purchased.
 

Brylowes

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #369
hamertime said:
I’ll make it what it is, it’s what can afford.
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But your argument for the higher price category A games is a simple case of supply and demand, so you think we will see a significant increase on the 24,000 we had against Middlesbrough then ?
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #370
napolimp said:
Don't understand the category pricing. I'd understand it in the Premier League where the desire to see Man City players would be greater than that to see Bournemouth players, but in the Championship I'd have thought you go to watch your team - it's not like any clubs in the division are going to have must see players anyway. Would make more sense if they had more categories within each fixture - depending on where you were sat in the ground.
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The only thing I can think of is they they've worked out with the A games people will be more likely to go at any cost and they will have big away followings regardless of cost.
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #371
Brylowes said:
But your argument for the higher price category A games is a simple case of supply and demand, so you think we will see a significant increase on the 24,000 we had against Middlesbrough then ?
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About the same crowd but revenue up.
 
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skybluestub

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #372
I count 289 tickets left on Sunderland site at the moment. Might be pricey, but if the demand is there (which the Club know it is) it'll sell.

Still think £25 is steep for a child
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #373
hamertime said:
Football is a product now, whether we like it or not.
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That's fine - the club can stop all the "join the journey" rubbish if it's just another consumer product

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #374
hamertime said:
Your not getting it are you.

Revenue will be up as their ticket prices are higher anyway. It’s looks like they will sell out anyway, might take longer to sell but they are going.

I deal in facts unless you have any decent ones don’t bother replying
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Can you prove revenue will be higher than if we reduced prices for u18s?
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #375
skybluestub said:
I count 289 tickets left on Sunderland site at the moment. Might be pricey, but if the demand is there (which the Club know it is) it'll sell.

Still think £25 is steep for a child
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Mackems with unsold tickets 3 days before the fame suggests somethings not right.
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #376
clint van damme said:
Can you prove revenue will be higher than if we reduced prices for u18s?
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If Sunderland sell out of course it would be.
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #377
fernandopartridge said:
That's fine - the club can stop all the "join the journey" rubbish if it's just another consumer product

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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We all know what football is deep down. It is a journey for everyone and the consumer pays for it and the club manage it unless we have a sugar daddy. I’m not sure what more the club could have done when they did season tickets at £50.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #378
hamertime said:
If Sunderland sell out of course it would be.
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How would you know how many child tickets they've sold?
How would you know how many more we would sell if prices were reduced?
You can't know, no one can.
 
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Brylowes

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #379
hamertime said:
About the same crowd but revenue up.
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The Middlesbrough game was 12o/c kick off on Sunday and live on Sky, against Sunderland 3pm Saturday, there should be a significant increase in attendance, if this isn’t the case…..something is wrong.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #380
Brylowes said:
The Middlesbrough game was 12o/c kick off on Sunday and live on Sky, against Sunderland 3pm Saturday, there should be a significant increase in attendance, if this isn’t the case…..something is wrong.
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And ultimately, we're doing well.

Imagine these attendances next season if we are mid-table.
 
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hamertime

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #381
clint van damme said:
How would you know how many child tickets they've sold?
How would you know how many more we would sell if prices were reduced?
You can't know, no one can.
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RegiswasGod

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #382
Not sure if this has already been posted, but just found this and, as much as I can't abide the Mackems, I agree with this.
Love the opening bit about how they haven't won at our place in 40nyears though 🩵

Is football now the ‘people’s game’ or the ruthless corporate raider’s game?

Across the Championship, ticket prices are now far too high, and Sunderland aren’t innocent when it comes to overcharging.
rokerreport.sbnation.com
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #383
Brylowes said:
The Middlesbrough game was 12o/c kick off on Sunday and live on Sky, against Sunderland 3pm Saturday, there should be a significant increase in attendance, if this isn’t the case…..something is wrong.
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On the other hand, Middlesbrough was the first home match following a highly successful season including a Wembley appearance, and an exciting transfer window so far. All that might have been expected to offset the attendance suppressing factors you have implied. May be matching that attendance won’t be quite as poor as you are suggesting, and isn’t there industrial action on the trains this weekend also?
 
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CCFC88

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #384
Brylowes said:
The Middlesbrough game was 12o/c kick off on Sunday and live on Sky, against Sunderland 3pm Saturday, there should be a significant increase in revenue, if this isn’t the case…..something is wrong.
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Fixed it for you
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 23, 2023
  • #385
MalcSB said:
On the other hand, Middlesbrough was the first home match following a highly successful season including a Wembley appearance, and an exciting transfer window so far. All that might have been expected to offset the attendance suppressing factors you have implied. May be matching that attendance won’t be quite as poor as you are suggesting, and isn’t there industrial action on the trains this weekend also?
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The evidence on both sides of this argument is mainly anecdotal, I just think it points more strongly to this being a bad idea.
 
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