Sundays Remembrance arm bands (1 Viewer)

[Cheshire Sky Blue]

You want the moon on the stick you do -

Point A - market the return properly/value for money - £10 for Gillingham was as good an offer as could have been made
Point B - Disagree with SISU - fair enough but thought it was about supporting a team not the owners
Point C - Difficult ticket sales - werent many issues post Gillingham!
Point D - hardly helped welcome fans back - 10 pound hospitality, 180 quid for a box etc etc

You want the moon on the stick you do - You can hate SISU all you like and with some good reason but they are not to blame for 7000 gates this year - The only mistake the club made was believe the bullshit of the "fans" who said they would be back in massive numbers when back at the Ricoh - dont remember much talk of their being an "except if SISU are still there" clause in that.

Financially, we would probably be better off at Northampton - the Ricoh is now turning into that cold, empty, spiteful place it was before we left it. Hardly the fortress to help the team on.

Watched this rubbish for too long. You are wrong AndreasB on many accounts, but that's your choice, your view and I can't and won't say that you can't have that, but to even suggest that the demise of our club and the 7k gates is nothing to do with SISU is blind, bigoted bullshit. You arrogant tit, blaming the fans for our plight. Complete dick........

Just my view and I'm sure I'm not alone here.

 

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[olderskyblue]

Must have just missed you then. I went in and the last few poppies were tumbling down..

We had bagged our 40% off bargains and watched from inside Debenhams, then rushed to the till as everyone else started to come in

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Poppy fascism? Where have you seen that NW? I haven't noticed anything like that.

Well, there are demands from some to make such things as the shirts compulsory, you can find it on this board for one And there is a certain requirement to be seen to be complying from some. I know of a certain organised event where someone considered dropping out because they didn't want to offend (or have to deal with the offence caused) by not wearing a poppy and that's... not on. I don't see why, for example, James McLean should have to justify his decision thus: http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/news/article/14-11-07-statement-regarding-james-mcclean-2070059.aspx

To me, it detracts from those who *do* want to. Why is the talk about someone who, for whatever reason, does not wish to share in such a thing?

I think having one day each year to commemorate the fallen in all wars is a nice thing to do

FWIW, I do too... but I'd far rather it wasn't turned into being compelled to reflect/remember in a certain way.

Have you ever visited the National Arboretum? An amazing place.

A bit like the war graves in France. I can be no imperialist, but the sense of space, place... quiet that emphasises the noise can have an impact on me that set times and days don't.

I don't see it that way at all, but that's just me. I like the idea of the shirt with a poppy, and if a player doesn't want to wear it, then that's OK too. I just think that the shirt gesture would have been a lot nicer, and I think it made us look like cheapskates, rather than just commemorating in a different way (rightly or wrongly).

I see it as surface glitz above a deeper meaning. If it came to it, I'd rather the clubs/shirt suppliers gave any money they would spend on shirts to an appeal instead.

Hey, the world'd be boring if we all felt the same. But it should be commemorating the ability to disagree and that, to me, is sometimes lost.

 

[AndreasB]

especially Barton eh Otis?

Oh, I was in Debenhams at 11, and watched the falling poppies. A nice moment.

Debenhams . That must have been so poignant.

 

[Hobo]

You want the moon on the stick you do -

Point A - market the return properly/value for money - £10 for Gillingham was as good an offer as could have been made
Point B - Disagree with SISU - fair enough but thought it was about supporting a team not the owners
Point C - Difficult ticket sales - werent many issues post Gillingham!
Point D - hardly helped welcome fans back - 10 pound hospitality, 180 quid for a box etc etc

You want the moon on the stick you do - You can hate SISU all you like and with some good reason but they are not to blame for 7000 gates this year - The only mistake the club made was believe the bullshit of the "fans" who said they would be back in massive numbers when back at the Ricoh - dont remember much talk of their being an "except if SISU are still there" clause in that.

Financially, we would probably be better off at Northampton - the Ricoh is now turning into that cold, empty, spiteful place it was before we left it. Hardly the fortress to help the team on.

Point A it shouldn't have been a one off.
Point B the current team is a reflection of our owners
Point C having lost the fans they should have done better organisationally....they tried to do too much too soon, didn't staff the sales office properly. After training players could have gone down to shove tickets in envelopes. How good would have it to receive your ticket/season ticket with a message from a player thanks for your support....doesn't take a marketing or PR genius or an organisational guru to come up with simple solutions to simple problems.

Point D. The entertainments business is very competitive field. Rather than comparing yourself to what everyone else is doing, real market leaders don't miss the trick. In my opinion SISU did have to give the fans the moon on the stick. Their tenure has been so bad they needed to prove they had learnt the lesson, learnt it well and were moving towards a new era.

what we get in reality is once very 12 months or so Seppala "we have made mistakes" within two days it is same old same old contradictions. That is why players mumble the same old pre match bollocks about this n that and then fail on a Saturday to deliver what they have preached.

If some fans are still enjoying the match day experience, fair enough I am genuinely pleased for them. But I have spent years following city home and away, often with a big commute. I don't feel I am getting value for money from our club owners, football or professional footballers. The last few years most matches I attended at the Ricoh were poor spectacles from both teams. I at least want my team to show some pride, desire and a will to win.

 

[olderskyblue]

Debenhams . That must have been so poignant.

Actually, it was.

Or are you just being a complete dick about a shopping centre commemorating the war dead?

 

[AndreasB]

Watched this rubbish for too long. You are wrong AndreasB on many accounts, but that's your choice, your view and I can't and won't say that you can't have that, but to even suggest that the demise of our club and the 7k gates is nothing to do with SISU is blind, bigoted bullshit. You arrogant tit, blaming the fans for our plight. Complete dick........

Just my view and I'm sure I'm not alone here.

ooh you saucy man, calling me all them words after telling me I was entitled to my opinion. Bit bonkers.

 

[AndreasB]

Point A it shouldn't have been a one off.
Point B the current team is a reflection of our owners
Point C having lost the fans they should have done better organisationally....they tried to do too much too soon, didn't staff the sales office properly. After training players could have gone down to shove tickets in envelopes. How good would have it to receive your ticket/season ticket with a message from a player thanks for your support....doesn't take a marketing or PR genius or an organisational guru to come up with simple solutions to simple problems.

Point D. The entertainments business is very competitive field. Rather than comparing yourself to what everyone else is doing, real market leaders don't miss the trick. In my opinion SISU did have to give the fans the moon on the stick. Their tenure has been so bad they needed to prove they had learnt the lesson, learnt it well and were moving towards a new era.

what we get in reality is once very 12 months or so Seppala "we have made mistakes" within two days it is same old same old contradictions. That is why players mumble the same old pre match bollocks about this n that and then fail on a Saturday to deliver what they have preached.

If some fans are still enjoying the match day experience, fair enough I am genuinely pleased for them. But I have spent years following city home and away, often with a big commute. I don't feel I am getting value for money from our club owners, football or professional footballers. The last few years most matches I attended at the Ricoh were poor spectacles from both teams. I at least want my team to show some pride, desire and a will to win.

it hasnt been a one off.

 

[AndreasB]

Actually, it was.

Or are you just being a complete dick about a shopping centre commemorating the war dead?

This Country.

 

[Cheshire Sky Blue]

ooh you saucy man, calling me all them words after telling me I was entitled to my opinion. Bit bonkers.

You are entitled to your opinion. The fact that you repeatedly type bollocks is not me being bonkers, its you typing the bollocks you keep thinking. Either stop thinking or stop typing.

I just simply reject your theory that the demise of our club is the fault of the fans. The demise of this club is the fault of SISU, the revulsion of the fans towards SISU is entirely predictable and in my opinion reasonable. I wish it were different, but its not.

 

[AndreasB]

You are entitled to your opinion. The fact that you repeatedly type bollocks is not me being bonkers, its you typing the bollocks you keep thinking. Either stop thinking or stop typing.

I just simply reject your theory that the demise of our club is the fault of the fans. The demise of this club is the fault of SISU, the revulsion of the fans towards SISU is entirely predictable and in my opinion reasonable. I wish it were different, but its not.

Ive never blamed the fans who dont go - personal choice and all that. the wankers I cant stand are the "fans" that drop us after one game after bleating for a year they were "denied" football by the move to Sixfields.
I see its now moved on anyway now from blaming SISU to blaming Pressley though...