Such a shame (6 Viewers)

[Bennosdancingfeet]

I hate reading posts after a cracking win. The majority of threads turn into bitching sessions.

We are all sky blue yet those bastards have divided the fan base and it's a sad state.

 

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[Ashdown1]

I know what you mean, sometime though on days like this you have to just put it all behind us and revel in the moment ! PUSB !

 

[Spionkop]

Benno, there is no real divide. 90% of us fans are together in opposition to moving out of Coventry.
Any discord is purely down to the few mischief makers on here.

 

[skybluefred]

It's a coincidence I know but it's the Ruddy Fools Club or RFC for short that are holding us back.

 

[Covstu]

Today has nothing to do with sixfields or SISU or anything IMO, today was a cracking away win in the FA cup.

 

[stupot07]

Benno, there is no real divide. 90% of us fans are together in opposition to moving out of Coventry.
Any discord is purely down to the few mischief makers on here.

There you go causing divisions. I'd say 99.9% if not 100% of fans oppose the move to Sixfields (inc. RFC).


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[sweeno70]

so, if so many oppose it why do they continue to go to Northampton ? suerly this just tells the owners that its ok you can continue to rape our club fom within but we will still be there to tell everybody its ok !!!!!

 

[skybluetony176]

There you go causing divisions. I'd say 99.9% if not 100% of fans oppose the move to Sixfields (inc. RFC).


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i'm sure you're right.

its just most of us are not happy to drop our pants, bend over and stand in line in a cow shed in Northampton while getting fucked by a hedge fund.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

i'm sure you're right.

its just most of us are not happy to drop our pants, bend over and stand in line in a cow shed in Northampton while getting fucked by a hedge fund.

I think this is the exact wording in the small print on the tickets.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

There you go causing divisions. I'd say 99.9% if not 100% of fans oppose the move to Sixfields (inc. RFC).


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I don't necessarily disagree Stu..couple of points though..

It grates me when I'm accused of being a hypocrite for going to MK Dons with my son by some Sixfield attendees... when they in turn don't support the groundshare in Northampton and yet?.. seems like the opposite side of the same coin to me?
In addition... the notion that by not attending Sixfield automatically equals support for NOPM is fundamentally misguided, further linked to by many Sixfield attendess as probable root cause for any January player sales. Ludicrous given the choices made by SISU. Some, and I admit there was an early post from me that stated 'NOPM', I was wrong, that wasnt my clearest of thoughts/
I don't and won't attend Northampton because of the principled position that I hold that it is wrong and infinitely avoidable.no other. Some disagree...about 10% based on attendances 2012/13 to 2013/14.. in a democratic society I'm comfortable with my vote, albeit very concious of the possible circumstance not mutually exclusive from the decisions that SISU took.

 

[stupot07]

I don't necessarily disagree Stu..couple of points though..

It grates me when I'm accused of being a hypocrite for going to MK Dons with my son by some Sixfield attendees... when they in turn don't support the groundshare in Northampton and yet?.. seems like the opposite side of the same coin to me?

I think it's more those slating those going to Sixfields accusing them of supporting 'covampton' franchise because of the temporary, but then went to MK Dons and gave money to a franchise club. That is a tad hypocritical.

Those who don't agree with the groundshare but still go to Sixfields are doing so because they want to support the lads. That's not hypocritical. We all do things we don't really want to do. Now of those people where encouraging people not to attend Sixfields but attended themselves I would class that as being hypocritical.

In addition... the notion that by not attending Sixfield automatically equals support for NOPM is fundamentally misguided, further linked to by many Sixfield attendess as probable root cause for any January player sales. Ludicrous given the choices made by SISU. Some, and I admit there was an early post from me that stated 'NOPM', I was wrong, that wasnt my clearest of thoughts/

I agree not everyone is adopting NOPM, but the majority view is "in not going to Sixfields and giving shitsu my money" and quote NOPM. For those that spout that on here but then go to cup games are being hypocritical.

low attendance = low income, so of course NOPM will be a contributing factor if we end up having to sell in January.

Similarly not everyone is boycotting, some people just can't get there, whether because of distance or time.

I don't and won't attend Northampton because of the principled position that I hold that it is wrong and infinitely avoidable.no other. Some disagree...about 10% based on attendances 2012/13 to 2013/14.. in a democratic society I'm comfortable with my vote, albeit very concious of the possible circumstance not mutually exclusive from the decisions that SISU took.

Fair enough that is your decision, just don't have a go those that do (not accusing you), which is very divisive.

As side note - Oldham match (modest away following) there was about 30% of 2012/13 average, so not everyone is actively boycotting 100%.

In addition to the Sixfields attendees/boycotters, staunch NOPM/those that will give sisu money, there are also lots of other divisions though, where and portion blame lies, Thoughts on new stadium, ownership of the Ricoh, those that feel ccfc is already dead and want an AFC Coventry, etc.

And also thinking about it, how many unique visitors have their been at Sixfields? How many ST's are there? Are there a lot of regulars or is there a large number of fans that have just attended 1-2 games.

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[Spionkop]

Stupot, for someone who doesn't support Sisu or the move to Sixfields, you're doing a very good job of it. Or trying to.
Your stats re the the Oldham attendance are laughable.
The position is, the move to Northampton of CCFC has been a financial disaster that has hit our beloved club almost to oblivion.
90% + of City fans have stayed away.
The white hankies of Sixfields are seriously undermining hopes for a return to Coventry. And not to a tinpot 12,500 ground either.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

I think it's more those slating those going to Sixfields accusing them of supporting 'covampton' franchise because of the temporary, but then went to MK Dons and gave money to a franchise club. That is a tad hypocritical.

Those who don't agree with the groundshare but still go to Sixfields are doing so because they want to support the lads. That's not hypocritical. We all do things we don't really want to do. Now of those people where encouraging people not to attend Sixfields but attended themselves I would class that as being hypocritical.



I agree not everyone is adopting NOPM, but the majority view is "in not going to Sixfields and giving SISU my money" and quote NOPM. For those that spout that on here but then go to cup games are being hypocritical.

low attendance = low income, so of course NOPM will be a contributing factor if we end up having to sell in January.

Similarly not everyone is boycotting, some people just can't get there, whether because of distance or time.



Fair enough that is your decision, just don't have a go those that do (not accusing you), which is very divisive.

As side note - Oldham match (modest away following) there was about 30% of 2012/13 average, so not everyone is actively boycotting 100%.

In addition to the Sixfields attendees/boycotters, staunch NOPM/those that will give sisu money, there are also lots of other divisions though, where and portion blame lies, Thoughts on new stadium, ownership of the Ricoh, those that feel ccfc is already dead and want an AFC Coventry, etc.

And also thinking about it, how many unique visitors have their been at Sixfields? How many ST's are there? Are there a lot of regulars or is there a large number of fans that have just attended 1-2 games.

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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of hypocrite.
I would not berate anyone from attending Sixfield... its their choice, I would like to convince them not to with reasoned argument, but we all live by different principles and view points, freedom of speech and actions within the law being a fundamental democratic right.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I think it's more those slating those going to Sixfields accusing them of supporting 'covampton' franchise because of the temporary, but then went to MK Dons and gave money to a franchise club. That is a tad hypocritical.

Those who don't agree with the groundshare but still go to Sixfields are doing so because they want to support the lads. That's not hypocritical. We all do things we don't really want to do. Now of those people where encouraging people not to attend Sixfields but attended themselves I would class that as being hypocritical.



I agree not everyone is adopting NOPM, but the majority view is "in not going to Sixfields and giving shitsu my money" and quote NOPM. For those that spout that on here but then go to cup games are being hypocritical.

low attendance = low income, so of course NOPM will be a contributing factor if we end up having to sell in January.

Similarly not everyone is boycotting, some people just can't get there, whether because of distance or time.



Fair enough that is your decision, just don't have a go those that do (not accusing you), which is very divisive.

As side note - Oldham match (modest away following) there was about 30% of 2012/13 average, so not everyone is actively boycotting 100%.

In addition to the Sixfields attendees/boycotters, staunch NOPM/those that will give sisu money, there are also lots of other divisions though, where and portion blame lies, Thoughts on new stadium, ownership of the Ricoh, those that feel ccfc is already dead and want an AFC Coventry, etc.

And also thinking about it, how many unique visitors have their been at Sixfields? How many ST's are there? Are there a lot of regulars or is there a large number of fans that have just attended 1-2 games.

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The only people who generally use the phrase franchise are sixfields attendees, usually to try and discredit the boycotters.

From what I've seen on here its very rare that a boycotter uses that word.

Re the Oldham attendance, the comparable fixture last season (Shrewsbury) had 14k home fans in attendance. Its the average that matters, not one off games.

 

[Otis]

As I've said before, there's lots like me who are not in the NOPM camp, but just cannot not bring ourselves into going and watching home games 34 miles away when there is a perfectly decent stadium already here to use in Coventry.

 

[grego_gee]

The position is, the move to Northampton of CCFC has been a financial disaster that has hit our beloved club almost to oblivion.
90% + of City fans have stayed away.

Wrong! Your logic is faulty.

90% + of City fans staying away has been a financial disaster that has hit our beloved club almost to oblivion!

 

[Houchens Head]

Strange how this thread is turning into just what the OP stated in the first place. Everyone slating each other off. C'mon guys, we all have opinions of SISU, Otium, Timmy, CCC, etc etc, but the win yesterday was all about a well won game of football. I was really proud of the team yesterday and can't wait to see who we get drawn against in the next round.

 

[italiahorse]

There you go causing divisions. I'd say 99.9% if not 100% of fans oppose the move to Sixfields (inc. RFC).

You are right, but people need to look at the long term rather than the short term.

There is also a split on whether you want a new stadium or not.
In addition there is also a high probability that Sisu have moved us to Northampton to stress CCC into releasing the stadium, so there is a further split on whether you want that to happen or not.

The first step of an unknown Sisu plan, for both the above, is to move us to Sixfields and in my opinion because of that, those going are supporting Sisu.

I understand people want to support the team, but so do I.
I just think the best way for me to protest and show Sisu I disapprove of what they are doing, is to stay away from Sixfields.

I also believe that building this new stadium will finish this club financially, or as a minimum condemn us to this level forever.

 

[grego_gee]

Strange how this thread is turning into just what the OP stated in the first place. Everyone slating each other off. C'mon guys, we all have opinions of SISU, Otium, Timmy, CCC, etc etc, but the win yesterday was all about a well won game of football. I was really proud of the team yesterday and can't wait to see who we get drawn against in the next round.

Second line of the OP said
"We are all sky blue yet those bastards have divided the fan base and it's a sad state."
Isn't that bitching?

 

[italiahorse]

Strange how this thread is turning into just what the OP stated in the first place. Everyone slating each other off. C'mon guys, we all have opinions of SISU, Otium, Timmy, CCC, etc etc, but the win yesterday was all about a well won game of football. I was really proud of the team yesterday and can't wait to see who we get drawn against in the next round.

Again your right and we need to enjoy the positives.
It is difficult to take my eye of the long term future and to some extent days like yesterday make me remember the good days at the top.
It is hard to take that we have a massive struggle to get back there and in reality we can't stop Sisu doing what they want. Whatever it is.

 

[stupot07]

Stupot, for someone who doesn't support Sisu or the move to Sixfields, you're doing a very good job of it. Or trying to.
Your stats re the the Oldham attendance are laughable.
The position is, the move to Northampton of CCFC has been a financial disaster that has hit our beloved club almost to oblivion.
90% + of City fans have stayed away.
The white hankies of Sixfields are seriously undermining hopes for a return to Coventry. And not to a tinpot 12,500 ground either.

There you go again with your derogatory tone agains the Sixfields attendees. That's the most divisive thing.

And re: stats.

3300 vs Oldham, average in 2012/13 was 10,700.

(3300/10700) * 100 = 30.8%.

No point using Peterborough as they brought an abnormally large following.


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[stupot07]

You are right, but people need to look at the long term rather than the short term.

Agreed, but isn't this was sisu are saying, short term pain for long term gain?

Coming back to the Ricoh as tenants with not access to any additional revenue is short term measure and a return to the status quo albeit on reduced rent.


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[italiahorse]

Agreed, but isn't this was sisu are saying, short term pain for long term gain?

Coming back to the Ricoh as tenants with not access to any additional revenue is short term measure and a return to the status quo albeit on reduced rent.


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Depends whose figures you are using ?
Certainly a 12,000 seater stadium would finish us financially and ambition wise.

 

[stupot07]

Depends whose figures you are using ?
Certainly a 12,000 seater stadium would finish us financially and ambition wise.

I think the new stadium is a bad idea, I'd like a return to the Ricoh as part/full owners.


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[Spionkop]

Too right I've got a 'derogatory' tone about the Sixfields attenders. I think they're a disgrace.

 

[bigfatronssba]

There you go again with your derogatory tone agains the Sixfields attendees. That's the most divisive thing.

And re: stats.

3300 vs Oldham, average in 2012/13 was 10,700.

(3300/10700) * 100 = 30.8%.

No point using Peterborough as they brought an abnormally large following.


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Actual stats are

Average 13/14 is 2427, average in 12/13 was 10948.

2427/10948 *100 = 22%.

Using your Oldham figure of 3300 against the comparable game last season (Shrewsbury) its:

3300/15185 * 100 = 21.7%

Neither are anywhere near the 30% figure your trying to state.

 

[stupot07]

Actual stats are

Average 13/14 is 2427, average in 12/13 was 10948.

2427/10948 *100 = 22%.

Using your Oldham figure of 3300 against the comparable game last season (Shrewsbury) its:

3300/15185 * 100 = 21.7%

Neither are anywhere near the 30% figure your trying to state.

It's nearer to 30% than it is to 10%.


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[wince]

Agreed, but isn't this was sisu are saying, short term pain for long term gain?

Coming back to the Ricoh as tenants with not access to any additional revenue is short term measure and a return to the status quo albeit on reduced rent.

When will the penny drop sisu have no intrest in football , the additional revenue is not going to go into ccfc

 

[stupot07]

When will the penny drop sisu have no intrest in football , the additional revenue is not going to go into ccfc

Is that fact?


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[Jack Griffin]

Wrong! Your logic is faulty.

90% + of City fans staying away has been a financial disaster that has hit our beloved club almost to oblivion!

Man, you're rally putting the cart before the horse there!

 

[Hobo]

Wrong! Your logic is faulty.

90% + of City fans staying away has been a financial disaster that has hit our beloved club almost to oblivion!

That explains why SISU said we had a debt to them between 60-70 million before we started playing at Northampton?

Since they have been in charge for 6 years don't you think the financial peculiarities are down to their watch?

The people staying away from Sixfields are saying enough is enough...the SISU stance is piling more debt to them on us. If you are going to build a new stadium fine. But at least purchase the suitable land first, as location is key to such a move.