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  • Start date Nov 7, 2019
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fatso

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #36
rob9872 said:
You mean like Cyrille?
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Interesting that you mention Cyrille,
Jimmy Greaves was asked about Cyrille, and he said, "decent player, but dosnt score goals, and you want your centre forward to score goals"

I couldnt of put that any better myself.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #37
harvey098 said:
How did you get to that? If I was measuring a player purely on their finishing stats then I wouldn't have said Toney is a better all round player than Bakayoko. Finishing is only part of a strikers game.

To be honest Grendel, I can't even remember my point. I don't even rate Bakayoko! I got bored and bogged down in stats. Have a good evening you grumpy bastard ;-)
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11 surprisingly good Premier League goalscorers: Murray, Le Fondre, Bent... - Planet Football
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #38
Grendel said:
11 surprisingly good Premier League goalscorers: Murray, Le Fondre, Bent... - Planet Football
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Remember when we were after one of Le Fondre or Cody McDonald
 

rob9872

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #39
fatso said:
Interesting that you mention Cyrille,
Jimmy Greaves was asked about Cyrille, and he said, "decent player, but dosnt score goals, and you want your centre forward to score goals"

I couldnt of put that any better myself.
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You fkn clown.
 

skyblueelephant76

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #40
harvey098 said:
LEAGUE ONLY (THIS SEASON ONLY)

BAKAYOKO
Goals scored: 4
Minutes per goal: 168
Number of shots: 17
Shots on target percentage: 47%

GODDEN
Goals scored: 4
Minutes per goal: 249
Number of shots: 25
Shots on target percentage: 52%

HIWULA
Goals scored: 4
Minutes per goal: 315
Number of shots: 24
Shots on target percentage: 46%

BIAMOU
Goals scored: 1
Minutes per goal: 267
Number of shots: 7
Shots on target percentage: 71%

(Stats taken from BBC Sport)
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Fake news, Baka has only scored 3 in the league, Himula 2 and Godden 3. The other goals were against an Exeter B team in the Cup.
 
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skyblueelephant76

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #41
skyblueelephant76 said:
Fake news, Baka has only scored 3 in the league, Himula 2 and Godden 3. The other goals were against an Exeter B team in the Cup.
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Also, that makes Westbrooke joint top scorer in the league...
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #42


League only
 

skyblueelephant76

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #43
SlowerThanPlatt said:
View attachment 13391

League only
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If only Huddersfield had come in for the Cowleys a couple of months earlier...
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #44
It seems like that Ian Henderson for Rochdale scores loads every season. 20 in each of his last two seasons

18/19 - 21 goals
17/18 - 20 goals
16/17 - 19 goals
15/16 - 13 goals
14/15 - 22 goals

All at League One level
 
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SAJ

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #45
This is why stats in football generally can be made to suit your POV. If a striker is playing a system that isn’t to their strength then of course they will look poor. The only stats that matter are points you win over the course of a season.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #46
Still way too early in the season to write godden off, scored goals at a good rate everywhere so I'm absolutely positive when we play to his strengths he will score goals.
I also think biamou alongside godden will give us a good return, I guess we will find out around Christmas time.

Think Hiwula will find some form too once he's back playing
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #47
fatso said:
Listen mate, no fucker EVER mentions Allan Shearer, and talks about the throw ins he’s taken, or the players he’s marked at corners, or the tackles he’s put in on the half way line!
Strikers are all about goals, nothing but goals, goals are what they are bought in to score, and goals are what they are judged on, nothing more than goals, nothing less than goals, Goals matter, goals win matches, it’s all about goals !!! End of, Period.





GOALS!
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I didn't realise that Cyrille Regis was such a poor striker for us. I'll have to take him out of my all time City team.
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #48
harvey098 when you were looking at Peterboro striker Toney shame you didn't look at his teammate Mo Eisa (always liked this guy) shots on target 66% shots to goals this season he has scored every 3 goals every 8 shots. Since he came into the league he has scored 1 goal every 2 games great record I think Bristol City might regreat letting him go so soon
 

rob9872

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  • Nov 7, 2019
  • #49
Irish Sky Blue said:
I didn't realise that Cyrille Regis was such a poor striker for us. I'll have to take him out of my all time City team.
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He believes that too. Have you seen the response to me suggesting Cyrille
 

stevefloyd

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #50
cc84cov said:
If that was the case Baka would be first choice
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He is first choice by default
 

stevefloyd

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #51
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I mean there clearly is... Firmino is widely (and rightly lauded) as a top rate centre forward yet his goal tally of 51 in 148 for Liverpool in the league is hardly prolific. That's not to say I think our specific strikers offer much more/less than their goal tallies suggest but to rate strikers based purely on their goal tallies isn't accurate.
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Ahhh what we would give for a striker to have scored 51 goals for us
 

stevefloyd

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #52
skyblueelephant76 said:
Fake news, Baka has only scored 3 in the league, Himula 2 and Godden 3. The other goals were against an Exeter B team in the Cup.
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Himula is that the German guy?
 

Gazolba

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #53
fatso said:
NO THERE ISN’T!!!
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How about how many assists they have made for other people?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #54
thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
harvey098 when you were looking at Peterboro striker Toney shame you didn't look at his teammate Mo Eisa (always liked this guy) shots on target 66% shots to goals this season he has scored every 3 goals every 8 shots. Since he came into the league he has scored 1 goal every 2 games great record I think Bristol City might regreat letting him go so soon
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I seem to remember there being some posts on here earlier in the season laughing at Pboro for letting Godden go and their recent intake of new strikers.
 

Skyblueol

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #55
I really don’t see how this helps the problem at all. Why do our fans get on a players back when they’re struggling it doesn’t help the problem at all. Yes I agree Baka has been much below par this season but Godden was playing with an injury and maxi has just come back from a serious one. Sometimes I wonder if our fans want us to struggle so they can say “I told you so” I personally will back this team regardless of who plays and what league they are playing in because I am a coventry fan and these are our boys end of!
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #56
Skyblueol said:
I really don’t see how this helps the problem at all. Why do our fans get on a players back when they’re struggling it doesn’t help the problem at all. Yes I agree Baka has been much below par this season but Godden was playing with an injury and maxi has just come back from a serious one. Sometimes I wonder if our fans want us to struggle so they can say “I told you so” I personally will back this team regardless of who plays and what league they are playing in because I am a coventry fan and these are our boys end of!
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I think it’s okay to criticise them on here as that is what a forum is for. Abuse directed towards them on social media is wrong but they should be professional enough not to read forums if they don’t what to see criticism. In the ground, Baka and Max are probably the two most supported players.
 

ccfcway

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #57
ccfchoi87 said:
In the ground, Baka and Max are probably the two most supported players.
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agree with that, I think Max is prob our most supporter player from the stands
 

Skyblueol

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #58
ccfchoi87 said:
I think it’s okay to criticise them on here as that is what a forum is for. Abuse directed towards them on social media is wrong but they should be professional enough not to read forums if they don’t what to see criticism. In the ground, Baka and Max are probably the two most supported players.
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My post wasn’t about the players reading this as I agree it would be silly for them to read this and dwell on it I just don’t see the point in moaning when we should deal with what we’ve got and back the players.
 
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fatso

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #59
Gazolba said:
How about how many assists they have made for other people?
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What other people? If the strikers aren't scoring, who the fuck is?
 

fatso

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #60
rob9872 said:
He believes that too. Have you seen the response to me suggesting Cyrille
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If you've got Cyrille in your best ever city team ahead of Mike Ferguson, your either very young or very fucking stupid.
As for assists, Ferguson was king of them!
 

rob9872

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #61
fatso said:
If you've got Cyrille in your best ever city team ahead of Mike Ferguson, your either very young or very fucking stupid.
As for assists, Ferguson was king of them!
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Is Mike any relation to Mick?
And if you can't see Cyrille's quality then you don't understand football and have no right to call anyone stupid.... you absolute fkn moron!
 

fatso

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #62
rob9872 said:
Is Mike any relation to Mick?
And if you can't see Cyrille's quality then you don't understand football and have no right to call anyone stupid.... you absolute fkn moron!
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I’m more than well aware of the qualities of Regis, my point was about goals.
but It’s pointless arguing anything with a complete cock like you though.
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #63
fatso said:
Listen mate, no fucker EVER mentions Allan Shearer, and talks about the throw ins he’s taken, or the players he’s marked at corners, or the tackles he’s put in on the half way line!
Strikers are all about goals, nothing but goals, goals are what they are bought in to score, and goals are what they are judged on, nothing more than goals, nothing less than goals, Goals matter, goals win matches, it’s all about goals !!! End of, Period.





GOALS!
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I see what you are saying Fatso and I don't think you are alone in this view.

But forward partnerships are important and in the context of partnerships it's often about creating space, link up play and creating chances. None of these factors would register purely in goals scored.

For example, Sheringham in my opinion was fantastic but scored only 1 in 3. Heskey who Owen loved playing with scored only 1 in 5. Both made teams tick and partnerships work.

Closer to home the Max and McNulty partnership another good example. Max created space for McNulty and was vital in our link up play.

As you've also said below Wallace and Ferguson was an amazing partnership as they complemented each other and both scored a hatful - and that was also a reflection of one of the most dynamic and attacking teams in the history of our club.

Re: players I've seen on the pitch for City it's hard to decide on our best ever strike partnership: either Wallace/Ferguson or Dublin/Huckerby. Now that's a tough call.
 

fatso

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #64
DannyThomas_1981 said:
I see what you are saying Fatso and I don't think you are alone in this view.

But forward partnerships are important and in the context of partnerships it's often about creating space, link up play and creating chances. None of these factors would register purely in goals scored.

For example, Sheringham in my opinion was fantastic but scored only 1 in 3. Heskey who Owen loved playing with scored only 1 in 5. Both made teams tick and partnerships work.

Closer to home the Max and McNulty partnership another good example. Max created space for McNulty and was vital in our link up play.

As you've also said below Wallace and Ferguson was an amazing partnership as they complemented each other and both scored a hatful - and that was also a reflection of one of the most dynamic and attacking teams in the history of our club.

Re: players I've seen on the pitch for City it's hard to decide on our best ever strike partnership: either Wallace/Ferguson or Dublin/Huckerby. Now that's a tough call.
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Agreed, a very tough call.
I get what your saying about partnerships, but in a partnership, one of the two has to be the one who’s getting the goals, and getting enough for the pair of them. (As MM did when partnering Biamou in the second half of the promotion season.)
At the moment any good play by a centre forward is going unrewarded, as no one is scoring consistently.
That’s partly to do with the formation, (not playing two centrally, and leaving Goden or whoever isolated, imho). And partly to do with poor finishing or bad decision making.
Either way, something will have to change if we are to continue to keep in touch with the playoff places.
 
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rob9872

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #65
fatso said:
I’m more than well aware of the qualities of Regis, my point was about goals.
but It’s pointless arguing anything with a complete cock like you though.
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As you're a complete c**t I'll take that as a badge of honour
 

fatso

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #66
rob9872 said:
As you're a complete c**t I'll take that as a badge of honour
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That just sums you up perfectly.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #67
fatso said:
If you've got Cyrille in your best ever city team ahead of Mike Ferguson, your either very young or very fucking stupid.
As for assists, Ferguson was king of them!
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I’d have Cyrille just ahead of Fergie. I loved the Ferguson, Wallace team and I really enjoyed watching Fergie dominate in the air. I have never seen a player able to direct a header from difficult high balls in the way that he did. I would have to say that Cyrille was the better all round player. Ironic that you picked Fergie as he was a real team player and was not exactly prolific in the goals he scored. Like Cyrille, his all round play was superb and gives the lie to your statement that strikers are only judged on goals. Both of these players had a lot more to their game.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #68
Regis has had a mixed career - in the first two seasons by his own admission he was dreadful - at one point I think he went 25 games without a goal and did little else

thanks to Sillett he turned it round - he admits without him his career was in the gutter - it’s an illustration of Sillett and his coaching ability above anything else
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #69
Irish Sky Blue said:
I’d have Cyrille just ahead of Fergie. I loved the Ferguson, Wallace team and I really enjoyed watching Fergie dominate in the air. I have never seen a player able to direct a header from difficult high balls in the way that he did. I would have to say that Cyrille was the better all round player. Ironic that you picked Fergie as he was a real team player and was not exactly prolific in the goals he scored. Like Cyrille, his all round play was superb and gives the lie to your statement that strikers are only judged on goals. Both of these players had a lot more to their game.
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Was there 2 Fergusons - the one I remember scored a goal virtually every other game
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Nov 8, 2019
  • #70
Cyrille Regis played for England and had a FA cup winners medal, enough said.
 
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