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italiahorse

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #911
Nick said:
What about Matchday Costs, it isn't a flat £100k and that's it is it?
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Is that policing etc ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #912
italiahorse said:
Is that policing etc ?
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No, Matchday Costs for the Ricoh.

Again, pretty obvious what I meant.
 

italiahorse

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #913
Nick said:
No, Matchday Costs for the Ricoh.

Again, pretty obvious what I meant.
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So policing is not a match day cost ?
You really struggle getting points over concisely.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #914
italiahorse said:
So policing is not a match day cost ?
You really struggle getting points over concisely.
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No, you really struggle to understand or you choose not to.

I am talking about Matchday costs paid to ACL / Wasps, obviously.
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #915
Italia needs to get himself to the doctors, seems a struggle to understand simple statements.
Symptoms of dementia - NHS.UK

Throwing out 'we only pay 100K' is hugely misleading. The figure you really want is how much in total ACL charge CCFC to use the Ricoh for a few hours on 20-something occasions a year.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #916
italiahorse said:
Fisher quoted to the press that they wouldn't pay it.
Who did Gidney quote it to ?
Fisher ?
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Gidney verbally told him yes. Point is though you quote fisher in the press when he says they would have done the wasps deal but now dismiss a conversation that did take place.

It’s worth remembering that conversation occurred when the view of fisher was generally a positive one. At the time even the anti ccfc PWKH states he was the best chairman he’d seen for 20 years.
 

italiahorse

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #917
chiefdave said:
Italia needs to get himself to the doctors, seems a struggle to understand simple statements.
Symptoms of dementia - NHS.UK

Throwing out 'we only pay 100K' is hugely misleading. The figure you really want is how much in total ACL charge CCFC to use the Ricoh for a few hours on 20-something occasions a year.
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So I ask again are the police in matchday costs ?
It’s a simple question !
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #918
Nick said:
No, you really struggle to understand or you choose not to.

I am talking about Matchday costs paid to ACL / Wasps, obviously.
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So you now clarify it with costs to ACL.
In my mind matchday costs include everything CCFC pay to put a match on.
Anyone know the details ?
....... nope
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #919
italiahorse said:
So I ask again are the police in matchday costs ?
It’s a simple question !
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We were talking about the Matchday Costs to Wasps / Landlords....

Obviously the policing will be paid as a Matchday cost
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #920
italiahorse said:
So you now clarify it with costs to ACL.
In my mind matchday costs include everything CCFC pay to put a match on.
Anyone know the details ?
....... nope
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Again, it was quite obvious about things paid to ACL on matchdays as I said it isn't just £100k and that's it like you tried to make out.

Why do you keep trying to miss the point as much as you can?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #921
italiahorse said:
So you now clarify it with costs to ACL.
In my mind matchday costs include everything CCFC pay to put a match on.
Anyone know the details ?
....... nope
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Policing is a separate cost.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #922
Nobody really knows then.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #923
italiahorse said:
Nobody really knows then.
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I know we don't just pay £100k a year and that's it, which is what you tried to make out...
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #924
italiahorse said:
Nobody really knows then.
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It’s a separate cost I’ve just told you.
 

italiahorse

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #925
Grendel said:
Gidney verbally told him yes. Point is though you quote fisher in the press when he says they would have done the wasps deal but now dismiss a conversation that did take place.

It’s worth remembering that conversation occurred when the view of fisher was generally a positive one. At the time even the anti ccfc PWKH states he was the best chairman he’d seen for 20 years.
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A Fisher quote to the press is equivalent to a private conversation ?
Okay
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #926
italiahorse said:
A Fisher quote to the press is equivalent to a private conversation ?
Okay
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It's actually a Fisher quote to the Trust isn't it about the £24m stuff? Pretty much the same.
 

italiahorse

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #927
Nick said:
I know we don't just pay £100k a year and that's it, which is what you tried to make out...
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I said we pay £100K rent. Never mentioned matchday costs. Read back
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #928
italiahorse said:
I said we pay £100K rent. Never mentioned matchday costs. Read back
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No, that's why I mentioned them because you tried to make out it was just £100k a year so it's a bargain.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #929
italiahorse said:
So I ask again are the police in matchday costs ?
It’s a simple question !
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Well the first problem is, as has been discussed on here numerous times, is there is no formal definition of matchday costs but for the purposes of this question I will assume you mean money the club pays out for the provision of services on a matchday.

The majority of the full cost policing for football is met by the taxpayer. The football club is only liable for their own footprint. Between the police and the safety officer a decision will be made in advance regarding the category of policing required an the relevant numbers supplied. Increasingly clubs are pushing for this to change as the numbers of police they are being allocated and billed for is, they claim, disproportionate to the incidences of crowd disturbance and arrests. The club will then directly provide the relevant number of stewards and they will be paid directly by the club.

Now of course its immediately obvious that for us there are two issues. Firstly we no longer have our own safety officer so the person deciding on the level of policing required will not be looking at it from the perspective of the football club. Similarly both that safety officer and the stewards provided by ACL will be recharged to the football club at a premium.

Which parts you want to define matchday costs and which you wish to define non-matchday costs is entirely subjective. Hence why I said in an earlier post the key figure is the total cost to the club of staging the games. If the rent was £10K a game and ACL defined matchday costs as an additional £5K people such as yourself could shout about what a fantastic deal we have. But if there were additional costs invoiced over the season by ACL that averaged £85K a game would it still be a great deal? The rent and matchday costs would still be low.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #930
italiahorse said:
I said we pay £100K rent. Never mentioned matchday costs. Read back
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That's the point. People go on about the £100K rent like it covers everything. It doesn't.
 

italiahorse

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #931
Nick said:
No, that's why I mentioned them because you tried to make out it was just £100k a year so it's a bargain.
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It is a bargain.
The other matchday costs I guess are something the club would need to pay regardless.
I know they exist but I don’t know what they are. I suggest they would be at cost.
Did I see the annual police bill was £100k for CCFC and zero for Wasps ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #932
italiahorse said:
It is a bargain.
The other matchday costs I guess are something the club would need to pay regardless.
I know they exist but I don’t know what they are. I suggest they would be at cost.
Did I see the annual police bill was £100k for CCFC and zero for Wasps ?
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Again, what's the police bill got to do with anything?

What makes you suggest they would be at cost and why?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #933
italiahorse said:
The other matchday costs I guess are something the club would need to pay regardless.
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This is where the confusion comes in. People assume that all clubs pay the same in matchday costs and it would be something the club pays irrespective of who owns the ground.
italiahorse said:
I know they exist but I don’t know what they are. I suggest they would be at cost.
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italiahorse said:
Did I see the annual police bill was £100k for CCFC and zero for Wasps ?
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Its about £50K a season, or at least it was. God knows how its worked out. According to the Met West Ham's ground is the most expensive to police in London and they paid £33K.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #934
italiahorse said:
A Fisher quote to the press is equivalent to a private conversation ?
Okay
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So every fisher quote to the press you consider accurate?
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #935
italiahorse said:
I've been studying the Wasps 150 year History book (signed copy) and other than my name being printed in it I notice that London Wasps was the name of the club for only 15 years of the 150.

My local team is Coventry Welsh until Wasps move their training ground there.
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Your such a complete bell end and conveniently miss that fact it was their home for more than 100 years. Your are either dumb or just enjoy acting it most of the time.
 
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Moff

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #936
italiahorse said:
We can have all three doing well together surely? Win Win for the city.
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The win win is CCFC and CRFC doing well. The other team aren't a Coventry Club.
 
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stupot07

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #937
italiahorse said:
So I ask again are the police in matchday costs ?
It’s a simple question !
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We pay the police directly, they're nothing to do with thr match day costs we pay to wasps

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italiahorse

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #938
Moff said:
Your such a complete bell end and conveniently miss that fact it was their home for more than 100 years. Your are either dumb or just enjoy acting it most of the time.
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I enjoy giving back as much as I take ?
Things have changed and you are still struggling with stage 3.
I'm at stage 7.

http://www.thwink.org/sustain/glossary/documents/CycleOfAcceptance_Diagram.pdf


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Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2018
  • #939
italiahorse said:
I enjoy giving back as much as I take ?
Things have changed and you are still struggling with stage 3.
I'm at stage 7.

http://www.thwink.org/sustain/glossary/documents/CycleOfAcceptance_Diagram.pdf
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I think you are either confused or just stupid....perhaps both. I am just pointing out the facts. Being factual is acceptance, you ought to try it sometime. Stating wasps were based in London for over 100 years is fact.

To bend the truth, mask facts, and just post what's in your head as the truth clearly puts you at 3.

The fact you cant even get it right just shows the depths you go to, to try to get one upmanship. To post a link to such a childish chart is also pretty pathetic. What a sad little man you are.
 
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italiahorse

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  • Apr 1, 2018
  • #940
Moff said:
Stating wasps were based in London for over 100 years is fact.
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We were talking about the name though.
Only 15 years out of 150 having the London tag to separate it from the amateur team.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2018
  • #941
italiahorse said:
We were talking about the name though.
Only 15 years out of 150 having the London tag to separate it from the amateur team.
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Yes I agree about the name, but I was pointing out where they had been based. We can argue semantics but I guess we are both right or agree to disagree, which is better than insulting each other
 
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italiahorse

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  • Apr 1, 2018
  • #942
Moff said:
Yes I agree about the name, but I was pointing out where they had been based. We can argue semantics but I guess we are both right or agree to disagree, which is better than insulting each other
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Insults ? Nope just discussion with alcohol involved for me
Well the evening ones are.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Apr 5, 2018
  • #943
Nick said:
No, you really struggle to understand or you choose not to.

I am talking about Matchday costs paid to ACL / Wasps, obviously.
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If I remember rightly Fisher once said it was around £10K per match, since that remark there will have been some inflation but also the club often closes the North stand to save on costs.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 5, 2018
  • #944
Captain Dart said:
If I remember rightly Fisher once said it was around £10K per match, since that remark there will have been some inflation but also the club often closes the North stand to save on costs.
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"Often"...?
 
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edgy

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #945
trueskyblue82 said:
Some city fans are pathetic towards Wasps. The blame of our current plight lies with Richardson, Robinson and more over SISU. Had a season ticket with city for 25 years before Northampton, haven’t and won’t be back until SISU have gone, as much as it hurts.

Had a season ticket with wasps since they came, they run a club properly, treat the fans right and it’s top class rugby on the door step.

I hate what’s happened to city but it’s not wasps fault.
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Oops.
 
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