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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 3:42 PM
  • #3,956
Captain Dart said:
It has been said she took the legal advice to plead guilty believing it was the surest and quickest way to return to her family life and 12 yr old daughter, but it was turned out to be quite the opposite.
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Read the transcript and then come back on and comment on the facts not your prejudice
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 3:44 PM
  • #3,957
Gynnsthetonic said:
So you’re happy with that. They released prisoners early so proper criminals out and replaced them with people like her. Glad your happy
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I value your opinion and you but please read the transcript and then come back and debate
You’re better than the current comments
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 3:45 PM
  • #3,958
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf
 

Captain Dart

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  • Tuesday at 3:58 PM
  • #3,959
Has she a history of formenting trouble and advocating violence? If not I cannot believe the sentence imposed and served so far is not excessively punative.

No I am not going to waste my time reading a transcript, post the salient points that convinced you if you want.

When someone like Nick Griffin never went to prison but Connelly has I don't think you understand how far the British justice system has been turned into a political weapon to silence dissent and freedom of speech even if offensive.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 4:04 PM
  • #3,960
Captain Dart said:
Has she a history of formenting trouble and advocating violence? If not I cannot believe the sentence imposed and served so far is not excessively punative.

No I am not going to waste my time reading a transcript, post the salient points that convinced you if you want.

When someone like Nick Griffin never went to prison but Connelly has I don't think you understand how far the British justice system has been turned into a political weapon to silence dissent and freedom of speech even if offensive.
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Love it
I’m not willing to read 13 pages that answers all the questions I’m raising just in case I look like a prick
Jog on
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 4:27 PM
  • #3,961
Sky Blue Pete said:
Love it
I’m not willing to read 13 pages that answers all the questions I’m raising just in case I look like a prick
Jog on
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Shots fired by Pete, maybe if I was you I’d go back and view some of the comments you were making about things being ‘inhuman’ was a disgrace
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 4:39 PM
  • #3,962
Captain Dart said:
Has she a history of formenting trouble and advocating violence? If not I cannot believe the sentence imposed and served so far is not excessively punative.

No I am not going to waste my time reading a transcript, post the salient points that convinced you if you want.

When someone like Nick Griffin never went to prison but Connelly has I don't think you understand how far the British justice system has been turned into a political weapon to silence dissent and freedom of speech even if offensive.
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What the fuck are you talking about? She wasn't stating a public opinion she was inciting violence. Griffin never said anything as stark as that.

The powers used to convict her were brought in 1986 by Maggie Thatcher's government, the relevant section remains unchanged in England since then. Are you saying that she made the British justice system a political weapon to silence dissent and freedom of speech?

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 4:47 PM
  • #3,963
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Shots fired by Pete, maybe if I was you I’d go back and view some of the comments you were making about things being ‘inhuman’ was a disgrace
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Why?
Point them out and I’m happy to explain myself
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 4:47 PM
  • #3,964
fernandopartridge said:
What the fuck are you talking about? She wasn't stating a public opinion she was inciting violence. Griffin never said anything as stark as that.

The powers used to convict her were brought in 1986 by Maggie Thatcher's government, the relevant section remains unchanged in England since then. Are you saying that she made the British justice system a political weapon to silence dissent and freedom of speech?

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Sentencing guidelines were updated in 2020 too
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Tuesday at 4:48 PM
  • #3,965
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why?
Point them out and I’m happy to explain myself
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The whole situation saying it’s inhuman to let that scumbag have boiling water and then you getting all defensive
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 4:54 PM
  • #3,966
SkyBlueDom26 said:
The whole situation saying it’s inhuman to let that scumbag have boiling water and then you getting all defensive
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Pretty sure I stand by all I said about risk and how this is managed when someone is in prison for I think 55 years.
Think I was suggesting it was inhuman not to give him access to a hot drink
James timpson has already ensured kitchens like that one are not allowed for that sort of prisoner. Marvellous whataboutery though
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Tuesday at 4:56 PM
  • #3,967
Sky Blue Pete said:
Think I was suggesting it was inhuman not to give him access to a hot drink
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The fucker shouldn’t even have access to cold water let alone a hot drink after what he did, ridiculous comment again from yourself
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 4:57 PM
  • #3,968
fernandopartridge said:
What the fuck are you talking about? She wasn't stating a public opinion she was inciting violence. Griffin never said anything as stark as that.

The powers used to convict her were brought in 1986 by Maggie Thatcher's government, the relevant section remains unchanged in England since then. Are you saying that she made the British justice system a political weapon to silence dissent and freedom of speech?

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And ……..

This was an appeal on the grounds she was mis advised by her solicitor she wasn’t
It was found incredible that an intelligent lady who articulated her case well would have not understood the waiver she signed and claimed her solicitor didn’t give her the appropriate advice

Looks extremely logical and reasonable that she was aware of the sentence level when pleading guilty and that she was pleading guilty to inciting racial hatred at the highest level on statute

Irrespective I’m still troubled by a prison sentence for words however heinous but the law is the law
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 4:58 PM
  • #3,969
SkyBlueDom26 said:
The fucker shouldn’t even have access to cold water let alone a hot drink after what he did, ridiculous comment again from yourself
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Ok yep the hang em flog em brigade whataboutery. How do you manage that person. You’ve no idea have you
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 4:59 PM
  • #3,970
Sky Blue Pete said:
Sentencing guidelines were updated in 2020 too
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I think people feel the sentence doesn't reflect the crime, I'm not saying that a crime wasn't committed, clearly it was.
But (imo) releasing other prisoners, some of whom have committed far worse offenses and then imprisoning a mother for a post seems to be very OTT.

How many of us have said something in the heat of the moment that we later regret,
(Like "will you marry me")

In this case, once you post on the cesspit of social media, it's there for everyone to see.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Tuesday at 5:04 PM
  • #3,971
Gynnsthetonic said:
Because he's the Prime Minister allegedly, he was telling the judges what sentences to hand out
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Wouldn’t that be the Public Order Act 1986?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Tuesday at 5:04 PM
  • #3,972
fatso said:
I think people feel the sentence doesn't reflect the crime, I'm not saying that a crime wasn't committed, clearly it was.
But (imo) releasing other prisoners, some of whom have committed far worse offenses and then imprisoning a mother for a post seems to be very OTT.

How many of us have said something in the heat of the moment that we later regret,
(Like "will you marry me")

In this case, once you post on the cesspit of social media, it's there for everyone to see.
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a mother
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 5:05 PM
  • #3,973
fatso said:
I think people feel the sentence doesn't reflect the crime, I'm not saying that a crime wasn't committed, clearly it was.
But (imo) releasing other prisoners, some of whom have committed far worse offenses and then imprisoning a mother for a post seems to be very OTT.

How many of us have said something in the heat of the moment that we later regret,
(Like "will you marry me")

In this case, once you post on the cesspit of social media, it's there for everyone to see.
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Agree with all of that
The transcript makes it clear why the lowest level is 3 years
 
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SBT

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  • Tuesday at 5:05 PM
  • #3,974
fatso said:
How many of us have said something in the heat of the moment that we later regret,
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I would hazard a guess that not many of us have called for the burning down of migrant accommodation during a period of widespread racist violence.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Tuesday at 5:06 PM
  • #3,975
Sky Blue Pete said:
Ok yep the hang em flog em brigade whataboutery. How do you manage that person. You’ve no idea have you
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Absolutely embarrassing once again, get a fucking grip
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 5:06 PM
  • #3,976
shmmeee said:
a mother
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That’s part of the inconsistency of the defence and mitigation and the appeal

She’s really suffered losing her child and understands how those affected feel so didn’t empathise but sought to inflame the situation and cause more distress and fear
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 5:06 PM
  • #3,977
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Absolutely embarrassing once again, get a fucking grip
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Your opinion
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 5:07 PM
  • #3,978
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Absolutely embarrassing once again, get a fucking grip
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Any comment on what we’re discussing
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:07 PM
  • #3,979
SBT said:
I would hazard a guess that not many of us have called for the burning down of migrant accommodation during a period of widespread racist violence.
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I think even fewer of us would of acted upon a social media post
 
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shmmeee

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  • Tuesday at 5:08 PM
  • #3,980
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s part of the inconsistency of the defence and mitigation and the appeal

She’s really suffered losing her child and understands how those affected feel so didn’t empathise but sought to inflame the situation and cause more distress and fear
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Maybe she’ll reconsider breaking the law next time. No time for people inciting violence during an active riot. Sorry.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:09 PM
  • #3,981
fatso said:
I think even fewer of us would of acted upon a social media post
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Trying to incite violence is a crime. Sorry.
 
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SBT

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  • Tuesday at 5:10 PM
  • #3,982
shmmeee said:
a mother
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Seems like Connolly wasn’t the only one trying to “play the mental health card”.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:13 PM
  • #3,983
Has she shown any remorse since doing it?
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:14 PM
  • #3,984
SBT said:
Trying to incite violence is a crime. Sorry.
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It is, and if you read my first post above, you'd see I say as much.
But the punishment has to fit the crime.
Was anybody motivated to burn down a hotel purely on the strength of one social media post that was seen by hardly anyone?
It's not even as if she had any followers.

And let's remember, Starmer was the man who refused to prosecute Jimmy Saville, even when presented with overwhelming evidence.

2 tier justice system?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:16 PM
  • #3,985
fatso said:
And let's remember, Starmer was the man who refused to prosecute Jimmy Saville, even when presented with overwhelming evidence.

2 tier justice system?
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2 tier fact system it seems. That’s simply untrue.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:16 PM
  • #3,986
The part of her defence that relates to mistrust of persons of authority is strange for somebody married to a Tory councillor imo
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:20 PM
  • #3,987
shmmeee said:
2 tier fact system it seems. That’s simply untrue.
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I disagree,

But how about Starmer's refusal to sanction a full public enquiry into the Muslim rape gangs???

You can be locked up for a post, but don't even get investigated properly for organised sexual abuse and rape of under age girls?
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:21 PM
  • #3,988
fatso said:
I disagree,

But how about Starmer's refusal to sanction a full public enquiry into the Muslim rape gangs???

You can be locked up for a post, but don't even get investigated properly for organised sexual abuse and rape of under age girls?
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What are you seeking to get out of such an inquiry that has not already been investigated and reported upon?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:23 PM
  • #3,989
fatso said:
It is, and if you read my first post above, you'd see I say as much.
But the punishment has to fit the crime.
Was anybody motivated to burn down a hotel purely on the strength of one social media post that was seen by hardly anyone?
It's not even as if she had any followers.
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She has thousands of followers and the post was shared almost a thousand times, viewed by hundreds of thousands of people.

Whether or not someone acted on her deranged calls for violence does not diminish the seriousness of the crime - it would only make it worse.
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Tuesday at 5:30 PM
  • #3,990
fernandopartridge said:
What are you seeking to get out of such an inquiry that has not already been investigated and reported upon?
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Justice for the victims would be a start.

We know the horrendous crimes were committed, why were there no prosecutions when the perpetrators are known to the police?
 
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