Mr T - Sukka!
Active Member
Duh! Duh! Duh! Another one bites the dust!
sorry but its a PR game again! no chance of ricoh return, i am new here, i am not sisu or acl, i'm a city fan and thats all. But i do have a little legal knowledge. I can assure you of two matters of fact.
1. the council are in trouble with the judicial review, sisu are very likely to win this time around, though it will most likely be after about 6 months of legal tangling yet.
2. the so called offer of talks is a cruel but understandable gimmick being played on by both sides to gather the fans backing, there is no intention of either party backing down as the situation is not salvageable.
To be blunt if we use the analogy of a boxing match we are in the 12th round and each boxer is about to fall to the floor, what do you do? there is no point either boxer simply bending to his knees after 11 rounds and simply give up the fight! no they both slug it out knowing they could lose, but its the only choice.
The council in my opinion will lose this battle, or they will at least be the side begging the club to buy or rent. I have been informed by Mr Fisher that the club is never going to rent the Ricoh and the Ex Council Leader Mr Mutton told me the council will never sell. The key is the Judicial Review, if the Judge agrees with the big boy barristers for Otium over the cheaper Barristers for the council (not forgetting ACL), and my personal opinion for all thats worth, the council illegally provided ACL with monies from the public to the tune of £14 million without any public consultation at all, and only with the intention of forcing a way forward in what was a completely lawful battle of wits between sisu and acl at the time regards Rent - then i believe you will find the council facing some astronomical amounts of costs and fines etc..
I hope I'm proven wrong as both sides are completely ruining the club, however I also have wish that we see out at least 1 year at sixfields, i have to admit, i love it there, the atmosphere may not be of the old days at Highfield Road but then at least it is not as horribly downbeat and tense as the Ricoh. The team seem to be shining due tot he lack of pressure on them at Sixfields, and the closeness to the pitch, the management and players is a real added bonus. If it aint broke dont fix it, thats the number one rule in life.
I also like the Mr Fisher and the rest of the Coventry City so called bigwigs sit with us, and they are approachable, I have found Mr Fisher and his wife to be lovely people who are human, some of the rubbish thrown at them is out of order. If you dont want to go to Sixfields that is your choice, but on the field Otium, Sisu, whatever you want to call them are getting it right. I support Otium, the team, the Club! When will other people see what this city Council is doing to our club? wake up - open your eyes
I think True Sky Blues point was that the judicial review would be made again, no no no you all shouted that cant be done, they would need to appeal. Well you were all wrong and TSB was right after all! now they have submitted the new JR Claim and this time they can avoid the strike out from last time. Thats the way to do JRs. TSB if i remember did explain about the public consultation process being flawed on this particular occasion making the payment/agreement unlawful. I think i agree with TSB the council cannot use large amounts of monies from the taxes (not grants) (not euro grants) to prop up or steady a business it owns or has part ownership in - you will see. SISU do not fuck around, look at Ms Seppalas background - they do this for a living - JRs - Takeovers- forcing businesses into the ground to overpower them, using the lawful methods to do so - - you are all going to be very surprised by the outcome of all of this i promise you, the council are heading for their worst shit storm ever
The key thing is that Sisu have a good track record in court cases. They are a lot of things but legally naive isn't one of them.
Will they win? Who knows, but they obviously think they have a chance else they wouldn't be chucking money at it.
Might be a gamble. Based on a business acquisition plan?
what a lot of silly boy childish remarks, lots of swearing from little men.
I know what im on about, ill be proven correct absolutely. The judicial review by the way is a NEW REVIEW not an appeal, therefore there is no need to prove the first JR Judge was plainly wrong. I think another member here some time ago tried to explain that to some of the numb brains here and you didnt get it that time either! he was correct though
I want to know this posters legal experience since to me his comments seem to be sh-t.
I want to know this posters legal experience since to me his comments seem to be sh-t.
sorry to blow a hole in your bubble the JR is an appeal nothing more they can't bring a new one as the old one is still ongoing donkey brain
Both wrong actually. It's only a hearing to decide if a judicial review is granted.
sorry but its a PR game again! no chance of ricoh return, i am new here, i am not sisu or acl, i'm a city fan and thats all. But i do have a little legal knowledge. I can assure you of two matters of fact.
1. the council are in trouble with the judicial review, sisu are very likely to win this time around, though it will most likely be after about 6 months of legal tangling yet.
2. the so called offer of talks is a cruel but understandable gimmick being played on by both sides to gather the fans backing, there is no intention of either party backing down as the situation is not salvageable.
To be blunt if we use the analogy of a boxing match we are in the 12th round and each boxer is about to fall to the floor, what do you do? there is no point either boxer simply bending to his knees after 11 rounds and simply give up the fight! no they both slug it out knowing they could lose, but its the only choice.
The council in my opinion will lose this battle, or they will at least be the side begging the club to buy or rent. I have been informed by Mr Fisher that the club is never going to rent the Ricoh and the Ex Council Leader Mr Mutton told me the council will never sell. The key is the Judicial Review, if the Judge agrees with the big boy barristers for Otium over the cheaper Barristers for the council (not forgetting ACL), and my personal opinion for all thats worth, the council illegally provided ACL with monies from the public to the tune of £14 million without any public consultation at all, and only with the intention of forcing a way forward in what was a completely lawful battle of wits between sisu and acl at the time regards Rent - then i believe you will find the council facing some astronomical amounts of costs and fines etc..
I hope I'm proven wrong as both sides are completely ruining the club, however I also have wish that we see out at least 1 year at sixfields, i have to admit, i love it there, the atmosphere may not be of the old days at Highfield Road but then at least it is not as horribly downbeat and tense as the Ricoh. The team seem to be shining due tot he lack of pressure on them at Sixfields, and the closeness to the pitch, the management and players is a real added bonus. If it aint broke dont fix it, thats the number one rule in life.
I also like the Mr Fisher and the rest of the Coventry City so called bigwigs sit with us, and they are approachable, I have found Mr Fisher and his wife to be lovely people who are human, some of the rubbish thrown at them is out of order. If you dont want to go to Sixfields that is your choice, but on the field Otium, Sisu, whatever you want to call them are getting it right. I support Otium, the team, the Club! When will other people see what this city Council is doing to our club? wake up - open your eyes
I think you may well be right but who knows? Will be there on Saturday, best of luck to Steven & the Boys.
PUSB!
I think True Sky Blues point was that the judicial review would be made again, no no no you all shouted that cant be done, they would need to appeal. Well you were all wrong and TSB was right after all! now they have submitted the new JR Claim and this time they can avoid the strike out from last time. Thats the way to do JRs. TSB if i remember did explain about the public consultation process being flawed on this particular occasion making the payment/agreement unlawful. I think i agree with TSB the council cannot use large amounts of monies from the taxes (not grants) (not euro grants) to prop up or steady a business it owns or has part ownership in - you will see. SISU do not fuck around, look at Ms Seppalas background - they do this for a living - JRs - Takeovers- forcing businesses into the ground to overpower them, using the lawful methods to do so - - you are all going to be very surprised by the outcome of all of this i promise you, the council are heading for their worst shit storm ever
sorry but its a PR game again! no chance of ricoh return, i am new here, i am not sisu or acl, i'm a city fan and thats all. But i do have a little legal knowledge. I can assure you of two matters of fact.
1. the council are in trouble with the judicial review, sisu are very likely to win this time around, though it will most likely be after about 6 months of legal tangling yet.
2. the so called offer of talks is a cruel but understandable gimmick being played on by both sides to gather the fans backing, there is no intention of either party backing down as the situation is not salvageable.
To be blunt if we use the analogy of a boxing match we are in the 12th round and each boxer is about to fall to the floor, what do you do? there is no point either boxer simply bending to his knees after 11 rounds and simply give up the fight! no they both slug it out knowing they could lose, but its the only choice.
The council in my opinion will lose this battle, or they will at least be the side begging the club to buy or rent. I have been informed by Mr Fisher that the club is never going to rent the Ricoh and the Ex Council Leader Mr Mutton told me the council will never sell. The key is the Judicial Review, if the Judge agrees with the big boy barristers for Otium over the cheaper Barristers for the council (not forgetting ACL), and my personal opinion for all thats worth, the council illegally provided ACL with monies from the public to the tune of £14 million without any public consultation at all, and only with the intention of forcing a way forward in what was a completely lawful battle of wits between sisu and acl at the time regards Rent - then i believe you will find the council facing some astronomical amounts of costs and fines etc..
I hope I'm proven wrong as both sides are completely ruining the club, however I also have wish that we see out at least 1 year at sixfields, i have to admit, i love it there, the atmosphere may not be of the old days at Highfield Road but then at least it is not as horribly downbeat and tense as the Ricoh. The team seem to be shining due tot he lack of pressure on them at Sixfields, and the closeness to the pitch, the management and players is a real added bonus. If it aint broke dont fix it, thats the number one rule in life.
I also like the Mr Fisher and the rest of the Coventry City so called bigwigs sit with us, and they are approachable, I have found Mr Fisher and his wife to be lovely people who are human, some of the rubbish thrown at them is out of order. If you dont want to go to Sixfields that is your choice, but on the field Otium, Sisu, whatever you want to call them are getting it right. I support Otium, the team, the Club! When will other people see what this city Council is doing to our club? wake up - open your eyes
The council in my opinion will lose this battle, or they will at least be the side begging the club to buy or rent. I have been informed by Mr Fisher that the club is never going to rent the Ricoh and the Ex Council Leader Mr Mutton told me the council will never sell. The key is the Judicial Review, if the Judge agrees with the big boy barristers for Otium over the cheaper Barristers for the council (not forgetting ACL), and my personal opinion for all thats worth, the council illegally provided ACL with monies from the public to the tune of £14 million without any public consultation at all, and only with the intention of forcing a way forward in what was a completely lawful battle of wits between sisu and acl at the time regards Rent - then i believe you will find the council facing some astronomical amounts of costs and fines etc..
wake up - open your eyes
but the costs are nothing to Sisu!! they can brush that off. it is a new claim as far as i know
Mr Justice Males' reasons for refusing permission for the application to proceed to a full judicial review state.
"I am not persuaded that there is an arguable case that the loan by the council constituted an unlawful state aid.
"It was made on commercial terms, in order to protect the council's investment in ACL, in circumstances where ACL's bank was threatening to hold ACL in default.
"The alternatives would appear to have been either the insolvency of ACL which (largely because the claimants had caused rent to be withheld as a means of exerting pressure in the commercial negotiations, which had led to an unsatisfied judgment of the High Court in ACL's favour) was not in a position to pay the loan, or acceptance of the claimants' proposals which the council did not consider to be in its commercial interests.
"It is clear from public statements made by members of the council, in particular councillor Mutton, that at least some members (of the council) have a strong animosity towards the claimants.
"However, I do not accept that this demonstrates that the council made its decision to offer a loan to ACL for an improper purpose or in bad faith.
"Its purpose was the legitimate commercial purpose of protecting investment in ACL.
"The claim that the decision was ultra vires (unlawful) is dependent on a showing of an improper purpose and therefore has no independent life once it is determined that the council's purpose was not improper."
His decision states, if the Sisu companies as claimants do not seek an appeal, the council's court costs should be paid by the Sisu companies.
but the costs are nothing to Sisu!! they can brush that off. it is a new claim as far as i know
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sorry but its a PR game again! no chance of ricoh return, i am new here, i am not sisu or acl, i'm a city fan and thats all. But i do have a little legal knowledge. I can assure you of two matters of fact.
1. the council are in trouble with the judicial review, sisu are very likely to win this time around, though it will most likely be after about 6 months of legal tangling yet.
2. the so called offer of talks is a cruel but understandable gimmick being played on by both sides to gather the fans backing, there is no intention of either party backing down as the situation is not salvageable.
To be blunt if we use the analogy of a boxing match we are in the 12th round and each boxer is about to fall to the floor, what do you do? there is no point either boxer simply bending to his knees after 11 rounds and simply give up the fight! no they both slug it out knowing they could lose, but its the only choice.
The council in my opinion will lose this battle, or they will at least be the side begging the club to buy or rent. I have been informed by Mr Fisher that the club is never going to rent the Ricoh and the Ex Council Leader Mr Mutton told me the council will never sell. The key is the Judicial Review, if the Judge agrees with the big boy barristers for Otium over the cheaper Barristers for the council (not forgetting ACL), and my personal opinion for all thats worth, the council illegally provided ACL with monies from the public to the tune of £14 million without any public consultation at all, and only with the intention of forcing a way forward in what was a completely lawful battle of wits between sisu and acl at the time regards Rent - then i believe you will find the council facing some astronomical amounts of costs and fines etc..
I hope I'm proven wrong as both sides are completely ruining the club, however I also have wish that we see out at least 1 year at sixfields, i have to admit, i love it there, the atmosphere may not be of the old days at Highfield Road but then at least it is not as horribly downbeat and tense as the Ricoh. The team seem to be shining due tot he lack of pressure on them at Sixfields, and the closeness to the pitch, the management and players is a real added bonus. If it aint broke dont fix it, thats the number one rule in life.
I also like the Mr Fisher and the rest of the Coventry City so called bigwigs sit with us, and they are approachable, I have found Mr Fisher and his wife to be lovely people who are human, some of the rubbish thrown at them is out of order. If you dont want to go to Sixfields that is your choice, but on the field Otium, Sisu, whatever you want to call them are getting it right. I support Otium, the team, the Club! When will other people see what this city Council is doing to our club? wake up - open your eyes
you utter twat, do one .I think True Sky Blues point was that the judicial review would be made again, no no no you all shouted that cant be done, they would need to appeal. Well you were all wrong and TSB was right after all! now they have submitted the new JR Claim and this time they can avoid the strike out from last time. Thats the way to do JRs. TSB if i remember did explain about the public consultation process being flawed on this particular occasion making the payment/agreement unlawful. I think i agree with TSB the council cannot use large amounts of monies from the taxes (not grants) (not euro grants) to prop up or steady a business it owns or has part ownership in - you will see. SISU do not fuck around, look at Ms Seppalas background - they do this for a living - JRs - Takeovers- forcing businesses into the ground to overpower them, using the lawful methods to do so - - you are all going to be very surprised by the outcome of all of this i promise you, the council are heading for their worst shit storm ever
sorry but its a PR game again! no chance of ricoh return, i am new here, i am not sisu or acl, i'm a city fan and thats all. But i do have a little legal knowledge. I can assure you of two matters of fact.
1. the council are in trouble with the judicial review, sisu are very likely to win this time around, though it will most likely be after about 6 months of legal tangling yet.
the council are in trouble with the judicial review, sisu are very likely to win this time around, though it will most likely be after about 6 months of legal tangling yet
Saw the name of the OP and immediately thought of this:
I think True Sky Blues point was that the judicial review would be made again, no no no you all shouted that cant be done, they would need to appeal. Well you were all wrong and TSB was right after all! now they have submitted the new JR Claim and this time they can avoid the strike out from last time. Thats the way to do JRs. TSB if i remember did explain about the public consultation process being flawed on this particular occasion making the payment/agreement unlawful. I think i agree with TSB the council cannot use large amounts of monies from the taxes (not grants) (not euro grants) to prop up or steady a business it owns or has part ownership in - you will see. SISU do not fuck around, look at Ms Seppalas background - they do this for a living - JRs - Takeovers- forcing businesses into the ground to overpower them, using the lawful methods to do so - - you are all going to be very surprised by the outcome of all of this i promise you, the council are heading for their worst shit storm ever
sorry but its a PR game again! no chance of ricoh return, i am new here, i am not sisu or acl, i'm a city fan and thats all. But i do have a little legal knowledge. I can assure you of two matters of fact.
1. the council are in trouble with the judicial review, sisu are very likely to win this time around, though it will most likely be after about 6 months of legal tangling yet.
2. the so called offer of talks is a cruel but understandable gimmick being played on by both sides to gather the fans backing, there is no intention of either party backing down as the situation is not salvageable.
To be blunt if we use the analogy of a boxing match we are in the 12th round and each boxer is about to fall to the floor, what do you do? there is no point either boxer simply bending to his knees after 11 rounds and simply give up the fight! no they both slug it out knowing they could lose, but its the only choice.
The council in my opinion will lose this battle, or they will at least be the side begging the club to buy or rent. I have been informed by Mr Fisher that the club is never going to rent the Ricoh and the Ex Council Leader Mr Mutton told me the council will never sell. The key is the Judicial Review, if the Judge agrees with the big boy barristers for Otium over the cheaper Barristers for the council (not forgetting ACL), and my personal opinion for all thats worth, the council illegally provided ACL with monies from the public to the tune of £14 million without any public consultation at all, and only with the intention of forcing a way forward in what was a completely lawful battle of wits between sisu and acl at the time regards Rent - then i believe you will find the council facing some astronomical amounts of costs and fines etc..
I hope I'm proven wrong as both sides are completely ruining the club, however I also have wish that we see out at least 1 year at sixfields, i have to admit, i love it there, the atmosphere may not be of the old days at Highfield Road but then at least it is not as horribly downbeat and tense as the Ricoh. The team seem to be shining due tot he lack of pressure on them at Sixfields, and the closeness to the pitch, the management and players is a real added bonus. If it aint broke dont fix it, thats the number one rule in life.
I also like the Mr Fisher and the rest of the Coventry City so called bigwigs sit with us, and they are approachable, I have found Mr Fisher and his wife to be lovely people who are human, some of the rubbish thrown at them is out of order. If you dont want to go to Sixfields that is your choice, but on the field Otium, Sisu, whatever you want to call them are getting it right. I support Otium, the team, the Club! When will other people see what this city Council is doing to our club? wake up - open your eyes
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