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PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

canleykid said:
To porkycovvy,was is it ur actually asking is there a specific question you want answering because the attendances have dropped since sisu arrived it may be a coincidence but to last four years is a statement from the fans to sisu that there shit and to piss off,one question to you do you go to games

Season ticket holder who attends most away games as well.

4 years ago peope were npt chanting SISU OUT. In that period there has been a recession and people have had to choose how to spend their disposible income wisely. It is all well voting with your feet, but it seems rather fickle for them to demand SISU show more ambition when we are stretched beyond our means even at the moment following large cost cutting. How can we fund ambition without putting the club in danger of going out of business? SISU are not sugar daddies!

wey sky blue · Mar 5, 2012

Porky i think you should make the effort to go to the meeting as it seems they would like to hear your views and discuss what has gone on at soc, if i lived closer i would like to go to the meetings to hear what is going on as i thing talking face to face is better that talking on a fourm, regards.

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

Covstu said:
Well at least he is doing something about it. Yes it may not work but sniping at every comment is hardly constructive is it?

How have I been sniping? I have asked very simple questions. And I disagree, some action is not always better than no action. Or do you support SOC protesting at the Olympic games?

To be constructive does not mean blindly support. Being constructive is the act of building something better. Do you not see how SOC addressing these very basic questions can of use to them?

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

wey sky blue said:
Porky i think you should make the effort to go to the meeting as it seems they would like to hear your views and discuss what has gone on at soc, if i lived closer i would like to go to the meetings to hear what is going on as i thing talking face to face is better that talking on a fourm, regards.

Agreed. But would it not be a fantastic gesture from SOC to answer a few questions to develop a rapport? And as you live far away how do you propose you would then find out about the meeting? This forum and GMK and even the SOC website are ideal forums to share information. SOC chooses not to. If you don't question this poilcy then you are inadvertidly supporting SOC to carry on with their business.

canleykid · Mar 5, 2012

Porkycovvy what is your proposed ideas to the solution I mean the back the boys day was clearly to show we back the team even if sisu don't,sometimes the players need the fans to get behind them,and ur right four years ago we wasn't chanting sisu out but at that time they hadn't bullshitted endlesly and stripped our club to its bare bones

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

canleykid said:
Porkycovvy what is your proposed ideas to the solution I mean the back the boys day was clearly to show we back the team even if sisu don't,sometimes the players need the fans to get behind them,and ur right four years ago we wasn't chanting sisu out but at that time they hadn't bullshitted endlesly and stripped our club to its bare bones

I am not saying a Back the Boys event isn't a positive one. I would love for every away game to be as well supported as Reading. Gary can seemingly run a very good non-profit coach travel organisation. But Gary admitted running the event consumed all of his time. I had hoped Brinner was his partner in crime but it seems Gary is going it alone and organising another Back the Boys event will take even more of Gary's time which is clearly a distraction from the action plan to remove SISU.

And to state again, SOC opposed running a Back They Boys event at the Ricoh vs Barnsley. So the SOC are selective of when they support the players.

Grendel · Mar 5, 2012

brinner said:
this is correct.

Sisu had their chance, we averaged 20000 for the 1st 10 games of their reign and were now down to 13500 average.

So in 4 years the gradual decay of the squad and lack of investment in the team has seen almost 7000 fans disappear from the average attendance and it will get worse while they remain.

Where do you get 13,500 from? It's 14,692 according to SoccerNet.com? Before SISU the decline YOY was 4% after the first season. This suggests it was the new stadium effect that was the biggest contributor. Similar declines were experienced then for the next two years with the biggest decline this season. Whatever the stats though my initial reaction was to question the 95% are actively opposed to the board. My response was people are generally apathetic either way. You are using attendance decline to support the view yet even the most negative statistic says a decline of 28% since takeover. No one can ever say the loss is entirely due to ownership and as you well know we are now back to the fanbase we had prior being at the Ricoh. I think this is a natural demand curve situation more than anything else.

wey sky blue · Mar 5, 2012

Porky sir i will back anyone who makes an effort get off there buts to do something to try and get under sisus skin whether it be soc or jans new group or even the sbt. As for finding out what has gone on at the meetings i have been to 2 and also i sit at the games with a friend who goes to them, so even with a 360 mile round trip for each home game i still can keep intouch with what is going on so if you live close i urge you to go to the meetings, regards.

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

kduffy said:
Where do you get 13,500 from? It's 14,692 according to SoccerNet.com? Before SISU the decline YOY was 4% after the first season. This suggests it was the new stadium effect that was the biggest contributor. Similar declines were experienced then for the next two years with the biggest decline this season. Whatever the stats though my initial reaction was to question the 95% are actively opposed to the board. My response was people are generally apathetic either way. You are using attendance decline to support the view yet even the most negative statistic says a decline of 28% since takeover. No one can ever say the loss is entirely due to ownership and as you well know we are now back to the fanbase we had prior being at the Ricoh. I think this is a natural demand curve situation more than anything else.

Duffy, thank you for those stats. I agree, a 28% decline is not unreasonable. I would doubt there are many clubs out there increasing their fan base at the moment due to the increase in televised football and the abillity to stream games via the internet for free.

I agree, 95% of those stay at home fans are not protesting against SISU. They are just not interested. Coventry has never had a large hardcore home following.

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

wey sky blue said:
Porky sir i will back anyone who makes an effort get off there buts to do something to try and get under sisus skin whether it be soc or jans new group or even the sbt. As for finding out what has gone on at the meetings i have been to 2 and also i sit at the games with a friend who goes to them, so even with a 360 mile round trip for each home game i still can keep intouch with what is going on so if you live close i urge you to go to the meetings, regards.

Then I would be delighted to hear your take on what has been going on at the meetings. It really would be appreciated.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying I am against going to a meeting, it is just I have been asking questions for a while now and so far I have only been met by a brick wall or abuse from Gary.

Kind regards,

wey sky blue · Mar 5, 2012

Just go to the meetings like i did i bet you dont travel 360 miles to a home game. But my take on what went on was to put as much pressure on sisu to sell if possable and then have a group inplace to hopefully take over the sbt (jans words) and hope that more fans would join so we (i use we as city fans) would try and not let the club get in the state it is in now and see our club that we are proud of get back to were (what i think we all agree) we should be in the prem. So with this please turn up if you say you will go so will i regards

canleykid · Mar 5, 2012

The back the boys day was a well organised one by Gary stubbs,a lot of work was done by Andy Armit he printed off 2000 flyers and organised 1000 balloons,and let's not forget brinner helped give them out one of the reasons the soc isn't talking is because there's not a lot to say,the club aren't talking to anyone sisu have moved offices in London to god knows where so the soc and the trust will find it hard to generate any interest at the moment because there is nothing happening,and to be honest rangers have a big supporters trust and there about as much use to the club as a chocolate teapot and there's one main reason,if you don't have any money then you don't get heard

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

I don't do a 360 mile round trip. When I am not away on business I would suspect I barely even do an 8 mile round trip.

Thank you for the insignt. But there are flaws in that plan against what SOC seem to be doing. As I have already mentioned, a Back the Boys event is not a protest action. It only eats into Gary's time. So the group at the moment are not applying any pressure. Gary has also admitted he has no idea whether Hoffman is a credible buyer. So even if pressure is applied, who will come in? How will things be different? Surely it is wreckless to go forth with such a campaign without meeting with the alternative buyers?

I am not sure about your statement that we should be in the Premier League? Based on what? Our famous fan base? Excellent youth structure? Stadium - which we do not own? Attractive football? Or just the fact that we stetched our resources too far whilst in the Premier League to create the underlying symptoms to the mess we are in now?

Would I like to be in the Premier League! Damn yes!

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

I have openly praised Gary for his hard work. I am sure the others deserve their share of priase as well. But if SOC are just going to be another arm of Travel De Courcey and offer cheap coaches then they are not an action group. There is plenty to say as well. They have been holding meetings, they have plans and people (including me) are asking direct questions to them. The fact SISU are being quiet is irrelevent as SOC refuse to speak to SISU anyway.

canleykid · Mar 5, 2012

PorkyCovvy said:
I have openly praised Gary for his hard work. I am sure the others deserve their share of priase as well. But if SOC are just going to be another arm of Travel De Courcey and offer cheap coaches then they are not an action group. There is plenty to say as well. They have been holding meetings, they have plans and people (including me) are asking direct questions to them. The fact SISU are being quiet is irrelevent as SOC refuse to speak to SISU anyway.

the coach firm that was used was johnsons by the way they were 80 cheaper than de courcey so I don't no why you keep saying decourcey and as you said you go away well how could you miss 4 Johnson's coaches and a harry shaw not one decourcey was at reading.

wey sky blue · Mar 5, 2012

Would city fans what us in the prem i think a hell yes
would we like to see the club run by people who were open and told no lies hell yes

The way i feel is that anyone but sisu would be better and if say Hoffs group do come in and run the club i dont think they would be worse.
So Porky are you going on Thursday if so i will make the effort to go a simple yes or no would do

wey sky blue · Mar 5, 2012

Well said CK

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

It is funny how those who are pro-SOC miss the point so often. I don't care whether it is Travel West Midlands, National Express, Bob's Buses or Harry Bleedin' Shaw. I was making a point about the Back the Boys haviing no part in the SOC portfolio of action if it consumes all of Gary's time.

I would consider attending the meeting if some of the simple questions laid out to them were answered.

canleykid · Mar 5, 2012

What dyu want answered,if you ask a proper question you will get an answer,also Gary chose to organise the coaches

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

canleykid said:
What dyu want answered,if you ask a proper question you will get an answer,also Gary chose to organise the coaches

Read the questons put to Brinner.

1) How does another Back the Boys event contribute to removing SISU?
2) How many people attended the last meeting?
3) Who is on the board of SOC now? - Seems unfair Gary is taking all the pressure
4) Are there still plans to protest at the Olympics?
5) Your website says the Hoffman bid is credible, but Gary admits he has no evidence to support this claim. Can you please clarify this?
6) If the Hoffman bid again fails to materialise where does this leave the campaign?

canleykid · Mar 5, 2012

PorkyCovvy said:
Read the questons put to Brinner.

1) How does another Back the Boys event contribute to removing SISU?
2) How many people attended the last meeting?
3) Who is on the board of SOC now? - Seems unfair Gary is taking all the pressure
4) Are there still plans to protest at the Olympics?
5) Your website says the Hoffman bid is credible, but Gary admits he has no evidence to support this claim. Can you please clarify this?
6) If the Hoffman bid again fails to materialise where does this leave the campaign?

back the boys was to show support to the team not remove sisu
There were 6 people at the last meeting
As far as I know only Gary and Steve are left as Andy had to travel back n forth from Derby and he does that for matches
The Olympics protest prob won't happen quite simply because stewards read this site and will put a stop to it
Gary stubbs is only saying his opinion re Hoffman which is a bit strange as he kisses his arsein the casino
If this fails well i expect were no further forward than we are now

brinner · Mar 5, 2012

PorkyCovvy said:
OK, so can you speculate to the answers of the questions? As a SOC supporter surely you have some insight?

What do you think the benefit of another Back The Boys day will have in removing SISU?

How many people turned up to the last meeting? Were you there?

as i said, pop up thursday and we can have a chinwag, i will even get Gaz to bring the minutes dfrom the last meeting for you to look at.

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

canleykid said:
back the boys was to show support to the team not remove sisu
There were 6 people at the last meeting
As far as I know only Gary and Steve are left as Andy had to travel back n forth from Derby and he does that for matches
The Olympics protest prob won't happen quite simply because stewards read this site and will put a stop to it
Gary stubbs is only saying his opinion re Hoffman which is a bit strange as he kisses his arsein the casino
If this fails well i expect were no further forward than we are now

So the change of policy to SISU OUT did not bring back the flock of supporters?

And point 1) only backs up my comments. Why does SOC need to organise another one? Surely protest action would do better in achieving their aims of removing SISU?

brinner · Mar 5, 2012

PorkyCovvy said:
Read the questons put to Brinner.

1) How does another Back the Boys event contribute to removing SISU?
2) How many people attended the last meeting?
3) Who is on the board of SOC now? - Seems unfair Gary is taking all the pressure
4) Are there still plans to protest at the Olympics?
5) Your website says the Hoffman bid is credible, but Gary admits he has no evidence to support this claim. Can you please clarify this?
6) If the Hoffman bid again fails to materialise where does this leave the campaign?

see you thursday kid, Gaz will bring the minutes from last meeting.

canleykid · Mar 5, 2012

There still supporters of coventry city and want the team to do well its a way of letting the team no that fans care It's not a bad thing porky,in all the politics that go with football were all still fans and wana support the team

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

canleykid said:
There still supporters of coventry city and want the team to do well its a way of letting the team no that fans care It's not a bad thing porky,in all the politics that go with football were all still fans and wana support the team

I agree Canley, but you are missing the point. SOC had 6 people at its last meeting and Gary has admitted he was fully consumed in organising the Reading trip. The aim of the group is to remove SISU and not to generate a fan party. Yes, the Back The Boys is great, but with SOC's limited resources, should the group not concentrate on SISU OUT action rather than Back the Boys?

canleykid · Mar 5, 2012

I'm 100% with you on that but six people couldn't get the old ladies out of gala bingo nevermind r
emove sisu

wingy · Mar 5, 2012

PorkyCovvy said:
So the change of policy to SISU OUT did not bring back the flock of supporters?

And point 1) only backs up my comments. Why does SOC need to organise another one? Surely protest action would do better in achieving their aims of removing SISU?

And what is truly your brief ,sorry beef .you want to garner all of socs aims on a public forum to aid who ,Mr sisu who read these sites ,or are you from harry Shaw ,trying to protect your financial interests .

PorkyCovvy · Mar 5, 2012

canleykid said:
I'm 100% with you on that but six people couldn't get the old ladies out of gala bingo nevermind r
emove sisu

Jan engaged with the fans and press. He put in an effort to lobby the fans for support. Gary is more interested in hunting down SISU's HQ in London.

What exactly are SOC accusing SISU of doing wrong? SISU have done nothing illegal and other owners are also running cost cutting. It is the football environment at the moment.

jabharty · Mar 5, 2012

I do agree that the SISU OUT protests are fundamental, but the Back the boys scheme at the moment seems more....logical.
Even if it has nothing to do with business, we need to show the boys that we still have the support and faith in them, and to spur them on for survival.
As for the sisu out, I agree that we should reignite all the protests. There was some great publicity with the national/regional media, and can shit on SISU's reputation (Or what they have left of it)

PorkyCovvy · Mar 6, 2012

jabharty said:
I do agree that the SISU OUT protests are fundamental, but the Back the boys scheme at the moment seems more....logical.
Even if it has nothing to do with business, we need to show the boys that we still have the support and faith in them, and to spur them on for survival.
As for the sisu out, I agree that we should reignite all the protests. There was some great publicity with the national/regional media, and can shit on SISU's reputation (Or what they have left of it)

Gary has confirmed via Twitter (follow me @PorkyCovvy) that he no longer has anything to do with SOC. He has asked me to liaise with Brinner should I have any further questions.

Gary is a top young man who has worked hard organising the Back The Boys event. He has confirmed he will look to run another one of these events should the demand be there. So if you fancy it i'd advise you to shout up on here, GMK or Twitter.

So Brinner, as one of the 5 members of SOC now left; what questions are you planning on asking the media to investigate about SISU when you (or your group) go down to London on Friday?

PorkyCovvy · Mar 6, 2012

And Brinner, can you confirm there are still discussions going on regarding protesting at the Olympics?

canleykid · Mar 6, 2012

Brinner is not on the soc board if Gary has stepped down it leaves a lad called Steve only,you don't have to be a group to protest people can make there own minds up and if people want to protest then that's there choice

PorkyCovvy · Mar 6, 2012

So Canley, even the people part of the group don't know who is running it? Surely this is another reason the campaign died a slow and public death?

canleykid · Mar 6, 2012

PorkyCovvy said:
And Brinner, can you confirm there are still discussions going on regarding protesting at the Olympics?

Pretty much mate I mean it takes up peoples time and is a lot of time for achieving not a lot

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