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So who do we think will be leaving ? (1 Viewer)

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Samo

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #36
Gibbo said:
Excluding loanees*, it is easier to say who Robins would definitely keep - there are only three (with three other possibles).

Keep: Dabo, Hamer, O'Hare. And even then if the right offer came in...

Possibles Walker (potential) MacFadz (until his legs finally go) Wilson (you need a second string goalie; he's as good as you get for the position)

Thereafter any of the rest are dispensable as not one of them is definitely top half Championship calibre. Sorry you poor deluded fools, Godden, Max, Kelly, Hyam, Rose, JJ, Marosi, Shipley, Allen, are all just not good enough to form the core of a side hoping to be above halfway in the Championship. Peripheral squad players at best.

But you would not get rid of all of them at once, so who leaves maybe kind of random depending on who we are looking to acquire and who has another club interested. The out of contract peripherals like Baka are obvious departures, but who knows who else might move?

There probably needs to be a clear out at the Under 23 level as well as some like Bremang seeem to be long term residents there. They might get into the first team if we were still in League 2, but not the Chamionship. Our singular inability to loan some of them out is a clue.

Time for Robins to be as radical as the budget allows. Some will stay but you will never get far with a side with so many makeweights.

* By my reckoning James, Gyokeres, Sam Mac, Sheaf and Osti
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So you want MR to replace all of our strikers?
If we spunk the whole budget on the top end and you dob in a few million yourself, maybe.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #37
Gibbo said:
Excluding loanees*, it is easier to say who Robins would definitely keep - there are only three (with three other possibles).

Keep: Dabo, Hamer, O'Hare. And even then if the right offer came in...

Possibles Walker (potential) MacFadz (until his legs finally go) Wilson (you need a second string goalie; he's as good as you get for the position)

Thereafter any of the rest are dispensable as not one of them is definitely top half Championship calibre. Sorry you poor deluded fools, Godden, Max, Kelly, Hyam, Rose, JJ, Marosi, Shipley, Allen, are all just not good enough to form the core of a side hoping to be above halfway in the Championship. Peripheral squad players at best.

But you would not get rid of all of them at once, so who leaves maybe kind of random depending on who we are looking to acquire and who has another club interested. The out of contract peripherals like Baka are obvious departures, but who knows who else might move?

There probably needs to be a clear out at the Under 23 level as well as some like Bremang seeem to be long term residents there. They might get into the first team if we were still in League 2, but not the Chamionship. Our singular inability to loan some of them out is a clue.

Time for Robins to be as radical as the budget allows. Some will stay but you will never get far with a side with so many makeweights.

* By my reckoning James, Gyokeres, Sam Mac, Sheaf and Osti
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I've said for ages Godden isn't good enough for where we should be aiming. I think at the right price he should be made avialable.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #38
Gibbo said:
Excluding loanees*, it is easier to say who Robins would definitely keep - there are only three (with three other possibles).

Keep: Dabo, Hamer, O'Hare. And even then if the right offer came in...

Possibles Walker (potential) MacFadz (until his legs finally go) Wilson (you need a second string goalie; he's as good as you get for the position)

Thereafter any of the rest are dispensable as not one of them is definitely top half Championship calibre. Sorry you poor deluded fools, Godden, Max, Kelly, Hyam, Rose, JJ, Marosi, Shipley, Allen, are all just not good enough to form the core of a side hoping to be above halfway in the Championship. Peripheral squad players at best.

But you would not get rid of all of them at once, so who leaves maybe kind of random depending on who we are looking to acquire and who has another club interested. The out of contract peripherals like Baka are obvious departures, but who knows who else might move?

There probably needs to be a clear out at the Under 23 level as well as some like Bremang seeem to be long term residents there. They might get into the first team if we were still in League 2, but not the Chamionship. Our singular inability to loan some of them out is a clue.

Time for Robins to be as radical as the budget allows. Some will stay but you will never get far with a side with so many makeweights.

* By my reckoning James, Gyokeres, Sam Mac, Sheaf and Osti
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I've said for ages Godden isn't good enough for where we should be aiming. I think at the right price he should be made avialable.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #39
Samo said:
So you want MR to replace all of our strikers?
If we spunk the whole budget on the top end and you dob in a few million yourself, maybe.
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He said he would keep Walker.
 

Samo

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #40
Ccfcisparks said:
He said he would keep Walker.
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He said maybe
 

mrtrench

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #41
Ccfcisparks said:
I've said for ages Godden isn't good enough for where we should be aiming. I think at the right price he should be made avialable.
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The 1 minute between your posts isn't ages.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #42
Ccfcisparks said:
I've said for ages Godden isn't good enough for where we should be aiming. I think at the right price he should be made avialable.
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I'm not sure we've found out about him at this level. due to the disruption caused by his injuries. If he's fit, he will look a different player imo. He's clever enough, although like all players a 'better' version is always welcome.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #43
Ccfcisparks said:
I've said for ages Godden isn't good enough for where we should be aiming. I think at the right price he should be made avialable.
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I said earlier in the season the jury's out on Godden and it still is.
He can't really be judged on such an injury plagued season.
 
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Magwitch1

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44
Ccfcisparks said:
I've said for ages Godden isn't good enough for where we should be aiming. I think at the right price he should be made avialable.
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I think with finances at best tight and his recent injury record I have my doubts any club will pay money for him.
 

Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #45
Please read the post....

Maybe I want to ditch the strikers because we were singularly poor at scoring goals - all those 0-0 draws at home.

Clearly you can't ditch the lot, but you still have to recognize they are not good enough, so all of them are individually dispensable if not en masse. It will depend on external stuff - who actually wants to acquire one of our players and for our part, who is available, an upgrade and affordable

There are five types

Indispensables - the three above
Almost indispensable - MacFadz and probably Walker
Loans
Acquisitions
Makeweights

The goal is for the number of players in the first IX to include as few 'makeweights' as possible. This year we were saved by loans - James, Sam and Osti were crucial to the second half.
 

DannyThomas_1981

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #46
Conclusion at this early point of the debate: collectively the SBT posters want everyone on contract to leave next season for various reasons!
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #47
Gibbo said:
The goal is for the number of players in the first IX to include as few 'makeweights' as possible. This year we were saved by loans - James, Sam and Osti were crucial to the second half.
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Maybe playing with nine players was the cause for the lack of goals?
 
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DannyThomas_1981

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #48
clint van damme said:
I said earlier in the season the jury's out on Godden and it still is.
He can't really be judged on such an injury plagued season.
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Mostly agree.
I think it's ridiculous even having this debate after Godden has missed so much of the season and even now is nowhere near match fit.
What I have seen even with Godden at 80% is a very promising front two partnership with Walker.
And what I know from last season is that he's deadly when match sharp - I'm already looking forward to seeing what he can do next season.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #49
Without being privy to any inside information, I expect there to be a large turnover of players. The squad needs to get stronger and at the minute, we have a significant portion of the squad that won’t cut it in the Championship and need to moved on
 
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Deleted member 11652

Guest
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #50
Ccfcisparks said:
I've said for ages Godden isn't good enough for where we should be aiming. I think at the right price he should be made avialable.
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Does who scored think we should let him go then?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #51
Boosh said:
Does who scored think we should let him go then?
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I'd say go and have a look, but you are incapable of reading numbers correctly as shown last time.
 
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Deleted member 11652

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #52
Ccfcisparks said:
I'd say go and have a look, but you are incapable of reading numbers correctly as shown last time.
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I heard Pep uses it to help pick his best team
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #53
Boosh said:
I heard Pep uses it to help pick his best team
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He does actually, and football manager. Stick to cricket young'un
 
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TM8792

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #54
From the players we own who played a part this season, I'd only keep Hamer, Dabo, Walker and Eccles. Maybe Wilson as a number 2 but not arsed.

I'd try to get Ostigard and James back on a perm/another loan.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #55
TM8792 said:
From the players we own who played a part this season, I'd only keep Hamer, Dabo, Walker and Eccles. Maybe Wilson as a number 2 but not arsed.

I'd try to get Ostigard and James back on a perm/another loan.
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What about O'Hare pal?
 
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Briles

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #56
Robins will 100% keep biamou for another year
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #57
TM8792 said:
From the players we own who played a part this season, I'd only keep Hamer, Dabo, Walker and Eccles. Maybe Wilson as a number 2 but not arsed.

I'd try to get Ostigard and James back on a perm/another loan.
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You missed O'Hare.
 
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TM8792

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #58
Ccfcisparks said:
What about O'Hare pal?
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I'd take the first offer for him
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #59
TM8792 said:
I'd take the first offer for him
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Even if it were £100k?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #60
Sbarcher said:
All we are saying - is give Max a chance............
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A lot of Jealous Guy's out there that he's a Working Class Hero.

Match threads are usually full of Instant Karma.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #61
Johnnythespider said:
You're a dreamer
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No, he's not. I'm Dreamer.



And so is my wife.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #62
Frostie said:
But he's not the only one
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #63
mrtrench said:
If Yoko had been a football player, which position do we think she'd have played?

I think she'd be a number 9, number 9, number 9...
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Creative midfielder able to easily split a (Fab) back four
 
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steve101

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #64
I don't think wholesale changes would be a good idea. It seems to me we have survived as much on team unity this season as team quality. If we can get a decent pre-season and a fit squad with a year's Championship experience we will already be a mid-table team. If we can then add some quality to key areas, then we can push on a little more.
 
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Deleted member 2477

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #65
For those saying we should get rid of three quarters of the squad who have got us promoted and kept us in the championship just wondering where you think we will get the money from for 10 or 12 players better than we have now ?
 
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Gibbo

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #66
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Maybe playing with nine players was the cause for the lack of goals?
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Possibly true. But even with two up front, we were hardly banging them in
 

Otis

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #67
Briles said:
Robins will 100% keep biamou for another year
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Not good enough. This is football. It needs to be at least 110%
 
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better days

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #68
Dear oh dear
If Robins and Viveash read some of the stuff on this thread they'd give up and go off to start a window cleaning round
 
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Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #69
And for those who during the season will be moaning about the perfomance of x or y or z, remember you wanted to keep them.

Of course the money is clearly not there. In simple terms my point was that we only have three players contracted to us who are definitely good enough for top half Championship, so we should not shed a tear if any of the others leave, just as long as any replacement is an upgrade. And who goes and who stays may be decided by external factors beyond our control.

But above all we must avoid acquiring players for 'squad depth'. That means they are not good enough for the 1st XI - we already have plenty of those so why swap them? Might as well keep Allen or Rose or use Burroughs and his mates.

Loans not acquisitions are the key. We had 5 in the second half of the season - three stars plus one so-so (Gyokeres) plus one who would not have featured even if he had been fit (Sheaf). Let's discount Giles as atypical - we had two left backs. James and Osti were crucial to survival. Robins needs a minimum of four loans, preferably five. The Premiership clubs are awash with players.
 

Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #70
better days said:
Dear oh dear
If Robins and Viveash read some of the stuff on this thread they'd give up and go off to start a window cleaning round
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Everything we know is that Robins is one of the least sentimental managers in the business. He has no favourites (except possibly Kelly). His dealing with the goalkeeper situation was very direct. I would be gobsmacked if he believed players like Allen or Max are good enough, but they have to work with what they have. That's the job.
 
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