Ian1779
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Sorry I meant appeal... or the consideration of taking it further.
But there are no legal actions, are there?
I would hope everyone involved just wants an end to this the FL can't be happy with the stupid situation the club has found itself in... The ruling by the FL and the judge should be excepted, paid and talks can start with the past gone and a future to talk about... My worry is Sisu have not come out with what they do next,, appeal and drag this out is looking very likely and if the judges rule on first payment is not met ,, then what!!
Can anyone tell me to whom and how much do sisu owe or are due to pay money too?
Well according to Simon that is by no means certain, he said I believe that the funds are with SISU's solicitors, even though the FL does seem quite content by the current situation. Anyway this particular obstacle will hopefully be sorted within the next few days.The funds are secured by the FL... there is no reason why ACL should not be entering into discussions provided SISU drop their legal action.
Well according to Simon that is by no means certain, he said I believe that the funds are with SISU's solicitors, even though the FL does seem quite content by the current situation. Anyway this particular obstacle will hopefully be sorted within the next few days.
Provided SISU drop their legal threats , then ACL have said they are open to negotiations.
However it has long been my belief that whilst ACL may want CCFC back at the RIcoh, they don't want SISU back, and may simply wish to sit it out. As long as ACL can survive financially, and the £590,000 will surely secure their short/medium term, then they can just sit and wait. The onus is then on SISU ,they are the ones who are promising/threatening a new stadium. The trouble for SISU is practically no one believes a word they say anymore, and their bluff has well and truly been called.
After the JR ,didn't Fisher say they intend to appeal for the case to be held before 3 Appeal Court Judges, so yes unless it's bluff and bluster, then the clear indication was that they intend to appeal.As far as I know sisu have no legal actions 'on' and have not stated they are planning more. So this is the perfect time for 'peace talks'.
If that doesn't lead to a new deal, then sisu can move the state aid case to the EU commission. They haven't threaten to do it, but I am sure that will happen.
If ACL 'waits out' on sisu gone, then I fear they will have to wait quite a long time. Even if sisu did go, I suppose the new owner will be ARVO - who hold charges on all assets. So that wouldn't really change anything.
And I don't think the fans will be happy to have ACL block a return of the club.
As far as I know sisu have no legal actions 'on' and have not stated they are planning more.
No, I believe they have contested Judges Hickenbottoms decision to refuse them leave to appeal & it now goes to a panel of 3 judges in London.
Who did you hear that from? Hope it's not true.
The club’s owners could now apply directly to the Court of Appeal within the next 21 days – but it is not yet clear if they will decide to pursue that course of action.
So August 15th is the new date we're all waiting for?
No chance of talks until then really. And that's assuming Sisu don't appeal, which they've said they will. How long would it be before the three judges decide?
It's not pointless. Assessments & surveys are done all the time to allow organisations to respond to actual situations rather than just pull numbers out of their arses & guess. So far in this thread we've had the likes of you & I saying it's hurting businesses financially and others saying it's having hardly any effect. Until a qualified professional (i.e. none of us) actually sits down and looks at the situation we have no idea if it is £5 a year or £5m.why? its pointless, we all know that it is and continues to be devastating for some businesses, why spend more money finding how by how much?
The issue is with ACL & Sisu sitting down and negotiating a solution and that has always been our solution to fixing this. Every second they're not, CCFC are not coming home. I don't need to sit here and say they should talk about this contract or that valuation or this thing that happened 5 years ago or whatever biscuit that should be served with whoever's tea. They should just get together and talk, end of.The offers to get the football club back have already been exceptionally generous, the issue isn't with the council or ACL it's with SISU. No one including your campaign to get someone in the council have actually suggested anything the council can do to fix this, let alone anything reasonable.
Ridiculous statement. Especially as I sat opposite her not so long ago and told her that I was going to continue trying to work against her stated aim of building a new stadium and try to get us back to the Ricoh.what is it your Sepala supported campaign wants to achieve?
Where on earth do you get this from? Show me anywhere our campaign has ever said we should 'give the Ricoh to sisu' and you'll be drinking all weekend on me.Give the Ricoh to sisu because sisu are hurting Coventry businesses?
Another farce, that woman is. What is she there for and why ? No progress at all on this ground farce and she is supposed to be firming up locations, what bollox, any local business or individual should take any business with her and her law firm away.
It's not pointless. Assessments & surveys are done all the time to allow organisations to respond to actual situations rather than just pull numbers out of their arses & guess. So far in this thread we've had the likes of you & I saying it's hurting businesses financially and others saying it's having hardly any effect. Until a qualified professional (i.e. none of us) actually sits down and looks at the situation we have no idea if it is £5 a year or £5m.
A few years back Cardiff University Business School did a survey on Swansea FC's value to their city and came up with a figure of £58m. Now there's no way CCFC would get close to that for Cov at the moment but it gives and indication of just how much a city can benefit. (It also gives Swansea Council a good reason to have built the stadium off their own backs and split the management company 3-ways between themselves, the club & Ospreys RFC.)
The issue is with ACL & Sisu sitting down and negotiating a solution and that has always been our solution to fixing this. Every second they're not, CCFC are not coming home. I don't need to sit here and say they should talk about this contract or that valuation or this thing that happened 5 years ago or whatever biscuit that should be served with whoever's tea. They should just get together and talk, end of.
They can talk about what offers are reasonable. All we need to do is get them there and unfortunately, picking one side over another doesn't actually do that.
Ridiculous statement. Especially as I sat opposite her not so long ago and told her that I was going to continue trying to work against her stated aim of building a new stadium and try to get us back to the Ricoh.
Where on earth do you get this from? Show me anywhere our campaign has ever said we should 'give the Ricoh to sisu' and you'll be drinking all weekend on me.
The closest we ever got to that was to say that all options (e.g. rent, freehold, leasehold) should be on the negotiating table. A million miles away from 'giving it away'.
This is part of the problem with this whole mess. People dream up something and other people think it's true because they're either too lazy to think for themselves or it fits in with what they already think is right so it must be true. No wonder our club is going to be kicking off the new season in a shed 35 miles away...
It's not pointless. Assessments & surveys are done all the time to allow organisations to respond to actual situations rather than just pull numbers out of their arses & guess. So far in this thread we've had the likes of you & I saying it's hurting businesses financially and others saying it's having hardly any effect. Until a qualified professional (i.e. none of us) actually sits down and looks at the situation we have no idea if it is £5 a year or £5m.
In that case why don't SISU ask the ~10,000 customers they lost last year their view on where CCFC should be playing?
Thanks for the suggestion Rob. I'll follow up.
They've confirmed they have no figures in relation to this fairly recently - so that seems like a logical step.
Read two different articles, one about how much the local economy had been boosted by Swansea being in the Prem and the other about the financial impact of Liverpool having two teams in Europe this season. You do wonder if coventry council see any value in having a successful football team in the city. Maybe they just don't.
In that case why don't SISU ask the ~10,000 paying customers they lost last year their view on where CCFC should be playing?
Actually I would like the council to do a survey across all of coventry and ask would they care if the Ricoh arena was sold to a hedge fund for less than £10 million.
I think unless only people in here were surveyed then the results would never ever be published.
Read two different articles, one about how much the local economy had been boosted by Swansea being in the Prem and the other about the financial impact of Liverpool having two teams in Europe this season. You do wonder if coventry council see any value in having a successful football team in the city. Maybe they just don't.
It's not pointless. Assessments & surveys are done all the time to allow organisations to respond to actual situations rather than just pull numbers out of their arses & guess. So far in this thread we've had the likes of you & I saying it's hurting businesses financially and others saying it's having hardly any effect. Until a qualified professional (i.e. none of us) actually sits down and looks at the situation we have no idea if it is £5 a year or £5m.
It's pointless because the results are irrelevant, the council already want the club back and have already gone to all reasonable means firstly to keep them there and then to bring them back, so what changes if we find out the city are millions of pounds worse off a year with the club away? not to mention it's a waste of money finding the information out and it will also not be very accurate, it might not be terribly difficult to find out how the businesses local to the Ricoh have done since we left but it is hard to work out how other businesses have benefited from whatever else city fans have done with their saturdays. Overall though I'm sure it's been quite a loss to the city but finding out exactly how much is just a waste of money and will change nothing.
It seems to me the hope is to find that the businesses are really struggling so more pressure can be put on the council to cave, but the JR has shown quite clearly where the issue is and it's not the council.
A few years back Cardiff University Business School did a survey on Swansea FC's value to their city and came up with a figure of £58m. Now there's no way CCFC would get close to that for Cov at the moment but it gives and indication of just how much a city can benefit. (It also gives Swansea Council a good reason to have built the stadium off their own backs and split the management company 3-ways between themselves, the club & Ospreys RFC.)
The issue is with ACL & Sisu sitting down and negotiating a solution and that has always been our solution to fixing this. Every second they're not, CCFC are not coming home. I don't need to sit here and say they should talk about this contract or that valuation or this thing that happened 5 years ago or whatever biscuit that should be served with whoever's tea. They should just get together and talk, end of.
They can talk about what offers are reasonable. All we need to do is get them there and unfortunately, picking one side over another doesn't actually do that.
It amazes me we havn't all picked the same side by now and demanding sisu drop the JR and bring city home, if sisu drop the JR and offer a deal that is reasonable and possible for ACL to accept then if ACL don't take it we would pressure them. But it's been well over a year and its been clear that sisu have never once been close to wanting something that it was possible for ACL to give.
Ridiculous statement. Especially as I sat opposite her not so long ago and told her that I was going to continue trying to work against her stated aim of building a new stadium and try to get us back to the Ricoh.
I'm not saying you are working with Seppala, I'm saying Seppala supports your campaign and she does, she was one of the small number of people to sign your petition and the fact you got a 6 hour audience with her that you've shared almost nothing about shows how her interests align with your actions.
Where on earth do you get this from? Show me anywhere our campaign has ever said we should 'give the Ricoh to sisu' and you'll be drinking all weekend on me.
The closest we ever got to that was to say that all options (e.g. rent, freehold, leasehold) should be on the negotiating table. A million miles away from 'giving it away'.
I asked you to say what it was you want the council to do, even when sending someone to run for the council it was never mentioned what the plan was.
This is part of the problem with this whole mess. People dream up something and other people think it's true because they're either too lazy to think for themselves or it fits in with what they already think is right so it must be true. No wonder our club is going to be kicking off the new season in a shed 35 miles away...
In truth, and forgive my cyncism, studies like this seem to find precisely what their sponsors want them to find. For an example, look at the Council's findings regarding the 50m pool and how their later investigations seemed to remarkably, completely and 100% support their earlier decision. (What, and you thought I liked the council?!)
So the question would be ...
Shall we sell the profitable £110M Ricoh Arena to an unknown offshore hedge fund for £10M?
... And you reckon the answer would be yes?
The survey for the biggest WUM is now closed
Well you could say if the council sold for £10 million and used that to support local services. Wonder what they'd say.
As far as I know sisu have no legal actions 'on' and have not stated they are planning more. So this is the perfect time for 'peace talks'.
If that doesn't lead to a new deal, then sisu can move the state aid case to the EU commission. They haven't threaten to do it, but I am sure that will happen.
If ACL 'waits out' on sisu gone, then I fear they will have to wait quite a long time. Even if sisu did go, I suppose the new owner will be ARVO - who hold charges on all assets. So that wouldn't really change anything.
And I don't think the fans will be happy to have ACL block a return of the club.
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