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shmmeee

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  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #176
mark82 said:
Was just my understanding shmmeee. Hence the "I believe". Happy to be proven wrong. As you say may have been getting my wires crossed between the offers.
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No same here mate. I'm trying to get to the bottom just like everyone else.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #177
shmmeee said:
That was the offer at admin (not heard the no break clause thing though, source?) and was made as stated repeatedly because those are the FL rules on tenancy of a ground.

They've since offered several temporary deals that have been rejected. Not sure you can pin this one on them.
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Definitely a 3 year deal offered and rejected. TF quoted he couldn't do this deal.

Why? It works for everyone you got unless a new stadium isn't happening
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #178
shmmeee said:
Really?

I've not done the research like I have with City, but if you give me a team that's as close to us in terms of success as possible I'll run the numbers later.
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Who were the team that were in the Championship for longer than us? Was it Preston?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #179
torchomatic said:
So what? I don't support another league club. Presumably no one else who attended the Ricoh or HR over the years does either.
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No I agree its a misleading argument as most clubs with a top 6 finish did it outside the top league. Its almost saying we'd have been better with more seasons in lower divisions. In the first season after relegation we were in the top 6 for a large part of the season.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #180
mark82 said:
Yes, absolutely agree. This is what makes us as a group fickle. Other teams haven't seen that drop in attendances.
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On another note. I fully expect that should we end up in Legoland but with a successful team. We'll fill the place. Sisu or not as owners.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #181
Grendel said:
No I agree its a misleading argument as most clubs with a top 6 finish did it outside the top league. Its almost saying we'd have been better with more seasons in lower divisions. In the first season after relegation we were in the top 6 for a large part of the season.
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It's about expectations though isn't it? People never actually thought we'd be relegated, so when it happened it's a far bigger shock. Also when we went down we expected to be towards the top so anything else is seen as failure.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #182
Windsor is much, much farther than Northampton. That's a mad suggestion.

shmmeee said:
On another note. I fully expect that should we end up in Legoland but with a successful team. We'll fill the place. Sisu or not as owners.
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #183
Didn't they? Haven't we spent the majority of the last 40 seasons avoiding it?

shmmeee said:
It's about expectations though isn't it? People never actually thought we'd be relegated, so when it happened it's a far bigger shock. Also when we went down we expected to be towards the top so anything else is seen as failure.
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #184
torchomatic said:
Windsor is much, much farther than Northampton. That's a mad suggestion.
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I always preferred Stadium of Joy or the Fishbowl myself, but this seems to have stuck.

I really like Legoland (the actual one).
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #185
torchomatic said:
Didn't they? Haven't we spent the majority of the last 40 seasons avoiding it?
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"If the Titanic was painted Sky Blue"
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #186
RoboCCFC90 said:
Q&A With The Club.
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Thanks for posting that up Robbo

My take on that article is that it is the club saying this is the questions we want you to ask so that we can make the statements we want to. Not exactly probing are they.

Final question on the loans I have for them. If they are not proper loans then why has it not all been converted to share capital? because that would immediately improve the appearance of the balance sheet and make the club look more financially sound, reduce overheads because no interest to pay, improve profitability (at least reduce losses) etc. If not loans what is stopping them doing that because apparently they are not looking to take the money out ..............:thinking about:
 
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Houdi

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #187
fernandopartridge said:
We've had years of nothing, although most people now seem to judge teams who sustain themselves in the Premier League as successful (see references to Southampton) - we did that for 34 years so were successful in that respect.
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I'm sure Crystal Palace fans will judge this season a success if they finish 17th, however I'm not sure their fans will be too happy with the prospect of 10/20/30 years of just avoiding relegation from the Premier League. It is not even the 34 years we spent in the top flight were interspersed with many memorable cup runs, indeed seemingly most seasons were a relegation dog fight, with early cup exits, often at the gleeful hands of lower league outfits.
Is just 1 decent league season in whatever division really that much to ask, 1 season where we just even make the play-offs.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #188
Me too. Me and mini me go every summer courtesy of our clubcard vouchers.

The Fishbowl is a good one.

shmmeee said:
I really like Legoland (the actual one).
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #189
Brighton Sky Blue said:
ACL made several offers to the club, with decreased rent, access to ACL's share of matchday revenues and so on-all were rejected. It almost certainly does go both ways however I think that now this is more a matter of pride for Seppalla since ACL hold the cards in terms of negotiation.
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What does this mean?

It was accompanied by an emailed statement from Tim Fisher declaring that CCFC has “no option but to build a new venue” and that CCFC’s proposals were predicated on playing at the Ricoh Arena for a “run-off period of three years.”
This is totally unacceptable to ACL.
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To me it reads that CCFC's proposals to ACL were based on a 3 year run off period but wasn't acceptable? I am probably wrong but a clever bod should be able to translate.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #190
torchomatic said:
Me too. Me and mini me go every summer courtesy of our clubcard vouchers.

The Fishbowl is a good one.
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Half price family tickets with a Happy Meal at the moment.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #191
Nick said:
Didn't ACL reject a temporary thing?
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Yes but SISU are currently in. Very weak negotiating position since the move to Northampton re can we rent temporarily?

They have moved to distress the Ricoh in order to buy it on the cheap.

At the moment at least the Ricoh is on better finances than CCFC
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #192
Nick said:
What does this mean?



To me it reads that CCFC's proposals to ACL were based on a 3 year run off period but wasn't acceptable? I am probably wrong but a clever bod should be able to translate.
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No it's right, but you've got to take it in context of the time.

ACL didn't think that Sisu could legally break the lease at the time. They thought they were being asked to voluntarily swap a 40 year lease for a lesser one. They were still negotiating with an organisation that as they saw it was contracted to them for the foreseeable.

The game changed once Sisu managed to wriggle out of the lease. Whatever the rights and wrongs of doing it, it meant ACL were negotiating from a starting point of having nothing.
 
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Spagbol

New Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #193
There are so many reasons why our crowd has dropped, initially faded away and then dropped like a stone. SISU are central to all that. The truth is for the majority of fans is, if we were at the Ricoh the crowds would return. I don't care if we get liquidated and finish in the non~league I would be back. And although it wouldn't be a big crowd it would be a damn sight better than now. We would need to have a target of promotion etc and that would again build OUR club up. I can't see how this will be resolved I just hope we will still have a club to support.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #194
3 year deal that's all we want.

Ain't that hard is it?

3 years x 150k rent is 450k less than the 590k they still owe ACL/ccc

Mind boggles
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #195
shmmeee said:
No it's right, but you've got to take it in context of the time.

ACL didn't think that Sisu could legally break the lease at the time. They thought they were being asked to voluntarily swap a 40 year lease for a lesser one. They were still negotiating with an organisation that as they saw it was contracted to them for the foreseeable.

The game changed once Sisu managed to wriggle out of the lease. Whatever the rights and wrongs of doing it, it meant ACL were negotiating from a starting point of having nothing.
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So ACL did reject it when SISU asked to play at the Ricoh while they built a new ground? Yes, they still had the lease then so I guess ACL kind of laughed it off?

What temporary offers have been made to SISU since?
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #196
Nick said:
I don't think anybody is happy with it, we would all prefer to be in the Premier League. That isn't to say that people will just sack them off because we aren't playing Chelsea every week and would still go if we went right to the conference and further.
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To be honest Nick, I wouldn't be happy with this situation if we were in the Premier Lge...however we would probably be more attractive to other investors.


Some will support whatever the level most won't. It's always been easier to support Man U, Liverpool Arsenal etc than Darlington, Halifax, Hartlepool, or Staylybridge United. Also the most successful teams do tend to have the most money.

It probably explains why the vast majority of people in Scotland support one of two teams, followed by a block of four others.

But for me it's how the club is structured and what it is achieving within its own means is the key, not the level it is performing at.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #197
Kingokings204 said:
3 year deal that's all we want.

Ain't that hard is it?

3 years x 150k rent is 450k less than the 590k they still owe ACL/ccc

Mind boggles
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Plus matchday costs?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #198
Nick said:
What temporary offers have been made to SISU since?
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Free this season (as we have to pay Northampton for the rest of the season) and £150K the following two seasons at which point the new ground will be ready.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #199
RoboCCFC90 said:
Q&A With The Club.
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I wasn't sure if this was genuine or not, had to go and check on the club website! Seems we're all worrying about nothing and there's not really any debt and it's all normal business practice.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #200
Grendel said:
No I agree its a misleading argument as most clubs with a top 6 finish did it outside the top league. Its almost saying we'd have been better with more seasons in lower divisions. In the first season after relegation we were in the top 6 for a large part of the season.
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Success helps to keep club's crowds from entering decline was my point. Yo-yo clubs have the promotion seasons where the team is at the right end of the table and this boosts crowds more than a club which is challenging for nothing every year and looking over its shoulders.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #201
chiefdave said:
I wasn't sure if this was genuine or not, had to go and check on the club website! Seems we're all worrying about nothing and there's not really any debt and it's all normal business practice.
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they do seem to think we're all stupid and to be fair most of us are (myself included) when it comes to company finance but surely even they must have noticed that we have OSB to dumb it down for us. so when they go and post shit like this on the web site it just makes them look stupid.

i also noticed the CET have copy and pasted OSB's work.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #202
skybluetony176 said:
they do seem to think we're all stupid and to be fair most of us are (myself included) when it comes to company finance but surely even they must have noticed that we have OSB to dumb it down for us. so when they go and post shit like this on the web site it just makes them look stupid.

i also noticed the CET have copy and pasted OSB's work.
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Wouldn't be the first time...
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #203
Hobo said:
To be honest Nick, I wouldn't be happy with this situation if we were in the Premier Lge...however we would probably be more attractive to other investors.


Some will support whatever the level most won't. It's always been easier to support Man U, Liverpool Arsenal etc than Darlington, Halifax, Hartlepool, or Staylybridge United. Also the most successful teams do tend to have the most money.

It probably explains why the vast majority of people in Scotland support one of two teams, followed by a block of four others.

But for me it's how the club is structured and what it is achieving within its own means is the key, not the level it is performing at.
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For me it is the club I went to watch from before I can remember and was bred to support. Obviously I care about the structure because that could equate to success but I wouldn't ever stop supporting I don't think.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #204
Nick said:
So ACL did reject it when SISU asked to play at the Ricoh while they built a new ground? Yes, they still had the lease then so I guess ACL kind of laughed it off?

What temporary offers have been made to SISU since?
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Yes your right ACL rejected it. But like I said that's why really anything that has gone should be left to lie, the circumstances of this mess have changed so many times. Really you only want to look at the current offers.

AFAIK the 3 year deal was temporary (free this year, £100k the next 2).
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #205
Grendel said:
Plus matchday costs?
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Yes correct and a lot more money than sixfields. If a new stadium is happening then this has to be the solution.

Also I do believe that offer to be correct in that free this season and 150k next 2 and stadium fishbowl(my fav) is built? (Cough cough)
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #206
Kingokings204 said:
Yes correct and a lot more money than sixfields. If a new stadium is happening then this has to be the solution.

Also I do believe that offer to be correct in that free this season and 150k next 2 and stadium fishbowl(my fav) is built? (Cough cough)
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There is some uncertainty on that - the free offer was alleged to have blurred matchday costs and was no different to the original offer.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #207
Grendel said:
There is some uncertainty on that - the free offer was alleged to have blurred matchday costs and was no different to the original offer.
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Whatever they are Grendel? Can't be that much to defy not renting for 3 years. A lot more ticket sale a lot more sponsorship and commercial sales etc. Just makes no sense to move to Northampton new stadium or not. I thought a new stadium was always plan b anyway.
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #208
Yes they didn't include matchday costs in the free rent offer.

Who would have though matchday costs would cost more at a 32,000 seater state of the art stadium over a shitty tin shed in Northampton with 1/5 of the attendance?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #209
lewys33 said:
Yes they didn't include matchday costs in the free rent offer.

Who would have though matchday costs would cost more at a 32,000 seater state of the art stadium over a shitty tin shed in Northampton with 1/5 of the attendance?
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skock, horror. you'll be telling me next that a rolls royce isn't the same cost to buy and run as a hillman imp. come to your senses man
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2014
  • #210
Nick said:
For me it is the club I went to watch from before I can remember and was bred to support. Obviously I care about the structure because that could equate to success but I wouldn't ever stop supporting I don't think.
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Depends how you define these terms; support or follow.
As very very few attend practically every game most of us are a mixture of the two. We are fans of the club, our attendance at any given time is down to all sorts of reasons and probably beyond accurate analysis.

Let's be honest the posters on here have been fans over different time scales, live all over the place, have had their own experiences as fans, have their own unique commitments away from the club....we all have our own take on various episodes in our history. We all have our own solutions to problems.

Ultimately we are all fans, non can say we are better or more worthy than another. Non of us know how our personal situations will change in the future.

My point is we have a fantastic fan base, at the moment it is under utilised by the club.
 
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