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SISU, St Andrews, Bury and Bolton (1 Viewer)

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torchomatic

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #1
To those non-attendees at St Andrews has the Bury and Bolton situation changed your mind? 24 hours ago, Bury existed in League One, 24 hours later, they are no more. Personally, it sharpens my resolve to follow the team home and away, support it while you can as you never know when it can be taken away from you.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #2
Probably better to ask this on the FB forum, but to be fair there aren’t actually any NOPMers and there never really was. Just another boogeyman and fake virtue signalling. Making it harder to get to games will always impact attendance.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #3
shmmeee said:
Probably better to ask this on the FB forum, but to be fair there aren’t actually any NOPMers and there never really was. Just another boogeyman and fake virtue signalling. Making it harder to get to games will always impact attendance.
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Apart from the people who said nopm every 5 minutes.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #4
shmmeee said:
Probably better to ask this on the FB forum, but to be fair there aren’t actually any NOPMers and there never really was. Just another boogeyman and fake virtue signalling. Making it harder to get to games will always impact attendance.
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Laughable. What about all those on here, Facebook, Twitter etc who've spouted "NOPM" in the past?
 

fatso

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #5
Following the club away from home dosnt give the club any revenue though (apart from cup games) and wont make any difference in terms of finance. (Although the support will impact results)
If Bolton follow Bury and go out of business next month, that's 2 home games that clubs have lost this season, or nearly 10% of their income, that HAS to impact on the viability of a number of smaller clubs who are already struggling.
Surely the EFL should be doing something to help these clubs, such as re distributing money from sky for example, or we could see more clubs going to the wall.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #6
I understand and sort of empathise, but, this does give rise to the idea that a club's owners can effectively hold a club hostage.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #7
I said in another thread - id like to think the expulsion of bury opens a few eyes... it’s not a case of removing the share and give it to a new Coventry City - the EFL literally kick you out.

Anyone who wanted that can stop supporting the club now. They don’t deserve a football club
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #8
shmmeee said:
Probably better to ask this on the FB forum, but to be fair there aren’t actually any NOPMers and there never really was. Just another boogeyman and fake virtue signalling. Making it harder to get to games will always impact attendance.
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It’s not exactly harder is it. For the price of a Ricoh match day ticket you get picked up and dropped off at St Andrews and you watch the match
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #9
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I said in another thread - id like to think the expulsion of bury opens a few eyes... it’s not a case of removing the share and give it to a new Coventry City - the EFL literally kick you out.

Anyone who wanted that can stop supporting the club now. They don’t deserve a football club
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Interesting that people shouting for that to happen to us are now over the top with "solidarity"
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #10
In a word, no. But NOPM’ers can fucking do one.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #11
torchomatic said:
To those non-attendees at St Andrews has the Bury and Bolton situation changed your mind? 24 hours ago, Bury existed in League One, 24 hours later, they are no more. Personally, it sharpens my resolve to follow the team home and away, support it while you can as you never know when it can be taken away from you.
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No because if we boycotz and getz sisu out innit we will become a prem Team again blud
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #12
You’d hope it might make a few realise that, yes actually clubs can and do get expelled from the league and it really is curtains for your club in its current form.

It will be interesting to see what happens at Bury now, but assuming they don’t just reform and shoot straight back up the leagues, it might also give pause to those that think the phoenix club idea is a good one.

I know it sounds a little melodramatic, but if CCFC went I would be genuinely gutted. It’s what I do with my lad at a weekend. He’d be devastated also. And for that reason I will support them wherever we go and whoever owns us.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #13
shmmeee said:
Probably better to ask this on the FB forum, but to be fair there aren’t actually any NOPMers and there never really was. Just another boogeyman and fake virtue signalling. Making it harder to get to games will always impact attendance.
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Engaged in a few discussions now. People are changing their opinions on Sisu over the last few years
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #14
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
You’d hope it might make a few realise that, yes actually clubs can and do get expelled from the league and it really is curtains for your club in its current form.

It will be interesting to see what happens at Bury now, but assuming they don’t just reform and shoot straight back up the leagues, it might also give pause to those that think the phoenix club idea is a good one.

I know it sounds a little melodramatic, but if CCFC went I would be genuinely gutted. It’s what I do with my lad at a weekend. He’d be devastated also. And for that reason I will support them wherever we go and whoever owns us.
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Me too and my father in law
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #15
fatso said:
Following the club away from home dosnt give the club any revenue though (apart from cup games) and wont make any difference in terms of finance. (Although the support will impact results)
If Bolton follow Bury and go out of business next month, that's 2 home games that clubs have lost this season, or nearly 10% of their income, that HAS to impact on the viability of a number of smaller clubs who are already struggling.
Surely the EFL should be doing something to help these clubs, such as re distributing money from sky for example, or we could see more clubs going to the wall.
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I remember cllr mutton saying the rent at £1m wasn’t too high as it was such a small amount of the overall turnover and thinking that he had a point but also every penny counts and we should all want to maximise the money going into the team itself

I think this would be the argument at the top too. Even with the £100m not may clubs are profitable. It’s the gambling that needs to stop but how you avoid that when the gap between the haves and the have more I’ve no idea.

It makes sense for the money to be available when teams go down but it’s completely unfair competition. In fact it’s no competition.

They did a comparison of wages and finishing position and apart from statistical anomalies like leicester it is those that spend more finish higher

It’s a mess and very complex. You give bury £1m more last year they just spend it on player wages not clear the Hmrc debt.
 

Adge

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #16
fernandopartridge said:
I understand and sort of empathise, but, this does give rise to the idea that a club's owners can effectively hold a club hostage.
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Or worse still, take the fans for granted and move them out of the City.
 

Adge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #17
Sky Blue Pete said:
Engaged in a few discussions now. People are changing their opinions on Sisu over the last few years
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Are they? Well I’m not. See you all at Oxford.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #18
Adge said:
Are they? Well I’m not. See you all at Oxford.
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You have done more than most.
 
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Adge

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #19
Nick said:
You have done more than most.
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What’s that? Away games?
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #20
I bet Bury's fans would jump at the chance to watch their team 21 miles away from Bury.
 
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ohitsaidwalker king power

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #21
A good question Torch.
No is the answer for me, there are clear differences in the manner of the management of the respective clubs as I see it. I don't envisage SISU relinquishing control of CCFC at any cost at this juncture- no evidence of that proposal in 10+ years of ownership, of course I, like us all have great sympathy with Bury etal. Heartbreaking stuff, the impact massive to generations of fans.
For me to attend St Andrews, I'd need to be confident in a credible plan to bring us back to Coventry, agreed by all parties (not just SISU) but I don't see that, just a wasteland of broken promises and missed opportunities, I simply cannot watch my team play at another's ground and declare it home, still my religion not my church if you like, i'll support by other means, including financially until the club I love returns to the city of its name.

To add this doesn't make me a NOPM advocate, I see and have voiced the dangers of that particular stance, I guess its just the principles, not right or wrong, just personal to me that formulate my abstention from St Andrews, the whole thing is intractable and equally as hearbreaking.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #22
Bury will be interesting because they still exist. They haven’t been liquidated so in theory couldn’t they continue to pay the contracts and costs and theoretically still exist
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #23
ohitsaidwalker king power said:
A good question Torch.
No is the answer for me, there are clear differences in the manner of the management of the respective clubs as I see it. I don't envisage SISU relinquishing control of CCFC at any cost at this juncture- no evidence of that proposal in 10+ years of ownership, of course I, like us all have great sympathy with Bury etal. Heartbreaking stuff, the impact massive to generations of fans.
For me to attend St Andrews, I'd need to be confident in a credible plan to bring us back to Coventry, agreed by all parties (not just SISU) but I don't see that, just a wasteland of broken promises and missed opportunities, I simply cannot watch my team play at another's ground and declare it home, still my religion not my church if you like, i'll support by other means, including financially until the club I love returns to the city of its name.

To add this doesn't make me a NOPM advocate, I see and have voiced the dangers of that particular stance, I guess its just the principles, not right or wrong, just personal to me that formulate my abstention from St Andrews, the whole thing is intractable and equally as hearbreaking.
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Miss you being there
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #24
Adge said:
What’s that? Away games?
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Changed your opinion on them.

You refused to go because you saw it as giving sisu money but then decided to go and in your eyes giving sisu your money.

Bit of a u turn.
 
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Houchens Head

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #25
Evo1883 said:
No because if we boycotz and getz sisu out innit we will become a prem Team again blud
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...and fam! You forgot to mention 'and fam'!
 

Adge

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #26
Nick said:
Changed your opinion on them.

You refused to go because you saw it as giving sisu money but then decided to go and in your eyes giving sisu your money.

Bit of a u turn.
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Well at least you have been consistent with being a Sisu apologist.:emoji_smirk:
And again as you seem to like to bring it up-if anything changes regarding me deciding to go to St Andrews aswell as away games I will make sure to run it past you and the Hierarchy on here just to make sure that it is ok to change my mind....:emoji_thumbsup:
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #27
Was just wondering, aside from the sad demise of Bury, is it now the case that only 3 will get relegated from league 1 and that the 'missing' team (Bury) will be replaced in league 2 next year by an additional Conference club (or whatever it is now called?)
 
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wince

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #28
No from me , never say I wont go to Brum , but I am saving a lot of money, I always wondered how peopled turned from going to football every week to just a passive interest , but I guess that's starting to happen to me , football has always been about habit , that's why you go in the dark days , for SISU to break that once , with Northampton was inexcusable and showed that they just didn't know there customers, to do it twice is unforgivable, reckless and cruel
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #29
wince said:
No from me , never say I wont go to Brum , but I am saving a lot of money, I always wondered how peopled turned from going to football every week to just a passive interest , but I guess that's starting to happen to me , football has always been about habit , that's why you go in the dark days , for SISU to break that once , with Northampton was inexcusable and showed that they just didn't know there customers, to do it twice is unforgivable, reckless and cruel[/QUOTE]

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Fine with your overall sentiments, but whilst the move to Northampton was inexcusable (and SISU's fault), the blame for the move to Birmingham lies at the feet of several parties, and had we not moved, we could easily be standing alongside Bury
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #30
wince said:
No from me , never say I wont go to Brum , but I am saving a lot of money, I always wondered how peopled turned from going to football every week to just a passive interest , but I guess that's starting to happen to me , football has always been about habit , that's why you go in the dark days , for SISU to break that once , with Northampton was inexcusable and showed that they just didn't know there customers, to do it twice is unforgivable, reckless and cruel
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The Sixfields season certainly blew quite a sizeable hole in my passion. As much as I still love to go (to away games), I don’t feel as strong about it all as I used to. This time around threatens to do just the same...
 

Nick

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #31
Adge said:
Well at least you have been consistent with being a Sisu apologist.:emoji_smirk:
And again as you seem to like to bring it up-if anything changes regarding me deciding to go to St Andrews aswell as away games I will make sure to run it past you and the Hierarchy on here just to make sure that it is ok to change my mind....:emoji_thumbsup:
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So if was relevant about somebody changing their minds about sisu. Truth hurts I guess
 
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wince

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #32
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Fine with your overall sentiments, but whilst the move to Northampton was inexcusable (and SISU's fault), the blame for the move to Birmingham lies at the feet of several parties, and had we not moved, we could easily be standing alongside Bury
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And there in lies the problem , the Bury chairman paid a pound , for a distressed company ,said he put money in and then wanted a return , and was prepared to let it go to the wall because he didn't get enough money back , we haven't navigated that journey yet, as we don't know what Sisu plan is , I for one wont rest until that becomes clear
 

ccfcway

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #33
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Was just wondering, aside from the sad demise of Bury, is it now the case that only 3 will get relegated from league 1 and that the 'missing' team (Bury) will be replaced in league 2 next year by an additional Conference club (or whatever it is now called?)
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Yes. Good news for those who think with a couple of injuries we would be in a relegation battle
 

Otis

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #34
Tommo1993 said:
The Sixfields season certainly blew quite a sizeable hole in my passion. As much as I still love to go (to away games), I don’t feel as strong about it all as I used to. This time around threatens to do just the same...
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Yes, same here. I know we are doing well, but I have no great passion or desire to attend at all.
 
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ohitsaidwalker king power

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  • Aug 28, 2019
  • #35
Sky Blue Pete said:
Miss you being there
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Miss you more Pete....
 
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