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Sisu make official complaint over Coventry councillors' conduct (1 Viewer)

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skybluetony176

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  • May 14, 2015
  • #211
covcity4life said:
exactly..so sisu had a poan that didnt work because council played a last ditch card to try kill us

and people like you love them for it lmao
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Don't think anyone loves them for it by recognising SISU's plan was doomed from the start. Is this the wrongdoing by the council you're going on about? The council not going along with SISU's plan? I do hope SISU have a stronger case than you if it is otherwise this complaint is another plan set to fail.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #212
skybluetony176 said:
Don't think anyone loves them for it by recognising SISU's plan was doomed from the start. Is this the wrongdoing by the council you're going on about? The council not going along with SISU's plan? I do hope SISU have a stronger case than you if it is otherwise this complaint is another plan set to fail.
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the plan was not doomed from start though. underhanded ? sure

but it made council sell. they sold to wasps because they ddint want sisu to 100% beat them
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #213
covcity4life said:
its clear council did a lot of things wrong and i hope these 2 individuals get punished for that.

as long as it dont effect ccfc transfer budget then im all for it.

even if you hate sisu you must understand that council did alot of stuff wrong, and justice must be done!
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If the two faced council are found to have done something wrong then yes they should be dealt with accordingly. No one is above the law as a few members of Parliament found out a few years ago.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #214
covcity4life said:
the plan was not doomed from start though. underhanded ? sure

but it made council sell. they sold to wasps because they ddint want sisu to 100% beat them
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Wasps must have been like a wet dream for the council... they were handed a way out and a way to indulge all that spite. It's a shame they could't see the bigger picture and consider our club's future, beyond SISU and any petty vindictiveness.
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #215
CCC are not and never were whiter than white in this,, but what you have to understand they were faced with 2 different situations and were dealing with 2 different parties.. 1 Party, had broke an agreement, left the city and was taking the CCC through endless court cases. The other was a business that had meetings, had never disclosed minutes, acted properly and professionally while waiting the CCC decision.

In the end the decision came down to who they trusted and felt comfortable with to take over the Ricoh and the surrounding area and make progress with.. You have to take off the sky blue specs and know this is business nothing more nothing less. They had no trust or confidence in Sisu controlling anything to do with the city..

Now because you don't agree with them selling to Wasps (what cov fan does) should never stop you from understanding 1 party had the chance and more time than any other to buy the Ricoh in a fair and business like manner.. Sisu had time, to build bridges, trust and even friendship and take this club forward owning the ground or part of it.. Instead they went on a promotion push for 1 season without setting a plan if it failed,, buying the Ricoh was on a plan but only if promotion was gained...From that day of failure they have wanted money back and will kill this club to gain either a moral victory or financial..

Sisu now need to build a new ground , buy an existing one that is not being used or carry on regardless at the Ricoh, it must be very hard for them to watch Wasps be so active and fan friendly but that's life..
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 14, 2015
  • #216
Not too sure of the issue with it to be honest, I very much doubt anybody thinks that if found wrong then time will be rewound and CCFC will be given the stadium and we will be in the Premier League in 2 years.

I'd be happy to see any sort of investigation into any party involved going back to HR to reveal the actual goings on.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #217
Chipfat said:
CCC are not and never were whiter than white in this,, but what you have to understand they were faced with 2 different situations and were dealing with 2 different parties.. 1 Party, had broke an agreement, left the city and was taking the CCC through endless court cases. The other was a business that had meetings, had never disclosed minutes, acted properly and professionally while waiting the CCC decision.

In the end the decision came down to who they trusted and felt comfortable with to take over the Ricoh and the surrounding area and make progress with.. You have to take off the sky blue specs and know this is business nothing more nothing less. They had no trust or confidence in Sisu controlling anything to do with the city..

Now because you don't agree with them selling to Wasps (what cov fan does) should never stop you from understanding 1 party had the chance and more time than any other to buy the Ricoh in a fair and business like manner.. Sisu had time, to build bridges, trust and even friendship and take this club forward owning the ground or part of it.. Instead they went on a promotion push for 1 season without setting a plan if it failed,, buying the Ricoh was on a plan but only if promotion was gained...From that day of failure they have wanted money back and will kill this club to gain either a moral victory or financial..

Sisu now need to build a new ground , buy an existing one that is not being used or carry on regardless at the Ricoh, it must be very hard for them to watch Wasps be so active and fan friendly but that's life..
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Preferring another shady hedge fund.
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #218
Samo said:
Preferring another shady hedge fund.
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I dont prefer CCC, over Sisu or Wasps,, i just think CCC were pushed very hard into a corner and had to make a decision that was hated by 100% of the fans of the club and rightly so.. My opinion is the CCC stated they would sell, they made a business decision on two parties we know of and although all may have been the same in structure,, were acting differently when it came down to buying the stadium.. 1 wanted by going to court and 1 wanted it by paying the amount asked and paying back, which they now have.. So although i don't like the idea of Wasps ,, nobody can say they haven't stuck to an agreement they made...
 
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LB87ccfc

Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #219
I find it wonderful that a SISU take this or that to court news article creates a bigger thread of discussion / bitching on here than when we do something productive with the footballing side.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 14, 2015
  • #220
skybluetony176 said:
Don't think anyone loves them for it by recognising SISU's plan was doomed from the start. Is this the wrongdoing by the council you're going on about? The council not going along with SISU's plan? I do hope SISU have a stronger case than you if it is otherwise this complaint is another plan set to fail.
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Maybe they don't love them for it but they certainly turn a blind eye and/or are reluctant to even admit what has happened. Some even go so far as to praise the council as well.

We all want sisu to leave the club and one day they will. Sadly the council's actions will be felt for a long time after sisu finally leave us.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 14, 2015
  • #221
LB87ccfc said:
I find it wonderful that a SISU take this or that to court news article creates a bigger thread of discussion / bitching on here than when we do something productive with the footballing side.
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Fed up of watching crap like McSheffrey, Eastwood and Clingan every week. When they are gone I will go back
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #222
Sick Boy said:
Maybe they don't love them for it but they certainly turn a blind eye and/or are reluctant to even admit what has happened. Some even go so far as to praise the council as well.

We all want sisu to leave the club and one day they will. Sadly the council's actions will be felt for a long time after sisu finally leave us.
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You maybe right,, but what other option did the CCC have,, hold onto it hoping Sisu would sell the club, or sell to a party acting and following up with actions..I don't like any party involved , trust me ,, but i can't understand why Sisu while holding cards at the table just didn't play fair ball...Because Wasps have proved that dealing the right way has helped them get what they want decades earlier than they thought..
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #223
Chipfat said:
I dont prefer CCC, over Sisu or Wasps,, i just think CCC were pushed very hard into a corner and had to make a decision that was hated by 100% of the fans of the club and rightly so.. My opinion is the CCC stated they would sell, they made a business decision on two parties we know of and although all may have been the same in structure,, were acting differently when it came down to buying the stadium.. 1 wanted by going to court and 1 wanted it by paying the amount asked and paying back, which they now have.. So although i don't like the idea of Wasps ,, nobody can say they haven't stuck to an agreement they made...
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Hmm... I think CCC, for whatever reason, didn't want to sell even half to SISU but when Wasps came along it was 'Hey, have the lot and have it cheap, that'll learn those SISU bastards'
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 14, 2015
  • #224
Chipfat said:
You maybe right,, but what other option did the CCC have
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Hold onto it and let it tick over like they said it was.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #225
Nick said:
Hold onto it and let it tick over like they said it was.
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Perhaps it wasn't ticking over Nick, perhaps they lied to everyone including us. Hush my mouth.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #226
The sale shouldn't have been conducted behind closed doors in a "let's meet in the toilet, fourth cubicle along at Leicester Forest East Services" kind of way. The sale should have been open to other bidders in an open and honest way. Christ, usually Councils have to put everything out to tender.

Chipfat said:
I dont prefer CCC, over Sisu or Wasps,, i just think CCC were pushed very hard into a corner and had to make a decision that was hated by 100% of the fans of the club and rightly so.. My opinion is the CCC stated they would sell, they made a business decision on two parties we know of and although all may have been the same in structure,, were acting differently when it came down to buying the stadium.. 1 wanted by going to court and 1 wanted it by paying the amount asked and paying back, which they now have.. So although i don't like the idea of Wasps ,, nobody can say they haven't stuck to an agreement they made...
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #227
Exactly. SISU won't be here forever and neither may CCFC as a consequence. Wasps will be though.

Nick said:
Hold onto it and let it tick over like they said it was.
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 14, 2015
  • #228
Samo said:
Perhaps it wasn't ticking over Nick, perhaps they lied to everyone including us. Hush my mouth.
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Ann would never tell us lies, how dare you!!
 
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wince

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #229
The sale shouldn't have been conducted behind closed doors in a "let's meet in the toilet, fourth cubicle along at Leicester Forest East Services" kind of way. The sale should have been open to other bidders in an open and honest way. Christ, usually Councils have to put everything out to tender.
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 14, 2015
  • #230
torchomatic said:
Exactly. SISU won't be here forever and neither may CCFC as a consequence. Wasps will be though.
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It was good for business and the city now has 'top class rugby'.

Saying that, surely we should be looking at buying Sixfields and moving back? It would be good for business and even boost the local economy!

Who cares if there's already a football team there. We can entice the locals along with free tickets and they'll be able to watch higher level football. Everyone's a winner! Seeing how some have embraced Wasps moving to Coventry, i'm sure we can expect the same from the locals in Northampton too?
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #231
italiahorse said:
As a ratepayer they didn't
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In your opinion. Even if you took a purely financial view, then if we lose CCFC in Coventry as the result of selling to Wasps, then it's going to cost the city more than it gains.

If you move beyond the purely financial and look at the moral obligations of the council, then as a council tax payer and voter I'm pretty certain that the council haven't taken the right decision.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #232
torchomatic said:
Christ, usually Councils have to put everything out to tender.
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If it wasn't so serious it would be comical. You can barely buy a ream of paper in the public sector without getting comparative quotes to ensure you're getting the best value for the taxpayer yet you can sell off a stadium in secret on the cheap and nobody is in the slightest bit concerned.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #233
italiahorse said:
As a ratepayer they didn't
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There is zero evidence to suggest an impact on the ratepayer at all.

Whatever effect if positive or negative would be marginal to say the least. It would have no impact on taxation as that is centrally controlled and hardly any impact on public services especially as we were originally told the money was ring fenced.

Politicians are supposed to operate with transparency and openness. Not make decisions in back room meetings and with a veil of secrecy.
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #234
torchomatic said:
The sale shouldn't have been conducted behind closed doors in a "let's meet in the toilet, fourth cubicle along at Leicester Forest East Services" kind of way. The sale should have been open to other bidders in an open and honest way. Christ, usually Councils have to put everything out to tender.
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I still don't see what you or anyone will change about what happened,, i have never said i agreed with it, i never said i like the idea of Wasps.. But what i have understood is that nothing i do, say or post about it changes the situation.. And please don't tell me Sport is clean or full of great owners that have always done everything correctly to get what they want or have..
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #235
Chipfat said:
I still don't see what you or anyone will change about what happened,, i have never said i agreed with it, i never said i like the idea of Wasps.. But what i have understood is that nothing i do, say or post about it changes the situation.. And please don't tell me Sport is clean or full of great owners that have always done everything correctly to get what they want or have..
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You couldn't change the WMD myth created by Blair and Campbell that dragged us into war. Are you saying there shouldn't have been an enquiry as nothing could alter the outcome?
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #236
Chipfat said:
I still don't see what you or anyone will change about what happened,, i have never said i agreed with it, i never said i like the idea of Wasps.. But what i have understood is that nothing i do, say or post about it changes the situation.. And please don't tell me Sport is clean or full of great owners that have always done everything correctly to get what they want or have..
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TRANSLATION: ok i know i am wrong but lets forget that and change subject.
 
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shy_tall_knight

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #237
IMO the council justified it to themselves on the basis that
- prevented stadium being a white elephant and the proposed political embarrassment as well as get the loan paid plus money for their share of ACL
- continual negotiations with SISU would end, SISU would now have to deal with WASPS
- economic benefit to City with big rugby crowds, element of truth but somewhat overstated don't think many rugger buggers are going into the pubs and clubs on the Foleshill Rd
- lastly revenge on SISU, can you imagine the pleasure CCC got in stitching up SISU
- as for CCFC, no longer their problem, had SISU got the stadium no evidence to suggest that the club would benefit (NB this is just me guessing what CCC were thinking) probably tied the club into a long lease with a high rental, WASPS may be reasonable
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #238
I'm still waiting for rhe prosecution of a well known local politician for "malfeasance in public office",after all its been over 18 months now that the police have been investigating this person:thinking about:
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #239
Grendel said:
You couldn't change the WMD myth created by Blair and Campbell that dragged us into war. Are you saying there shouldn't have been an enquiry as nothing could alter the outcome?
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Great comparison. A sale of a public asset compared to a war with thousands of deaths. Jesus wept.
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #240
Nick said:
Hold onto it and let it tick over like they said it was.
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What they say and what they do are very different things, what you believe and hold them too is an individual decision. My decision is a don't believe any party involved in this 100% i do however have an opinion that Sisu have determined the fate of the club.. No good falling out over it that is fact,, if they were decent, open, trusting and honest then deals could of been made. But i suppose you only want one side to be open honest and trusting....
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #241
covcity4life said:
TRANSLATION: ok i know i am wrong but lets forget that and change subject.
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All are wrong,, if you are a cov fan and i have never said any different.. I'm not changing anything, you have an opinion i have mine..
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #242
Chipfat said:
What they say and what they do are very different things, what you believe and hold them too is an individual decision. My decision is a don't believe any party involved in this 100% i do however have an opinion that Sisu have determined the fate of the club.. No good falling out over it that is fact,, if they were decent, open, trusting and honest then deals could of been made. But i suppose you only want one side to be open honest and trusting....
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No we'd like both, we got neither.
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #243
Grendel said:
You couldn't change the WMD myth created by Blair and Campbell that dragged us into war. Are you saying there shouldn't have been an enquiry as nothing could alter the outcome?
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Bit deep,, but yeah inquire all you want ,, my point is, as sad as it is for all those involved it changes nothing.. Do i agree with it,, do i think Blair, Campbell and Bush have some questions to answer!!!! i would say yes.. Would you get the truth!!!!
 
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Chipfat

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #244
Samo said:
No we'd like both, we got neither.
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I agree and when parties do not agree or trust each other then how do you move forward,, do i sound like Andrew Strauss....
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #245
Sick Boy said:
Maybe they don't love them for it but they certainly turn a blind eye and/or are reluctant to even admit what has happened. Some even go so far as to praise the council as well.

We all want sisu to leave the club and one day they will. Sadly the council's actions will be felt for a long time after sisu finally leave us.
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Do you seriously not see the duplicity here? SISU's actions led directly to the councils actions. So when you say the councils actions will be felt for a long time after SISU leave you're wrong. The correct statement is SISU's and the councils actions will be felt for a long time after SISU leave.

I'll also remind you that there were plenty of posters on here, myself included saying when we left the Ricoh something like what has happened could happen while being ridiculed by posters like you who were salivating waiting for the JR and the fabled smoking gun while declaring that SISU were the only show in town.

One day you may well wake up and start listening to the posters you enjoy ridiculing while believing you are of superior intelligence but I doubt it.
 
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