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SISU lost the club £4M (1 Viewer)

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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #106
lordsummerisle said:
The actual figures from the accounts showed an average of £10 per head.
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Bit like Starbucks saying they only make half a penny on a coffee
 

ccfc92

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #107
lordsummerisle said:
The actual figures from the accounts showed an average of £10 per head.
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can you please post these figures? thanks in advance.

I was merely playing Grendel at his own "nit-picking" game, he regularly picks on the small detail that people miss on their post. In this case, he has missed small details, and when questioned on it, refused to reply with any constructiveness.
 
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Godiva

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #108
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Bit like Starbucks saying they only make half a penny on a coffee
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There's a difference between turnover and profit.
Do the math and tell us what the club lose per ticket.
 

ccfc92

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #109
Godiva said:
There's a difference between turnover and profit.
Do the math and tell us what the club lose per ticket.
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it's amazing how those that contribute even any calculations are told to "do the math"

bit ironic that those who tell posters to "do the math" are not "doing the math" themselves.
 
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crowsnest

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #110
ccfc92 said:
can you please post these figures? thanks in advance.

I was merely playing Grendel at his own "nit-picking" game, he regularly picks on the small detail that people miss on their post. In this case, he has missed small details, and when questioned on it, refused to reply with any constructiveness.
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And you missed the small detail that the figures are in this thread.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #111
Then why post them again?

crowsnest said:
And you missed the small detail that the figures are in this thread.
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ccfc92

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #112
crowsnest said:
And you missed the small detail that the figures are in this thread.
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where exactly?

if you mean post #1, I don't see any figures relating to ticket sales/ticket income
 

ccfc92

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #113
Turnover split as 2,996,143 match receipts and 3,575,626 commercial income (2012 3,550,702 and 7,275,282 respectively)

This crowsnest?
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #114
Godiva said:
There's a difference between turnover and profit.
Do the math and tell us what the club lose per ticket.
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I was pointing out you could make figures look like anything you want. As for how much they lose per ticket thats the difference between revenue and costs. The first years at the Ricoh loss was down to wages after that you tell me.
 

ccfc92

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #115
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I was pointing out you could make figures look like anything you want. As for how much they lose per ticket thats the difference between revenue and costs. The first years at the Ricoh loss was down to wages after that you tell me.
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but that's the main argument for many posters on here. but they miss out the wages part.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #116
ccfc92 said:
but that's the main argument for many posters on here. but they miss out the wages part.
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Most complain that we don't spend enough on player wages.

Think the year we went down, our wages were something like 107% of turnover.
 
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Godiva

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #117
ccfc92 said:
but that's the main argument for many posters on here. but they miss out the wages part.
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No - the wages have been too high for too many years.

lordsummerisle said:
Most complain that we don't spend enough on player wages.

Think the year we went down, our wages were something like 107% of turnover.
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And there are two ways to get that percentage down - 1) Reduce the wage bill, or 2) Increase the revenue.

Many posters want us to be competitive and attract good players that command a high wage, but fails to accept the club must own ACL before that is happening.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #118
Only hearsay I must point out but there was one guy who would only be picked up by limo and stay at Ansty Hall. Nice and expensive if true. What about compo for all the managers we've had:facepalm:
 

ccfc92

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #119
lordsummerisle said:
Most complain that we don't spend enough on player wages.

Think the year we went down, our wages were something like 107% of turnover.
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I personally believe players should not be receiving more than 5k per week at any level, but that's a different argument.

I think we need to be competitive against other clubs, but not beyond our means. Always a route to disaster if promotion/ cup wins aren't achieved.

Personally, I think basic salaries should be low, with goal, assist, clean sheets and appearance bonuses being a key part. More of an incentive to perform if that makes sense? (I know players and agents will never allow this)
 

ccfc92

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #120
Godiva said:
No - the wages have been too high for too many years.



And there are two ways to get that percentage down - 1) Reduce the wage bill, or 2) Increase the revenue.

Many posters want us to be competitive and attract good players that command a high wage, but fails to accept the club must own ACL before that is happening.
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I do agree with what you've posted. This is a key part of moving forward.

Your reply to my comment: I meant many will say we still lost £X amount despite having 20,000 average gate, because we were renting the Ricoh. That's what I meant by saying miss out the wages.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #121
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Only hearsay I must point out but there was one guy who would only be picked up by limo and stay at Ansty Hall. Nice and expensive if true. What about compo for all the managers we've had:facepalm:
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Think Compo would have been a better bet as manager than Coleman or Thorn.

Norah Batty would have been better than either of them to be honest.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #122
lordsummerisle said:
The actual figures from the accounts showed an average of £10 per head.
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Accountants = SISU stooges
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #123
lordsummerisle said:
Most complain that we don't spend enough on player wages.

Think the year we went down, our wages were something like 107% of turnover.
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One day. One day they'll get it.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #124
fernandopartridge said:
Accountants = SISU stooges
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Think Sisu have got more Stooges than Iggy.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #125
lordsummerisle said:
Think Sisu have got more Stooges than Iggy.
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Lust for litigation I heard
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #126
Going to Search and Destroy ACL
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #127
fernandopartridge said:
Accountants = SISU stooges
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Well we've had Golden share is here,no its over there,but players are definately here,er no they're over there actually we're not sure where they are,she's the boss but she's not really,we're debt free,we're heading for a catastrophic liquidation with me so far?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #128
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Well we've had Golden share is here,no its over there,but players are definately here,er no they're over there actually we're not sure where they are,she's the boss but she's not really,we're debt free,we're heading for a catastrophic liquidation with me so far?
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How many of those were said by accountants?
 

ccfc92

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #129
fernandopartridge said:
How many of those were said by accountants?
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I wish we had one to ask the ins and outs of CCFC's finances
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #130
fernandopartridge said:
How many of those were said by accountants?
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Don't know I was ranting I do feel better now thanks for the opportunity.
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #131
Grendel said:
We never managed to charge more than £10 a ticket at the Ricoh.
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I can see where the confusion has come from, that could be read as no single ticket cost more than £10 rather than a season average.

Are you referring to the last season we spent at the Ricoh? Would be interesting to see how much, if at all, that price has dropped under SISUs ownership. Do you know if it includes comp tickets? If it does that could skew the figure, would be more interesting to know average paid ticket price.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #132
chiefdave said:
I can see where the confusion has come from, that could be read as no single ticket cost more than £10 rather than a season average.

Are you referring to the last season we spent at the Ricoh? Would be interesting to see how much, if at all, that price has dropped under SISUs ownership. Do you know if it includes comp tickets? If it does that could skew the figure, would be more interesting to know average paid ticket price.
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No every season. I have the figures somewhere but from memory it ranged from £9 to £11 including pre sisu years. That's why the break even figure of 22.500 full paying customers was a nonense.
The actual figures are I think for the last 5 years to be fair.
Logically the figure should be less as many season ticket holders had a £5 per game reduction 3 years ago but they always had very good concession and child offers and very quickly were doing deals on games. I think the 5th biggest league attendance is Colchester as they charged £5 for guests of season ticket holders.
 
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stupot07

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  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #133
Last 4 years.

match receipts from accounts:

2010 £4360518 (17,305 ave = 398,015 + 13,100 cup = 411,115) = £10.60 per visitor

2011 £3925900 ( 16,309 ave = 375,107 + 8162 cup = 383,269) = £10.24 per visitor

2012 £3550702 (15,118 ave = 347,714 + 9k cup = 356,714) = £9.95 per visitor

2013 £2996143 ( 10,906 = 250,838 + 83,470 = 334,308) = £8.96 per visitor



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #134
stupot07 said:
Last 4 years.

match receipts from accounts:

2010 £4360518 (17,305 ave = 398,015 + 13,100 cup = 411,115) = £10.60 per visitor

2011 £3925900 ( 16,309 ave = 375,107 + 8162 cup = 383,269) = £10.24 per visitor

2012 £3550702 (15,118 ave = 347,714 + 9k cup = 356,714) = £9.95 per visitor

2013 £2996143 ( 10,906 = 250,838 + 83,470 = 334,308) = £8.96 per visitor
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Interesting. Seems quite low when only OAP and kids season tickets would be that cheap, wonder what it is that's pulling the average down. Would be interesting to see a breakdown (full prices, kids etc) but I doubt that info is available. Expect there will be quite a big drop for this season, weren't adult tickets £9 a game at one point this season?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #135
chiefdave said:
Interesting. Seems quite low when only OAP and kids season tickets would be that cheap, wonder what it is that's pulling the average down. Would be interesting to see a breakdown (full prices, kids etc) but I doubt that info is available. Expect there will be quite a big drop for this season, weren't adult tickets £9 a game at one point this season?
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You need net of vat so midweek were £7.20
 
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Noggin

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  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #136
chiefdave said:
Interesting. Seems quite low when only OAP and kids season tickets would be that cheap, wonder what it is that's pulling the average down. Would be interesting to see a breakdown (full prices, kids etc) but I doubt that info is available. Expect there will be quite a big drop for this season, weren't adult tickets £9 a game at one point this season?
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£5 JPT home games have to be bringing the average down alot. Especially since that JPT semi final was getting close to 10% of the seasons attendance. Also as the attendance drops free tickets become a larger percentage of the total which again lowers the amount taken per visitor. It's also perhaps the case as attendance fell there were more offers to bring people in like the kids for a quid, but I'm guessing.
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #137
Grendel said:
You need net of vat so midweek were £7.20
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Few more seasons at Sixfields and they'll be paying people to go! We must have the cheapest tickets in the FL.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #138
Grendel said:
You need net of vat so midweek were £7.20
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£7.50...here to help.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 29, 2014
  • #139
chiefdave said:
Few more seasons at Sixfields and they'll be paying people to go! We must have the cheapest tickets in the FL.
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My local non league club charge more.
 
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