Sisu are doing the right thing (1 Viewer)

GaryJones · Feb 15, 2013

Taking into account all the comments made in the public domain so far I think Sisu are simply trying to do the right thing by the Football Club.
If they cannot access revenue streams from the Ricoh to supplement turnover from ticket sales we will have a squad the same size as Northampton Town once the new financial fair play rules kick in next season.
If we are only allowed to spend 60% of the annual turnover on the field without this additional turnover we will be forever struggling to make an impact in the game.
Sounds to me like Acl/Council took what they could when times were good believing that the football gravy train would continue on & on forever.
Now the shit has hit the fan (literally if youre a Sky Blue supporter) its time to accept that the football club needs help now (from the council) or they let the club as we know it shut for good.
Does anyone believe that Sisu has been raking it in since they saved us from admin all those years ago? Give them (and us) a break!
Neither the Council or Acl surely want to see the city of Coventry without a football club? Do they?
In my opinion they should sell it ALL to Sisu and let them get on with it!

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 15, 2013

One answer to the current issues. I am just in despair about everything

tippex9 · Feb 15, 2013

Agreed.......

ricohman · Feb 15, 2013

How can paying no rent be the right thing, and all this talk of 30 mil new Stadium is bollocks and acl know this. If they had any sense which they do they would state "if u can afford new Stadium u can afford to pay the rent"

Bennets Afro · Feb 15, 2013

Didn't ACL say the club would get additional revenue streams as part of the rent agreement???? SISU rejected it because they didn't want to pay any arrears and what by law they owe

Steve.B50 · Feb 15, 2013

SISU do not care
If they are not raking it and making a loss sell the club.
But while ACL are expected to walk away from what is still owing, SISU want to recoup everything they they have put in.

GaryJones · Feb 15, 2013

steve.b50 said:
sisu do not care
if they are not raking it and making a loss sell the club.
But while acl are expected to walk away from what is still owing, sisu want to recoup everything they they have put in.

sell to who?
Dont see the council ofdfering to buy it! (they could buy it via acl if they wanted too!)

Bennets Afro · Feb 15, 2013

Maybe because of SISU ridiculous asking price for a club that's worth not a lot

GaryJones · Feb 15, 2013

Bennets Afro said:
Didn't ACL say the club would get additional revenue streams as part of the rent agreement???? SISU rejected it because they didn't want to pay any arrears and what by law they owe

Yes you are right they did - however they didnt disclose how much the Revenue was! Why?

Mr B · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
Taking into account all the comments made in the public domain so far I think Sisu are simply trying to do the right thing by the Football Club.
If they cannot access revenue streams from the Ricoh to supplement turnover from ticket sales we will have a squad the same size as Northampton Town once the new financial fair play rules kick in next season.
If we are only allowed to spend 60% of the annual turnover on the field without this additional turnover we will be forever struggling to make an impact in the game.
Sounds to me like Acl/Council took what they could when times were good believing that the football gravy train would continue on & on forever.
Now the shit has hit the fan (literally if youre a Sky Blue supporter) its time to accept that the football club needs help now (from the council) or they let the club as we know it shut for good.
Does anyone believe that Sisu has been raking it in since they saved us from admin all those years ago? Give them (and us) a break!
Neither the Council or Acl surely want to see the city of Coventry without a football club? Do they?
In my opinion they should sell it ALL to Sisu and let them get on with it!

Don't agree SISU knew the terms when they bought the club as does anyone who rent's or has a mortgage on their house, I cannot turn round and say 'I'm not paying' as I risk loosing my home, the same stands for SISU. When we were looking relegated last season that is when they should of approached ACL to renegociate rather than ignore the Elephant in the room.

In my opinion the last thing I want is a hedge fund company owning The Ricoh who so easily could dissolve the asset, take the money and disappear, SISU have shown what an untrustworthy business partner they would be by the way they tried to force ACL out of business so they could get the ground for nothing.

I don't think you can blame the council or ACL for the predicament because revenue comes from other sources and they have been more than flexible by offering to lower the rent, yes other League One teams pay less than Coventry but do they have a fantastic facility like Coventry, no they do not.

GaryJones · Feb 15, 2013

As I said before the easiest way out of this mess is for the Council to "bite the bullet" and sell the lot to Sisu - they can concentrate on getting the bin collections etc right then!

Bennets Afro · Feb 15, 2013

Yes you are right they did - however they didnt disclose how much the Revenue was! Why?

Wasn't it said it was in the region of 300k

cloughie · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
Yes you are right they did - however they didnt disclose how much the Revenue was! Why?

ACL have said they would use an open accounting system so that all parties could see exactly what revenues were coming in

yet another stalling tatic from sisu

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
As I said before the easiest way out of this mess is for the Council to "bite the bullet" and sell the lot to Sisu - they can concentrate on getting the bin collections etc right then!

The club was claimed as being 'debt free' when SISU took over, and yet we allegedly tens of millions in debt again already.

Why can't we see them run the club properly for a start, before gifting them the stadium too

dongonzalos · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
Taking into account all the comments made in the public domain so far I think Sisu are simply trying to do the right thing by the Football Club.
If they cannot access revenue streams from the Ricoh to supplement turnover from ticket sales we will have a squad the same size as Northampton Town once the new financial fair play rules kick in next season.
If we are only allowed to spend 60% of the annual turnover on the field without this additional turnover we will be forever struggling to make an impact in the game.
Sounds to me like Acl/Council took what they could when times were good believing that the football gravy train would continue on & on forever.
Now the shit has hit the fan (literally if youre a Sky Blue supporter) its time to accept that the football club needs help now (from the council) or they let the club as we know it shut for good.
Does anyone believe that Sisu has been raking it in since they saved us from admin all those years ago? Give them (and us) a break!
Neither the Council or Acl surely want to see the city of Coventry without a football club? Do they?
In my opinion they should sell it ALL to Sisu and let them get on with it!

Unfortunately if they are doing the right thing by the club they have completely gone about it the wrong way.

For me personally the way they have gone about breeds complete mis trust.

From fans, the council and ACL.

The way they have him about I feel has set us back massively in our overall aims

Mr B · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
As I said before the easiest way out of this mess is for the Council to "bite the bullet" and sell the lot to Sisu - they can concentrate on getting the bin collections etc right then!

You are in a very small minority who think this way you are looking at a very tiny blinkered part of a bigger messier picture, highlighting what you believe is true over and over again doesn't make it right!

Oh and the easiest way to get out of this mess is for SISU to pay what they owe!!!!!!!!

valiant15 · Feb 15, 2013

Is this thread a wind up?

GaryJones · Feb 15, 2013

I think one thing that we all agree on is that SISU and ACL (Council) do not make ideal business partners and the fall out could be the destruction of the football club.
One should sell to the other - I dont care which way round this is done but while we have 2 parties pulling in opposite directions we only face more stress!
Which one of these 2 would be best running the club? God knows!

Mr B · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
I think one thing that we all agree on is that SISU and ACL (Council) do not make ideal business partners and the fall out could be the destruction of the football club.
One should sell to the other - I dont care which way round this is done but while we have 2 parties pulling in opposite directions we only face more stress!
Which one of these 2 would be best running the club? God knows!

Thats a quick change of tune! Why should the council buy out the football club? I am of the opinion that a successful football club is good for the City but if this is the case why did they not buy out Jaguar, why did they not help out the Rugby club when they were in trouble? they are a council and running the city is there most important function not to bail out failing or poorly run businesses.

Godiva · Feb 15, 2013

Mr B said:
Thats a quick change of tune! Why should the council buy out the football club? I am of the opinion that a successful football club is good for the City but if this is the case why did they not buy out Jaguar, why did they not help out the Rugby club when they were in trouble? they are a council and running the city is there most important function not to bail out failing or poorly run businesses.

Like ACL ....

twistandshout · Feb 15, 2013

Surely the Council can not afford CCFC to leave the Ricoh

If SISU do build a stadium in Warwick I am sure the local Pubs , Eateries , Bus Company and Taxi firms and Car parks wont mind the extra business , but Im not sure how popular Coventry Council will be with the locals firms that lose that trade.
In a recession when business are failing every day , this could be the final straw for many .

torchomatic · Feb 15, 2013

Spot on! Bailed out by CCC.

Godiva said:
Like ACL ....

Mr B · Feb 15, 2013

:facepalm:

Godiva said:
Like ACL ....

No the council bailed out ACL because the bank were going to foreclose on the mortgage because of what SISU are doing in not paying rent, LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE!

covcity4life · Feb 15, 2013

one way or another sisu are gonna get us out of this slow death

we will either rise again

or fall forever

either way its brave and needed

Mr B · Feb 15, 2013

I've had my fill of this thread unless you are of the opinion SISU are good and $hit nothing but golden eggs then no other logical, reasonable argument based on fact is relevant.

Sell the whole City to SISU as they run the football team so well!

Sick Boy · Feb 15, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
The club was claimed as being 'debt free' when SISU took over

The club was never debt free, don't tell me you actually believed that?!

sky blue john · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
As I said before the easiest way out of this mess is for the Council to "bite the bullet" and sell the lot to Sisu - they can concentrate on getting the bin collections etc right then!

Agreed but the problem is as it as been all along is that Sisu want the stadium and revenue streams they just don't want to pay for them.
That is why we have all this bullshit stand off !!!

shropshirecov · Feb 15, 2013

What would ACL charge AFC Coventry to play there in non league?

GaryJones · Feb 15, 2013

Mr B said:
I've had my fill of this thread unless you are of the opinion SISU are good and $hit nothing but golden eggs then no other logical, reasonable argument based on fact is relevant.

Sell the whole City to SISU as they run the football team so well!

The fact is that ONLY SISU came in and saved the Club from total collapse - Give them credit for that at least!

GaryJones · Feb 15, 2013

shropshirecov said:
What would ACL charge AFC Coventry to play there in non league?

Knowing the Council they would charge them £150 a match to play on Hearsall Common!

dongonzalos · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
The fact is that ONLY SISU came in and saved the Club from total collapse - Give them credit for that at least!

Controversial but they saved us from getting relegated to league one, having loads of debts and the potential of someone else picking us up on the cheap.

I would give them credit if they were able to take on the project they took on fact is they can't.

Lord_Nampil · Feb 15, 2013

I think one of the main problems in this is the fact the Council have left ACL to it, something which it looks like hasn't worked!

IMO

Rightly or wrong, as soon as silly talk started coming in the Council should have said enough is enough we are going to settle this dispute, 1./ by paying the bank of, and 2./ planning the future for the Ricoh which brings the city of Coventry together!

Sadly they have done part one but that's it, as a result ACL rightly or wrongly could destroy everything the council intended to do with the Ricoh!

As for SISU, what would other owners done differently? Probably pay a rent, but everything else i think would have been quite similar!!!!

Its strange how now 3 parties haven't been able to agree a deal with the council! Robinson and co, Manhattan and now SISU...

Mr B · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
The fact is that ONLY SISU came in and saved the Club from total collapse - Give them credit for that at least!

Thats not what the thread has been about and you know it, you keep moving the proverbial goalposts, yes they saved the club but they are now doing thier best to kill it.

GaryJones · Feb 15, 2013

The other problem as I see it is that some ACL board members are also members of the Council!

blueflint · Feb 15, 2013

GaryJones said:
Knowing the Council they would charge them £150 a match to play on Hearsall Common!

god we have a few :jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

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