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sisu: 1 week till we hear the truth (4 Viewers)

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 2, 2014
  • #106
Grendel said:
The people wouldn't care less either way. Do you seriously think the average Coventry citizen has any interest in what happens?
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Probably not, but surely the idea is to try and make them care.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2014
  • #107
Grendel said:
No - only a troll or a moron would think that
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If....if that were true, that the council wanted to unite the club with the stadium - leasing whatever - then we should be grateful. If they just wanted SISU out and another SISU ( e.g. Haskell real estate in instead of Joy "I majored in real estate" ) in because they don't like SISU, the no way should we be grateful.
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Jun 2, 2014
  • #108
Grendel said:
The people wouldn't care less either way. Do you seriously think the average Coventry citizen has any interest in what happens?
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You need to come to coventry and speak to the people, you will be suprised at what they think. I would bet on the answer would be to get rid of SISU as there is 10,000 supporters who stopped going when we were at the RICOH and they would vote to get rid of SISU.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 2, 2014
  • #109
No future with SISU said:
You need to come to coventry and speak to the people, you will be suprised at what they think. I would bet on the answer would be to get rid of SISU as there is 10,000 supporters who stopped going when we were at the RICOH and they would vote to get rid of SISU.
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Our crowds returned to our natural
Level in the final championship season after the new stadium effect had worn off. There were plenty of gates post relegation and pre sisu that were around 12,000 at Highfield road.
 

mrtickle

Member
  • Jun 2, 2014
  • #110
My concern Is what will sisu do if they lose JR. I do wonder if the delay in paying ACL is because they might just shut the whole thing down lock stock and barrel if they don't get the result they want. Hell, I could see them doing that even if they win and things don't go their way. I hope I'm wrong.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 2, 2014
  • #111
No future with SISU said:
You need to come to coventry and speak to the people, you will be suprised at what they think. I would bet on the answer would be to get rid of SISU as there is 10,000 supporters who stopped going when we were at the RICOH and they would vote to get rid of SISU.
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Have you spoken to them all? Must have taken ages
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #112
Nick said:
Have you spoken to them all? Must have taken ages
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In fairness he has probably spoken to more than you. I know what his occupation is ;-)
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #113
Grendel said:
Our crowds returned to our natural
Level in the final championship season after the new stadium effect had worn off. There were plenty of gates post relegation and pre sisu that were around 12,000 at Highfield road.
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Natural level? Our gates have gone down by about 20,000 since SISU took over. Coincidence?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #114
Grendel said:
Our crowds returned to our natural
Level in the final championship season after the new stadium effect had worn off. There were plenty of gates post relegation and pre sisu that were around 12,000 at Highfield road.
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15k is a pretty good natural level for a team having its worst season for nearly 50 years isn't it?

Does it still annoy you that Andy Thorne was able to draw in higher crowds than Eric Black?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #115
Grendel said:
Our crowds returned to our natural
Level in the final championship season after the new stadium effect had worn off. There were plenty of gates post relegation and pre sisu that were around 12,000 at Highfield road.
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What's the "natural level" again?

You really are a joke.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #116
Hobo said:
In fairness he has probably spoken to more than you. I know what his occupation is ;-)
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Granny call-girl?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #117
lordsummerisle said:
Granny call-girl?
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no, something that'd get him into contact with lots of City fans.

Samaritans Operative?
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #118
Nothing will change after this JR. I would bet on it!!
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #119
skybluebeduff said:
Nothing will change after this JR. I would bet on it!!
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I bet you 'something' will happen - a million quid.
 
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MichaelCCFC

New Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #120
skybluebeduff said:
Nothing will change after this JR. I would bet on it!!
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Said this already but...

The JR won't magically get us back to the ricoh but some people are underplaying its significance because it will be a really important moment for us cos if sisu win, it will mean the council has acted illegally and that's serious. If sisu lose, then the argument they've been making for over a year will have been dismissed as untrue which will then put them in the dock so to speak.

Also, there seem to be hints that there are documents in existence that will prove this is all the council's fault - a smoking gun if you like. Either a smoking gun will or won't be revealed - and it will need to be something big not just pics of councillors singing sisu out!

Muddying the waters and creating confusion is a key tactic in spin wars so focusing on two hopefully concrete outcomes of the JR is a good way to cut through the bs. As long as the judge doesn't fudge it!
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #121
shmmeee said:


What's the "natural level" again?

You really are a joke.
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The graph is irrelevant. The data omits from what I can see the average attendance for the League at the time. The data would show far higher average crowds in the 60's as the national trend was higher. You also need to extract away following as the propotionality is mugh higher in the Premier League.

I assume you teach at Play school. Please god don't tell me you teach senior school children. The ignorance is geniunely shocking.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #122
Personally I don't care who wins the JR.
Even if Sisu win they have hardly shown themselves to be good custodians for CCFC.
Therefore I feel it would be a catastrophe if they managed to get their hands on the Ricoh !!
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #123
These are the average home attendances since relegation from PL:

Championship at HR
2001/02 15,436
2002/03 14,812
2003/04 14,816
2004/05 16,047
Championship at Ricoh
2005/06 21,301
2006/07 20,342
2007/08 19,123
Championship under SISU at Ricoh (tookover Dec 2007)
2008/09 17,407
2009/10 17,305
2010/11 16,309
2011/12 15,118
League 1 under SISU at Ricoh
2012/13 10,948
League 1 under SISU at Northampton
2013/14 2,348

Whatever way you look at it since SISU took over (and before moving to Northampton) they'd already lost around 50% of the support, 25% of that prior to relegation. Of course you can look at all sorts of things, attendances overall, economy in the local area etc etc so it's hard to draw any solid conclusions.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #124
chiefdave said:
it's hard to draw any solid conclusions.
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nope, I'd say this was pretty solid

League 1 under SISU at Ricoh
2012/13 10,948
League 1 under SISU at Northampton
2013/14 2,348
 

skybluelee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #125
Grendel said:
Our crowds returned to our natural
Level in the final championship season after the new stadium effect had worn off. There were plenty of gates post relegation and pre sisu that were around 12,000 at Highfield road.
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There is no such thing as a 'natural level'. It is dependent on a combination of factor including what tier a team is playing in, how successful they are within that tier, and other factors such as hooliganism problems that caused a huge reduction in attendances nationwide in the 80s. Oh, and shit owners that move a team 35 miles away from its home.

If we move back to Coventry and continue to be a shit division 3 side we'll average about 10K, if we pulled off back to back promotions and got into the PL (ha!) we'd average around 25K due to the novelty factor of Coventry having a successful side, and the media coverage that would accompany it.

And not even you can seriously think otherwise.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #126
Grendel said:
The graph is irrelevant. The data omits from what I can see the average attendance for the League at the time. The data would show far higher average crowds in the 60's as the national trend was higher. You also need to extract away following as the propotionality is mugh higher in the Premier League.

I assume you teach at Play school. Please god don't tell me you teach senior school children. The ignorance is geniunely shocking.
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So if your saying attendance figures are a "joke", how did you determine what our "natural level" is?

Just plucked a number out of the air did you?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #127
skybluelee said:
There is no such thing as a 'natural level'. It is dependent on a combination of factor including what tier a team is playing in, how successful they are within that tier, and other factors such as hooliganism problems that caused a huge reduction in attendances nationwide in the 80s. Oh, and shit owners that move a team 35 miles away from its home.

If we move back to Coventry and continue to be a shit division 3 side we'll average about 10K, if we pulled off back to back promotions and got into the PL (ha!) we'd average around 25K due to the novelty factor of Coventry having a successful side, and the media coverage that would accompany it.

And not even you can seriously think otherwise.
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With the hooligan problem in the 80's, just after winning the cup we were averaging about 18k, (sounds pretty mediocre) yet this made us a very decently supported team compared to others at the time.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #128
Why do these thread veer off course every time?

Some sad bastards in here, very fucking sad!

Like the wrong'un below this post!!
 
Last edited: Jun 3, 2014

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #129
chiefdave said:
These are the average home attendances since relegation from PL:

Championship at HR
2001/02 15,436
2002/03 14,812
2003/04 14,816
2004/05 16,047
Championship at Ricoh
2005/06 21,301
2006/07 20,342
2007/08 19,123
Championship under SISU at Ricoh (tookover Dec 2007)
2008/09 17,407
2009/10 17,305
2010/11 16,309
2011/12 15,118
League 1 under SISU at Ricoh
2012/13 10,948
League 1 under SISU at Northampton
2013/14 2,348

Whatever way you look at it since SISU took over (and before moving to Northampton) they'd already lost around 50% of the support, 25% of that prior to relegation. Of course you can look at all sorts of things, attendances overall, economy in the local area etc etc so it's hard to draw any solid conclusions.
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The one factor you have to include is the impact initially of a new stadium - look at the average rise that gives and then factor that out.

Your prior to the ricoh crowds show the true average. Decline started after season one at the new ground. Other than 2008 to 2009 the decline back to pre Ricoh levels is incredibly consistent year on year.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #130
Grendel said:
The one factor you have to include is the impact initially of a new stadium - look at the average rise that gives and then factor that out.

Your prior to the ricoh crowds show the true average. Decline started after season one at the new ground. Other than 2008 to 2009 the decline back to pre Ricoh levels is incredibly consistent year on year.
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Have you accounted for gradual declining position in the Championship, a few blips, but we were in gradual decline.
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #131
Nick said:
Have you spoken to them all? Must have taken ages
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The poll firms do not speak to every one, do you take the piss out of the them. Have you got a answer how the 10,000 who stopped going under SISU would vote.
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #132
Grendel said:
The one factor you have to include is the impact initially of a new stadium - look at the average rise that gives and then factor that out.

Your prior to the ricoh crowds show the true average. Decline started after season one at the new ground. Other than 2008 to 2009 the decline back to pre Ricoh levels is incredibly consistent year on year.
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Really? Do you see the Ricoh as a tourist attraction. It's hardly something you want to keep going back to see so the new stadium factor should really apply to 3 games max.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #133
No future with SISU said:
The poll firms do not speak to every one, do you take the piss out of the them. Have you got a answer how the 10,000 who stopped going under SISU would vote.
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You don't know the 10,000 stopped going because SISU took over? You can't answer for them can you?

There could be a variety of reasons, it is the same as the statements that say 10,000 fans who don't go to Sixfields don't go because of principles.

Have you done a poll or just made a statement? Does that mean that the huge gates we had in the 40's etc stopped coming because they weren't happy with the owners? Could things like credit crunch, lack of work, Sky TV etc have made any difference?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #134
The Gentleman said:
Really? Do you see the Ricoh as a tourist attraction. It's hardly something you want to keep going back to see so the new stadium factor should really apply to 3 games max.
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Some people seem to overly like it.
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #135
Nick said:
You don't know the 10,000 stopped going because SISU took over? You can't answer for them can you?

There could be a variety of reasons, it is the same as the statements that say 10,000 fans who don't go to Sixfields don't go because of principles.

Have you done a poll or just made a statement? Does that mean that the huge gates we had in the 40's etc stopped coming because they weren't happy with the owners? Could things like credit crunch, lack of work, Sky TV etc have made any difference?
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I have met a few fans who stopped going under SISU control and they said they would not go while SISU are in control. I will ask the question "Do you want SISU gone first or a return to the RICOH first" and see what answer is the most popular.
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #136
Nick said:
Some people seem to overly like it.
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Just wish Sisu/Otium did then they might actually buy the sodding thing!
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #137
Nick said:
You don't know the 10,000 stopped going because SISU took over? You can't answer for them can you?

There could be a variety of reasons, it is the same as the statements that say 10,000 fans who don't go to Sixfields don't go because of principles.

Have you done a poll or just made a statement? Does that mean that the huge gates we had in the 40's etc stopped coming because they weren't happy with the owners? Could things like credit crunch, lack of work, Sky TV etc have made any difference?
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But the fall off is very dramatic and coincides with the move to Sixfields. Hardly figures you can use to illustrate the fan base are behind SISU.

You mention huge gates in the 40's, were they not typical nationally? Hasn't that decline been replicated all over the country for reason you touch on?

Hardly relevant to the our plummet in attendance since moving to Sixfields is it?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #138
So from you meeting a few fans you have come to the conclusion that is why 10,000 stopped going?

I don't argue some won't go until they are gone, but I reckon most would come back if we are back in Cov, and even more if we are back at the Ricoh.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #139
Hobo said:
But the fall off is very dramatic and coincides with the move to Sixfields. Hardly figures you can use to illustrate the fan base are behind SISU.

You mention huge gates in the 40's, were they not typical nationally? Hasn't that decline been replicated all over the country for reason you touch on?

Hardly relevant to the our plummet in attendance since moving to Sixfields is it?
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Of course it is because we have been moved away, if we went back to the Ricoh then I would hazard a guess attendances would go back up, even with SISU still there.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2014
  • #140
The Gentleman said:
Really? Do you see the Ricoh as a tourist attraction. It's hardly something you want to keep going back to see so the new stadium factor should really apply to 3 games max.
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So Southampton, derby, Brighton etc. only saw increased attendance for 3 games?

The tourist thing is interesting. People on here would have you believe everyone in Coventry loves it. A man who lives in a high rise in wood end could lose his job and his family in one day but would still go to bed content that the council are stopping a nasty wasty hedge fund from stealing the Ricoh. That knowledge alone means contentment for the citizens of our fair city.
 
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