Should Mark Robins be sacked? (7 Viewers)

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2018

Esoterica said:
his collapse we find ourselves on with the finish line in sight unless Robins does something fundamentally different

The other way of looking at that is what Robins has done has worked for the majority of his time here, so to change it on a blip would be unreasonable and show a lack of faith in the long term over the short term panic.

Which approach is correct can, of course, only be found out after the event.

As for season tickets I agree, I'm vaguely worried about next season. On the other hand (a bit like this one!) a cup run has probably boosted our coffers a little, and meant the urgency isn't quite there as it might otherwise have been.

Londonccfcfan · Feb 14, 2018

Its a bit premature. If we make play offs and then the final, would we not have a huge advantage of Being there a year ago albeit in checkatrade against a better Oxford Side and the big occasion and winning big games.
be happy to get 7th place and play the team that's finished 4th Feeling a bit sorry for themselves that they missied out on autos!
Its the way cookie crumbles and many a team that's sneaked 7th place have gone on and won the play offs.

ccfcway · Feb 14, 2018

better days said:
A few months back McNulty was being slated and a few weeks ago it was Biamou's turn

yep, the biamou slating has slowed down now he has scored 1 goal in about 25 league games

Adge · Feb 14, 2018

Give him till the end and if he doesn’t make the playoffs it’s time to say goodbye. If we loose in the lottery of the playoffs then I would give him another go next season.

stupot07 · Feb 14, 2018

ccfcway said:
yep, the biamou slating has slowed down now he has scored 1 goal in about 25 league games

If he was missing chances, people would be on his back, but we don't create any chances for him to miss. Its easy to pick on him, but there is no supply line.

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steve82 · Feb 14, 2018

italiahorse said:
Every year we rebuild again with lesser players.
If we don’t get up this year we won’t for many years to come.
The only way to stop the rot is to invest in the team and Sisu won’t do that.
A lot of people won’t be investing their money next year so the rot with lesser players will continue.

Well I will be investing again as I'll support my club through thin and thin.

I still feel we can go again next season but beyond 1 more season in L2 is a concern. I didn't expect us to bounce straight up so I'm not too downbeat.

Another transfer window to rebuild and a season of experience taken in by the players and management to what this league demands.

I expect us to be in the mix once more, stability is key at this point for me.

Hobo · Feb 14, 2018

It took more than a full season for Brian Clough to get Derby and Nottingham Forrest promotion.

It took Bill Shankley 3 or 4 years to get Liverpool promoted.

It took Alex Ferguson about 5 years to win the League with Manchester United.

Joe Royle took charge of Oldham around 81 or 82 and got them promotion around 91 or 92.

But lets just go ahead and call for another managers head as we need the bump factor.

The real problem is City's history has been too bumpy!

speedie87 · Feb 14, 2018

What ever happens this season I think robins can cover himself with the loss of jones and Andreu

I think he was one player a decent 9 from getting the right squad for the season.

Londonccfcfan · Feb 14, 2018

Hobo said:
It took more than a full season for Brian Clough to get Derby and Nottingham Forrest promotion.

It took Bill Shankley 3 or 4 years to get Liverpool promoted.

It took Alex Ferguson about 5 years to win the League with Manchester United.

Joe Royle took charge of Oldham around 81 or 82 and got them promotion around 91 or 92.

But lets just go ahead and call for another managers head as we need the bump factor.

The real problem is City's history has been too bumpy!

I think the results so far in this poll suggests no one calling for his head.

What a non event Poll.

Hobo · Feb 14, 2018

Londonccfcfan said:
I think the results so far in this poll suggests no one calling for his head.

What a non event Poll.

The title invites it and another poll to sack him if we don't finish 7th or above was in favour of sacking him. So my last post is more than relevant!!

Londonccfcfan · Feb 14, 2018

Hobo said:
The title invites it and another poll to sack him if we don't finish 7th or above was in favour of sacking him. So my last post is more than relevant!!

I actually agree and like your post.

Correct it’s very relevant. I’m in your camp believe in long termism.

CCFC54321 · Feb 14, 2018

I’ve said it on another thread last night Robins will walk if we lose the next three matches.

Doyle will take over till the end of the season and will have a experienced number 2 alongside him.

Otis · Feb 14, 2018

stupot07 said:
If he was missing chances, people would be on his back, but we don't create any chances for him to miss. Its easy to pick on him, but there is no supply line.

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Yep. People keep pointing out this obvious fact, but others choose to ignore it.

Weird.

Adge · Feb 14, 2018

Hobo said:
It took more than a full season for Brian Clough to get Derby and Nottingham Forrest promotion.

It took Bill Shankley 3 or 4 years to get Liverpool promoted.

It took Alex Ferguson about 5 years to win the League with Manchester United.

Joe Royle took charge of Oldham around 81 or 82 and got them promotion around 91 or 92.

But lets just go ahead and call for another managers head as we need the bump factor.

The real problem is City's history has been too bumpy!

A generation ago maybe. If anyone thinks we are likely to see anything like the time given to the above managers nowadays they are deluded. Bar the odd exceptions(Wenger et al) isn’t the average life 18 months?

steve82 · Feb 14, 2018

For me stability is key, the majority of managers in the top 10 are now working solely with there players and had more than 1 summer to work in the transfer market and our stats are not far off the others who have only had 1 summer to change things. Notably Swindon who sit just 4 points ahead who secured the inspired signing of Marc Richards this January.
Look at the top 3 currently and how long the gaffers been in charge

1st Luton - Nathan Jones - 67pts
Appointed 6th Jan 2016 -
5 transfer windows - 2 summers

2nd Accrington- John Coleman - 61pts
Appointed Sept 18th 2014 -
7 transfer windows - 3 summers

3rd Wycombe - Gareth Ainsworth 59pts
Appointed July 1st 2013 -
10 transfer windows - 5 summers

4th Notts County - Kevin Nolan - 57 pts
Appointed Jan 12 2017 -
3 transfer windows - 1 summer

5th Mansfield- Steve Evans - 56 pts
Appointed Nov 16th 2016 -
3 transfer windows - 1 summer

6th Swindon - David Flitcroft - 54 pts
Appointed June 5th 2017 -
2 transfer windows - 1 summer

7th Lincoln - Danny Cowley - 53 pts
Appointed may 13th 2016
4 transfer windows - 2 summers

8th Exeter city - Paul Tisdale - 52 pts
Appointed may 24th 2011 -
14 transfer windows - 7 summers

9th Coventry City - Mark Robins - 50pts
Appointed March 6th 2017 -
2 transfer windows - 1 summer

10th Colchester - John McGreal - 50pts
Appointed may 9th 2016 -
4 transfer windows - 2 summers

Londonccfcfan · Feb 14, 2018

Adge said:
A generation ago maybe. If anyone thinks we are likely to see anything like the time given to the above managers nowadays they are deluded. Bar the odd exceptions(Wenger et al) isn’t the average life 18 months?

Look closer at this league for example.

Luton, Accrington, Wycombe , Lincoln, Exeter.

Some of the longest serving managers in EFL

League position doesn’t lie. That’s evidence. Takes up to and longer than 2 years.

Londonccfcfan · Feb 14, 2018

steve82 said:
For me stability is key, the majority of managers in the top 10 are now working solely with there players and had more than 1 summer to work in the transfer market and our stats are not far off the others who have only had 1 summer to change things. Notably Swindon who sit just 4 points ahead who secured the inspired signing of Marc Richards this January.
Look at the top 3 currently and how long the gaffers been in charge

1st Luton - Nathan Jones - 67pts
Appointed 6th Jan 2016 -
5 transfer windows - 2 summers

2nd Accrington- John Coleman - 61pts
Appointed Sept 18th 2014 -
7 transfer windows - 3 summers

3rd Wycombe - Gareth Ainsworth 59pts
Appointed July 1st 2013 -
10 transfer windows - 5 summers

4th Notts County - Kevin Nolan - 57 pts
Appointed Jan 12 2017 -
3 transfer windows - 1 summer

5th Mansfield- Steve Evans - 56 pts
Appointed Nov 16th 2016 -
3 transfer windows - 1 summer

6th Swindon - David Flitcroft - 54 pts
Appointed June 5th 2017 -
2 transfer windows - 1 summer

7th Lincoln - Danny Cowley - 53 pts
Appointed may 13th 2016
4 transfer windows - 2 summers

8th Exeter city - Paul Tisdale - 52 pts
Appointed may 24th 2011 -
14 transfer windows - 7 summers

9th Coventry City - Mark Robins - 50pts
Appointed March 6th 2017 -
2 transfer windows - 1 summer

10th Colchester - John McGreal - 50pts
Appointed may 9th 2016 -
4 transfer windows - 2 summers

Lol. Ditto Steve.

steve82 · Feb 14, 2018

Londonccfcfan said:
Look closer at this league for example.

Luton, Accrington, Wycombe , Lincoln, Exeter.

Some of the longest serving managers in EFL

League position doesn’t lie. That’s evidence. Takes up to and longer than 2 years.

Sums up my last post exactly

Londonccfcfan · Feb 14, 2018

L

steve82 said:
Sums up my last post exactly

ol spooky at exactly the same time. Not for the first time

steve82 · Feb 14, 2018

Londonccfcfan said:
L

ol spooky at exactly the same time. Not for the first time

I can only assume you've a great mind!

It not a strange stat tho that sides who've stuck with there manager are reaping the benefits. 3 other sides who's manager had 1 summer are

Swindon who like us appointed a new manager and was relegated from L1 are poor at home as opposed to our away form.

Mansfield we're a steady L1 side and invested heavily in the squad last summer.

Notts county had a reasonable squad and are benefiting from the inspired loan of Jorge Grant

The rest have built there sides over summers and January windows.

ccfcway · Feb 14, 2018

stupot07 said:
Its easy to pick on him, but there is no supply line.

agreed. very few people are. I think we have been VERY supportive of him considering his stats

Hobo · Feb 14, 2018

Adge said:
A generation ago maybe. If anyone thinks we are likely to see anything like the time given to the above managers nowadays they are deluded. Bar the odd exceptions(Wenger et al) isn’t the average life 18 months?

I still think the more successful clubs have continuity. Even if the manager changes there is a core philosophy/plan at the club. Burton is a good example. I think the best legacy ever established was Shankley at Liverpool. The backroom he assembled late 50's at Liverpool lasted until late 80's/90.

Just because it is the modern trend to sack managers on average after 18 months doesn't mean it is the right way to go Adge?

Sky Blue Harry H · Feb 14, 2018

steve82 said:
Well I will be investing again as I'll support my club through thin and thin.

I still feel we can go again next season but beyond 1 more season in L2 is a concern. I didn't expect us to bounce straight up so I'm not too downbeat.

Another transfer window to rebuild and a season of experience taken in by the players and management to what this league demands.

I expect us to be in the mix once more, stability is key at this point for me.

Ditto - I'm in next year regardless

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 14, 2018

Londonccfcfan said:
Look closer at this league for example.

Luton, Accrington, Wycombe , Lincoln, Exeter.

Some of the longest serving managers in EFL

League position doesn’t lie. That’s evidence. Takes up to and longer than 2 years.

Bet their managers change things up when things go stale.

robbiekeane · Feb 14, 2018

Hobo said:
Joe Royle took charge of Oldham around 81 or 82 and got them promotion around 91 or 92

Fair play to the bloke. Doing well to even be alive at 91 never mind managing a team

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue · Feb 14, 2018

No, absolutely not.
The fans are at breaking point but that’s not due to Robin’s lack of effort. Only one person should be sacked and that’s Fisher.

SkyblueBazza · Feb 14, 2018

We have been changing managers for lesser results than we demand for many years now. It hasn't really worked in the past has it? There is an old saying that if you always do what you have always done, you always get the same result...which is wrong to an extent as you get overtaken by others.
The fact is that under Robins we have had more to actually cheer & celebrate than under any other manager for about 28yrs.

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johnwillomagic · Feb 14, 2018

Certainly no to sacking him now for sure though can understand why question might be raised.
For me as I said on the other poll would regard not making the play offs as failure and would not have a problem with him going if that was the case.

We have to stick with him for time being and arguably we have had more bad luck with injuries though everybody has them,
Not sure where I stand currently on keeping him at end of season if we do not make top 7!

Johhny Blue · Feb 15, 2018

Adge said:
Give him till the end and if he doesn’t make the playoffs it’s time to say goodbye. If we loose in the lottery of the playoffs then I would give him another go next season.

Why do you blink the playoffs are a lottery?

rupert_bear · Feb 15, 2018

So do we all reckon that another transfer window some more additions MR will change from playing 7 defenders to an offensive formation. The 7 defender policy was used when Jones was fit and we had Stevenson who could have come in for the injured Andrue. This I believe is the major gripe of the fans, negativity, no supply to our attackers, no shots at goal. This on going lack of creativity has been on going since way before Christmas and the Jones injury and not remedied in the last transfer window.

rupert_bear · Feb 15, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
We have been changing managers for lesser results than we demand for many years now. It hasn't really worked in the past has it? There is an old saying that if you always do what you have always done, you always get the same result...which is wrong to an extent as you get overtaken by others.
The fact is that under Robins we have had more to actually cheer & celebrate than under any other manager for about 28yrs.

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What have we had to cheer about under him beating Stoke City, what else ? I think the 2 Forest Green results negates that.

fernandopartridge · Feb 15, 2018

CCFC54321 said:
I’ve said it on another thread last night Robins will walk if we lose the next three matches.

Doyle will take over till the end of the season and will have a experienced number 2 alongside him.

The inexperienced player + experienced assistant did us brilliantly in the past

skybluetony176 · Feb 15, 2018

steve82 said:
For me stability is key, the majority of managers in the top 10 are now working solely with there players and had more than 1 summer to work in the transfer market and our stats are not far off the others who have only had 1 summer to change things. Notably Swindon who sit just 4 points ahead who secured the inspired signing of Marc Richards this January.
Look at the top 3 currently and how long the gaffers been in charge

1st Luton - Nathan Jones - 67pts
Appointed 6th Jan 2016 -
5 transfer windows - 2 summers

2nd Accrington- John Coleman - 61pts
Appointed Sept 18th 2014 -
7 transfer windows - 3 summers

3rd Wycombe - Gareth Ainsworth 59pts
Appointed July 1st 2013 -
10 transfer windows - 5 summers

4th Notts County - Kevin Nolan - 57 pts
Appointed Jan 12 2017 -
3 transfer windows - 1 summer

5th Mansfield- Steve Evans - 56 pts
Appointed Nov 16th 2016 -
3 transfer windows - 1 summer

6th Swindon - David Flitcroft - 54 pts
Appointed June 5th 2017 -
2 transfer windows - 1 summer

7th Lincoln - Danny Cowley - 53 pts
Appointed may 13th 2016
4 transfer windows - 2 summers

8th Exeter city - Paul Tisdale - 52 pts
Appointed may 24th 2011 -
14 transfer windows - 7 summers

9th Coventry City - Mark Robins - 50pts
Appointed March 6th 2017 -
2 transfer windows - 1 summer

10th Colchester - John McGreal - 50pts
Appointed may 9th 2016 -
4 transfer windows - 2 summers

They’re really surprising stats given that all the “best” advice seems to be sack the manager as a knee jerk reaction to a dip in results.

mark82 · Feb 15, 2018

rupert_bear said:
What have we had to cheer about under him beating Stoke City, what else ? I think the 2 Forest Green results negates that.

We played without fear against Stoke. It seems completely the opposite in the league. Stoke could end up being the highlight of the season, which is not what any of us want.

As I've said before, my issue isn't with results but with tactics. Bad results happen, we are just way too negative. I would favour someone with a more attacking approach (or at least a more balanced approach), and I think that would also bring us greater success. I do appreciate its difficult when you've lost your 2 most creative players to long term injury. We could maybe have done with a like for like Nazon replacement too.

mark82 · Feb 15, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
They’re really surprising stats given that all the “best” advice seems to be sack the manager as a knee jerk reaction to a dip in results.

Not sure it's ever the best advice. Long term stability is definitely a good thing if you have the right person.

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