Pretty sure people who go to fight against ISIS have been jailed for terrorism?
Have a bit of a read about the UK government knowledge of / relationship with the Manchester bombersCushy life in jail,Laughing at families of children butchered in Manchester what a laughing stock we’ve become!!!
Think it was one bloke and it wasn't specifically because he was fighting Isis, anyone can still crack on and do that I believe.
Although it wasn't presented that way in all the usual suspect locations.
Cheeky link
Executing 15 year olds, is this the UK or the Islamic state?She should only be allowed to return to this country to be executed.
Executing 15 year olds, is this the UK or the Islamic state?
You know what i meanShe's 20
Executing 15 year olds, is this the UK or the Islamic state?
It adds more fuel to their warped mindset though and makes martyrs out of them. As I mentioned before, in court the UK is not going to be able to charge her with a crime that is going to hand her a long-term custodial sentence.As Nick said, she's not 15, shes an enemy of state and should be treated like one. This is exactly the sort of person we shouldn't be showing compassion too, Her own layer hints at she can't be trusted.
It adds more fuel to their warped mindset though and makes martyrs out of them. As I mentioned before, in court the UK is not going to be able to charge her with a crime that is going to hand her a long-term custodial sentence.
The stripping of citizenship was always going to lead to this situation though.
Making martyrs out of these people only adds more fuel to the fire and continues their warped way of thinking - they’d be delighted if the state started executing the likes of her.Once shes back on these shores its game over, even if the removal of her citizenship holds up she'll just claim asylum and never leave. The safety of the population need to come before her rights.
Making martyrs out of these people only adds more fuel to the fire and continues their warped way of thinking - they’d be delighted if the state started executing the likes of her.
What does need to be addressed is tackling the cause of how and why a 15 year was groomed to such an extent and making sure that it’s being stamped out.
Executing them would just lead to even more instances of deaths of innocent people.
Exactly, it took place within the UK, until this is tackled and the root cause stamped out, it’ll keep happening. Burying your head in the sand and thinking the west has no part to play in tackling a problem that is happening and being created in the west isn’t going to help either.It's not our fault, I know people like to push the blame onto the west for everything, but she was given the best start in life, It was her father that caused this, he went to hate rally's with Anjem Choudary. Look no further then him.
Exactly, it took place within the UK, until this is tackled and the root cause stamped out, it’ll keep happening. Burying your head in the sand and thinking the west has no part to play in tackling a problem that is happening and being created in the west isn’t going to help either.
She’s as much of a British citizen as you are, she was groomed within the UK and its a problem in the UK and west in general and the root cause needs to be tackled.It may have happened in the UK, but it's not our fault, her parents are immigrants and they brought their vile ideology with them, she got it from them.
If these people hate the west so much, then why don't they go elsewhere? There's plenty of other countries who's views more align with their own. I do agree we shouldn't get involved in the middle east though.
The ‘west’ created a huge void in the Middle East that allowed ISIS to flourish. We should have kept out of there. Although the west isn’t directly responsible, there is some culpability.It may have happened in the UK, but it's not our fault, her parents are immigrants and they brought their vile ideology with them, she got it from them.
If these people hate the west so much, then why don't they go elsewhere? There's plenty of other countries who's views more align with their own. I do agree we shouldn't get involved in the middle east though.
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The ‘west’ created a huge void in the Middle East that allowed ISIS to flourish. We should have kept out of there. Although the west isn’t directly responsible, there is some culpability.
She’s as much of a British citizen as you are, she was groomed within the UK and its a problem in the UK and west in general and the root cause needs to be tackled.
The attitude of ‘them’ and the west absolving itself of any responsibility is only going to make it much, much worse.
Treating her through the legal system is the best way to protect our rightsOnce shes back on these shores its game over, even if the removal of her citizenship holds up she'll just claim asylum and never leave. The safety of the population need to come before her rights.
Making martyrs out of these people only adds more fuel to the fire and continues their warped way of thinking - they’d be delighted if the state started executing the likes of her.
What does need to be addressed is tackling the cause of how and why a 15 year was groomed to such an extent and making sure that it’s being stamped out.
Executing them would just lead to even more instances of deaths of innocent people.
It would add further fuel to their warped fire and they’d be made martyrs and used for grooming future generations to come. It’d be exactly what they want to happen as well.She’s obviously not going to be executed but I highly doubt for example the execution of Lee Rigbys murderers would lead to lore deaths it would just save the country a lifelong cost of keeping two worthless individuals housed in prison.
It would add further fuel to their warped fire and they’d be made martyrs and used for grooming future generations to come. It’d be exactly what they want to happen as well.
It would demean usIt really wouldn’t - there is zero evidence it would and these people are not brave soldiers but usually mindless dope heads. I highly doubt those two were groomed for anything just high on drugs with a thirst for violence and blood.
If Joe Cox murderer hung from a rope would he be a martyr? No just another waste of tax payer money gone
No doubt this pointless individual will be allowed back and thousands spent on her to protect her and give her a new identity
Treating her through the legal system is the best way to protect our rights
Yeah well let one of our courts decide thatAs Nick said, she's not 15, shes an enemy of state and should be treated like one. This is exactly the sort of person we shouldn't be showing compassion too, Her own layer hints at she can't be trusted.
It'll be grossly expensive, she'll be given a new identity, round the clock protection, likely groom others, all at the tax payers expense. Finish her and it's done, make her go 'missing' job done.
It really wouldn’t - there is zero evidence it would and these people are not brave soldiers but usually mindless dope heads. I highly doubt those two were groomed for anything just high on drugs with a thirst for violence and blood.
If Joe Cox murderer hung from a rope would he be a martyr? No just another waste of tax payer money gone
No doubt this pointless individual will be allowed back and thousands spent on her to protect her and give her a new identity
Death Penalty Cost
Recent Cost Studies A 2003 legislative audit in Kansas found that the estimated cost of a death penalty case was 70% more than the cost of a comparablewww.amnestyusa.org
Costs
Studies consistently find that the death penalty is more expensive than alternative punishments.deathpenaltyinfo.org
So what system would you like me to quote? Sudan? Iraq? Libya?You are quoting the US system the cost of the rugby murderers if they live a normal lifespan would be £1.9m each
Of course the Rigby killers were groomed into extremists, there was a lot more to it than them simply being on drugs and feeling like killing someone.It really wouldn’t - there is zero evidence it would and these people are not brave soldiers but usually mindless dope heads. I highly doubt those two were groomed for anything just high on drugs with a thirst for violence and blood.
If Joe Cox murderer hung from a rope would he be a martyr? No just another waste of tax payer money gone
No doubt this pointless individual will be allowed back and thousands spent on her to protect her and give her a new identity
It also doesn’t work as a deterrent. Which only leaves revenge, which is a really ugly characteristic to have in a decent functioning society. You’re lowering yourself as a nation basically to the level of the perpetrator.So what system would you like me to quote? Sudan? Iraq? Libya?
The US shows that the death penalty is *not* the cheap option - not that justice should be about cost, anyway. You can twist and turn all you like, but the evidence is that if you want to have a fair death penalty (and arguably the US one needs *more* checks!) then it costs you more money than other systems.
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