Shamima Begum Not Allowed Back. (3 Viewers)

pastythegreat · Feb 19, 2019

The Home Secretary has denied her entrance to the UK and revoked her British Citizenship.

Glad somebody had the balls to do the right thing and not roll over like we always have done in the past.

It would of been criminal if she had of been let back into the country after we refused entry to Asia Bibi.

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Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

Why shouldn’t she pay for her crimes. We ask other criminals to be returned

pastythegreat · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Why shouldn’t she pay for her crimes. We ask other criminals to be returned

Why should I pay for her to pay. She can pay for her crimes in the shithole she left for.
You know the saying, "You've made your bed"

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Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

It’s a perverse decision based on vengeance. Long live Great Britain paragon of the Christian virtues of you made your bed now lie in it. Which part of Christian doctrine is that one I wonder??

pastythegreat · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s a perverse decision based on vengeance. Long live Great Britain paragon of the Christian virtues of you made your bed now lie in it. Which part of Christian doctrine is that one I wonder??

Im not Christian so I don't know what your talking about.
Perverse, vengeance, inhumane, whatever! Who cares? I don't! She deserves everything she gets.

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westcountry_skyblue · Feb 19, 2019

People saying she was only 15 and nieve but I knew at 15 what's right and wrong anyway well done home secretary
Crack open a Thatchers cider me thinks!!!

mark82 · Feb 19, 2019

pastythegreat said:
The Home Secretary has denied her entrance to the UK and revoked her British Citizenship.

Glad somebody had the balls to do the right thing and not roll over like we always have done in the past.

It would of been criminal if she had of been let back into the country after we refused entry to Asia Bibi.

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Agree we should've taken Asia Bibi, but the difference with Begum is she is a British national. I would make her answer for her crimes personally, and be in control of her punishment.

I suspect, despite the latest development, we may eventually be forced to take her back.

chiefdave · Feb 19, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
People saying she was only 15 and nieve but I knew at 15 what's right and wrong anyway well done home secretary

I'll admit to doing some stupid things as a teenager but running off to another country to join a terror organisation wasn't one of them.

eastwoodsdustman · Feb 19, 2019

Nothing to do with vengeance and more to do with looking after the safety of the millions of law abiding citizens of the uk. Clearly she has no respect for the uk it’s laws and it’s citizens. You have to ask what her motives are, using the nhs aside.

ccfc92 · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s a perverse decision based on vengeance. Long live Great Britain paragon of the Christian virtues of you made your bed now lie in it. Which part of Christian doctrine is that one I wonder??

What would you have recommended / liked to have seen done Pete?

Genuine question, I'm interested to hear an alternative view?

clint van damme · Feb 19, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
People saying she was only 15 and nieve but I knew at 15 what's right and wrong anyway well done home secretary
Crack open a Thatchers cider me thinks!!!

I could go with the naive 15 year old argument if at 19 she'd shown a bit of remorse and hadn't said seeing a severed head in a bin hadn't fazed her.

Grendel · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Why shouldn’t she pay for her crimes. We ask other criminals to be returned

She has been convicted of a crime what are you on about?

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

ccfc92 said:
What would you have recommended / liked to have seen done Pete?

Genuine question, I'm interested to hear an alternative view?

Has to be the rule of law surely. We don’t use mob rule or do we?
She is a victim at 15 although responsible criminally for her actions of course as the age of criminality is 12 in the U.K. apart from when we decide its 10 for the Bulger pair.
At 19 and a British citizen she has seen things we wouldn’t ever see and I’m happy they have dehumanised her to say things that are just awful.
She should be allowed back in the U.K. to face the law. I’m almost ok with not risking anything to help her back but if the times and Sky can interview her it doesn’t seem as if it’s too dangerous to be there

Astute · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Why shouldn’t she pay for her crimes. We ask other criminals to be returned

Did she commit her crimes here? No. So why should we bring someone into the UK to punish them when they are a danger to the UK public?

She still thinks it is OK for women and children to be raped and murdered. Does anyone have an excuse for this?

Westendlad · Feb 19, 2019

clint van damme said:
I could go with the naive 15 year old argument if at 19 she'd shown a bit of remorse and hadn't said seeing a severed head in a bin hadn't fazed her.

Clint as i've quoted before....She went to syria at the age of 15 because she saw vids on youtube of her fellow mad islam nutters beheading westerners ......She's a sick bastard full stop.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

Grendel said:
She has been convicted of a crime what are you on about?

She should face justice why are we even letting her off!

Westendlad · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Has to be the rule of law surely. We don’t use mob rule or do we?
She is a victim at 15 although responsible criminally for her actions of course as the age of criminality is 12 in the U.K. apart from when we decide its 10 for the Bulger pair.
At 19 and a British citizen she has seen things we wouldn’t ever see and I’m happy they have dehumanised her to say things that are just awful.
She should be allowed back in the U.K. to face the law. I’m almost ok with not risking anything to help her back but if the times and Sky can interview her it doesn’t seem as if it’s too dangerous to be there

OMG........

Astute · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
She should face justice why are we even letting her off!

As I said 5 minutes ago what crime did she commit in the UK?

Leave her where she is to rot.

Westendlad · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
She should face justice why are we even letting her off!

We would be letting her off allowing her back in the UK you mad man........Honestly i despair.......

clint van damme · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Has to be the rule of law surely. We don’t use mob rule or do we?
She is a victim at 15 although responsible criminally for her actions of course as the age of criminality is 12 in the U.K. apart from when we decide its 10 for the Bulger pair.
At 19 and a British citizen she has seen things we wouldn’t ever see and I’m happy they have dehumanised her to say things that are just awful.
She should be allowed back in the U.K. to face the law. I’m almost ok with not risking anything to help her back but if the times and Sky can interview her it doesn’t seem as if it’s too dangerous to be there

Thing is Pete if she has dual citizenship then it is legal to revoke her British citezenship.
If she hasn't then I'm sure she'll win her appeal. I don't think the rule of law will have been compromised and like you I think that is the way it should be.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

Astute said:
Did she commit her crimes here? No. So why should we bring someone into the UK to punish them when they are a danger to the UK public?

She still thinks it is OK for women and children to be raped and murdered. Does anyone have an excuse for this?

Would think treason

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

clint van damme said:
Thing is Pete if she has dual citizenship then it is legal to revoke her British citezenship.
If she hasn't then I'm sure she'll win her appeal. I don't think the rule of law will have been compromised and like you I think that is the way it should be.

I’ve been advised by a friend who is a lawyer that children of immigrants whose parents came rather than were born in this country have no automatic right to citizenship so may not win an appeal. That would be a tough life lesson

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

Westendlad said:
We would be letting her off allowing her back in the UK you mad man........Honestly i despair.......

Really?? So you’d prefer she doesn’t face justice

clint van damme · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
I’ve been advised by a friend who is a lawyer that children of immigrants whose parents came rather than were born in this country have no automatic right to citizenship so may not win an appeal. That would be a tough life lesson

So that would still mean the government had acted lawfully??

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

Astute said:
Did she commit her crimes here? No. So why should we bring someone into the UK to punish them when they are a danger to the UK public?

She still thinks it is OK for women and children to be raped and murdered. Does anyone have an excuse for this?

No literally no one has an excuse for it

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

clint van damme said:
So that would still mean the government had acted lawfully??

He’s suggesting so yep

pastythegreat · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Really?? So you’d prefer she doesn’t face justice

She's living in a refugee camp, with a baby who's father is dead and no family around her.
I'm pretty sure she'll suffer much more where she is than she will if we let our "justice" system to deal with her. A few years in the nick with a quilt and an Xbox to be released into a council flat with her baby and all the benifits that come with it just to brainwash him into blowing up a load of teenagers at a concert when he's old enough to. No thanks. Let the c**t rot.

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chiefdave · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Why shouldn’t she pay for her crimes. We ask other criminals to be returned

We ask for people to be returned if they have committed a crime in the UK and then fled the country.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Feb 19, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
I’ve been advised by a friend who is a lawyer that children of immigrants whose parents came rather than were born in this country have no automatic right to citizenship so may not win an appeal. That would be a tough life lesson

Does that just apply to their children who weren't born here? I thought being born in a country gave automatic citizenship? Otherwise that could potentially leave lots of people stateless, which is also illegal under international law I thought? Which takes precedence?

eastwoodsdustman · Feb 19, 2019

Surely she’s a citizen of the caliphate or Islamic state.

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2019

I wouldn’t start celebrating just yet. This seems to have been done on the premise that she qualifies for dual nationality with Bangladesh. If Bangladesh refuses her citizenship she’ll revert back to the only citizenship she’s ever had. British. This will be the premise of her appeal. Which the Home Secretary has already confirmed she’s entitled to. All cases were this has been successfully done before the individual has already had dual nationality as far as I can see.

mark82 · Feb 19, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Does that just apply to their children who weren't born here? I thought being born in a country gave automatic citizenship? Otherwise that could potentially leave lots of people stateless, which is also illegal under international law I thought? Which takes precedence?

Turns out she has dual-nationality in Bangladesh, so assume she will be sent there.

mark82 · Feb 19, 2019

eastwoodsdustman said:
Surely she’s a citizen of the caliphate or Islamic state.

Not a country though. I see your point but under international law it obviously isn't recognised.

mark82 · Feb 19, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
I wouldn’t start celebrating just yet. This seems to have been done on the premise that she qualifies for dual nationality with Bangladesh. If Bangladesh refuses her citizenship she’ll revert back to the only citizenship she’s ever had. British. This will be the premise of her appeal. Which the Home Secretary has already confirmed she’s entitled to. All cases were this has been successfully done before the individual has already had dual nationality as far as I can see.

The way I read it she already had dual-nationality. If it's just that she could have it, then I can potentially see her winning an appeal.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 19, 2019

Astute said:
As I said 5 minutes ago what crime did she commit in the UK?

Leave her where she is to rot.

How do you guarantee that?

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