Grendel
Well-Known Member
so you agree it’s more a policy issue they should have in a manifesto?
You deserve the like just for thisIt's such a complicated decision, it's just not possible to boil down to a simple yes/no. It's why we elect politicians, to debate the things endlessly and come up with the 'right' decision.
Well, in theory, at least(!)
What time is the vote scheduled for?
The massively stupid thing we did was invoke Article 50 straight away. I have no idea why all politicians hurtled towards this as a good idea! Would have been far better if we'd got some kind of coherent strategy before starting negotiations, that took on board a general consensus, and *then* seen what deal, if any, was out there for us.
I was responding (factually) to what people mean by the ‘taking back control of our money comment’.
We obviously get benefits, however, if you’re asking, do I think we should have been second/third largest net contributor....probably not. We’ve always been on the periphery of the union.
Other than geographically on what planet have we been at the periphery? We’re a major player that punches well above our weight.
I fully agree.You deserve the like just for thisIt's such a complicated decision, it's just not possible to boil down to a simple yes/no. It's why we elect politicians, to debate the things endlessly and come up with the 'right' decision.
Well, in theory, at least(!)
Sorry,can't agree. We are basically ruled and governed by Brussels. EU laws are everywhere! Our farming and fishing rights suffer badly. You can't fart without breaking some stupid EU law or other! Let's live by our OWN rules and laws!But we were also fine in as well....We'd have been fine had we voted to stay in as well.
So what EU rules specifically we’re having a personally detrimental effect on your life?Sorry,can't agree. We are basically ruled and governed by Brussels. EU laws are everywhere! Our farming and fishing rights suffer badly. You can't fart without breaking some stupid EU law or other! Let's live by our OWN rules and laws!
Sorry,can't agree. We are basically ruled and governed by Brussels. EU laws are everywhere! Our farming and fishing rights suffer badly. You can't fart without breaking some stupid EU law or other! Let's live by our OWN rules and laws!
Which rule has the UK voted against and been defeated that you don’t like?
a stupid loaded question
here’s a law I don’t like
the European Arrest Warrant
a stupid loaded question
here’s a law I don’t like
the European Arrest Warrant
That seems a very odd choice. So you'd prefer it if someone committing a crime in this country could just run off abroad? Or have you done things that put you in danger of it....?
Sorry,can't agree. We are basically ruled and governed by Brussels. EU laws are everywhere! Our farming and fishing rights suffer badly. You can't fart without breaking some stupid EU law or other! Let's live by our OWN rules and laws!
oddly I take the view of many human rights advocates who oppose it.
Except in 2014 and again in 2017.The other reason I mentioned it was of course that parliament never actually voted on it
I've since moved from the Isle of Wight, but while I was there, I could fish from any pierhead quite happily. 3 years ago an EU ruling was brought into force to say that landed bass size had now increased from 16" to 18". Doesn't sound a lot but when you're constantly putting good fish back because of the EU, it pissed off a lot of locals. Then 2 years ago, the EU brought in yet another, newer ruling stating that all bass landed must be 18" and only ONE bass per angler would be allowed to be taken from the water! Set that against what the French, Spanish and God knows who's trawlers were helping themselves to UK waters fish!So what EU rules specifically we’re having a personally detrimental effect on your life?
I’d love just one person to answer this question.
I've since moved from the Isle of Wight, but while I was there, I could fish from any pierhead quite happily. 3 years ago an EU ruling was brought into force to say that landed bass size had now increased from 16" to 18". Doesn't sound a lot but when you're constantly putting good fish back because of the EU, it pissed off a lot of locals. Then 2 years ago, the EU brought in yet another, newer ruling stating that all bass landed must be 18" and only ONE bass per angler would be allowed to be taken from the water! Set that against what the French, Spanish and God knows who's trawlers were helping themselves to UK waters fish!
I know land-lubbers won't give a shit, but this is just ONE EU rule we have to abide by as members! So, fuck 'em! Let's get OUT!!!!!
The only water that the British fleet has really lost is to Iceland in the cod wars and that was a nato ruling.The UK have been a major part of bringing in fishing quotas and no-take zones to ensure sustainability of fish stocks. The fishing industry in Britain was on its knees long before the EU because we massively over-fished our waters and took too many fish before they'd reached maturity and so there was far reduced spawning harming stocks into the future.
There was a piece on Springwatch where they'd introduced a no take zone around an island around Scotland which the fish spawned in. They were not instructed to do so by the EU or forced into it by some EU regulation - it was a decision taken at a UK level. Fish stocks increased massively and in a few years fishermen's hauls had increased.
Although I'd expect certain MP's to remove restrictions because they only see the £££ right now of a fish court, there is a very strong advocacy for increasing the number of no-take zones in British waters which would have far more traction if they only had to deal with the UK and the UK fishing fleet
Frankly I'm surprised anglers are permitted to take any fish - it's a sport/hobby. If you want to catch fish to eat them then that's fishing and should be under completely different rules.
Don't think that UK fishermen aren't out there taking stocks from foreign waters either. The CFP has major flaws but many of these no-fishing protections are there for a reason and there is no reason to assume that a UK parliament would remove them.
The EU brought in those restrictions at the request of the UK government due to concerns the stocks were dropping to levels where the ability to repopulate is impacted.3 years ago an EU ruling was brought into force to say that landed bass size had now increased from 16" to 18". Doesn't sound a lot but when you're constantly putting good fish back because of the EU, it pissed off a lot of locals. Then 2 years ago, the EU brought in yet another, newer ruling stating that all bass landed must be 18" and only ONE bass per angler would be allowed to be taken from the water! Set that against what the French, Spanish and God knows who's trawlers were helping themselves to UK waters fish!
I know land-lubbers won't give a shit, but this is just ONE EU rule we have to abide by as members! So, fuck 'em! Let's get OUT!!!!!
The EU brought in those restrictions at the request of the UK government due to concerns the stocks were dropping to levels where the ability to repopulate is impacted.
But even if you ignore that do you think if we leave it will just be a free for all where you can do whatever you like? Or is it more likely we will still need a trade deal that covers fisheries and that will likely mean accepting EU quotas meaning the only difference will be that we will no longer have a say in how those quotas are set.
Fuck me mate! I was on about fishing off the end of a pier for a handful of bass to stick in me freezer, not off on a jolly in a fuckin' great trawler! Nice bit of Googling by the way! Still means fuck all to me!The UK have been a major part of bringing in fishing quotas and no-take zones to ensure sustainability of fish stocks. The fishing industry in Britain was on its knees long before the EU because we massively over-fished our waters and took too many fish before they'd reached maturity and so there was far reduced spawning harming stocks into the future.
There was a piece on Springwatch where they'd introduced a no take zone around an island around Scotland which the fish spawned in. They were not instructed to do so by the EU or forced into it by some EU regulation - it was a decision taken at a UK level. Fish stocks increased massively and in a few years fishermen's hauls had increased.
Although I'd expect certain MP's to remove restrictions because they only see the £££ right now of a fish court, there is a very strong advocacy for increasing the number of no-take zones in British waters which would have far more traction if they only had to deal with the UK and the UK fishing fleet
Frankly I'm surprised anglers are permitted to take any fish - it's a sport/hobby. If you want to catch fish to eat them then that's fishing and should be under completely different rules.
Don't think that UK fishermen aren't out there taking stocks from foreign waters either. The CFP has major flaws but many of these no-fishing protections are there for a reason and there is no reason to assume that a UK parliament would remove them.
Fuck me mate! I was on about fishing off the end of a pier for a handful of bass to stick in me freezer, not off on a jolly in a fuckin' great trawler! Nice bit of Googling by the way! Still means fuck all to me!
There is a HUGE difference between coarse angling and sea angling! Totally different equipment for a start! You are obviously not an angler of any kind. Jeez! Even fly fishing is a sport of it's own! You would never catch from a lake or river and want to eat your catch unless it's salmon or trout and they have had limits on them for decades! Oh, and I've never heard of a difference between 'angling' and 'fishing'. They're the same thing.Most of that info was actually from years back doing GCSE and A-Level geography! Apart from the Springwatch bit - that was because I watched the programme.
I get your only wanting one or two for yourself, but I've always felt the distinction between angling and fishing was that anglers did it for the enjoyment of catching the fish, weighing and photographing and then putting them back. Fishing is for consumption and the two should be considered different by the authorities and have different rules. You were also harming the UK fishing industry by catching your own rather than buying those caught by the professional fishermen who rely on it for their living
Having said that there is apparently a problem with a few predominantly foreign individuals taking fish out of local fishing spots like Coombe Abbey.
If someone does make a suggestion, you'll likely disagree, so there's no point.So what EU rules specifically we’re having a personally detrimental effect on your life?
I’d love just one person to answer this question.
No fishermen I know ever refer to it as "Angling" . It's just fishing. Posh twats call it angling.Most of that info was actually from years back doing GCSE and A-Level geography! Apart from the Springwatch bit - that was because I watched the programme.
I get your only wanting one or two for yourself, but I've always felt the distinction between angling and fishing was that anglers did it for the enjoyment of catching the fish, weighing and photographing and then putting them back. Fishing is for consumption and the two should be considered different by the authorities and have different rules. You were also harming the UK fishing industry by catching your own rather than buying those caught by the professional fishermen who rely on it for their living
Having said that there is apparently a problem with a few predominantly foreign individuals taking fish out of local fishing spots like Coombe Abbey.
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