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  • Start date Mar 27, 2013
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mark82

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  • Mar 27, 2013
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Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but our one real asset, the training ground, is held by the company not in administration. I have a fear that SISU could hold onto this and either rip us off with rent or build houses on it. Anyone know where we stand on this?
 

torchomatic

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #2
I've just called Sculder and Mully. They'll get to the bottom of it.

mark82 said:
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but our one real asset, the training ground, is held by the company not in administration. I have a fear that SISU could hold onto this and either rip us off with rent or build houses on it. Anyone know where we stand on this?
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Godiva

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #3
torchomatic said:
I've just called Sculder and Mully. They'll get to the bottom of it.
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They can only do something if the truth is out there.
As sisu is involved there are no truth to be found (according to many) so they will be on an impossible mission.
 
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SonofErnie

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #4
If I were the new owners (big leap of faith) I'd simply build a new training facility, perhaps in the area around the Ricoh. Perhaps the academy could be based there also. It's similar to Man City's scheme, but obviously on a much smaller scale.
 

torchomatic

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #5
From this day forth Ryton shall be known as Area 51.
 

torchomatic

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #6
Mmm...sounds familiar.....

mark82 said:
....I have a fear that SISU could hold onto this and either rip us off with rent....
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BrisbaneBronco

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #7
If I remember correctly SISU mortgaged Ryton a couple of seasons ago to get their hands on some cash to pay wages/bills etc. Not sure it was for the full value. So at the very least I suspect Ryton is part owned by a financial institution.(Let me guess, who are something to do with SISU/Arvo whatever!!!)
 

mark82

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #8
torchomatic said:
Mmm...sounds familiar.....
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Yup. Could be pay back.
 

ccfc92

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #9
BrisbaneBronco said:
If I remember correctly SISU mortgaged Ryton a couple of seasons ago to get their hands on some cash to pay wages/bills etc. Not sure it was for the full value. So at the very least I suspect Ryton is part owned by a financial institution.(Let me guess, who are something to do with SISU/Arvo whatever!!!)
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i thought they payed the mortgage off before the season started :S?
 

mark82

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  • Mar 27, 2013
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torchomatic said:
I've just called Sculder and Mully. They'll get to the bottom of it.
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Many Thanks.
 

BrisbaneBronco

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  • Mar 27, 2013
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ccfc92 said:
i thought they payed the mortgage off before the season started :S?
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What, are you suggesting SISU paid back money owed, surely not.
 

ccfc92

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #12
:thinking about:
BrisbaneBronco said:
What, are you suggesting SISU paid back money owed, surely not.
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i know its hard to believe :facepalm:

But im 99% certain they bought Ryton back in the summer, unless that was a lie aswel
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Mar 27, 2013
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ccfc92 said:
i thought they payed the mortgage off before the season started :S?
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Which company paid it back? or should I say which company did they transfer the mortgage to and used the Training Ground as Colaterel
 
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Colin1883

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #14
ccfc92 said:
i thought they payed the mortgage off before the season started :S?
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They led us to believe we were debt free... Look how that turned out...
 

ajsccfc

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #15
They've already got to Google.

 

BurbageSkyBlues

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #16
Warwickhunt said:
Which company paid it back? or should I say which company did they transfer the mortgage to and used the Training Ground as Colaterel
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You are probably closer to the truth than you know.......

My guess.....CCFC owned Ryton, it was mortgaged to raise cash (possibly undervalued?). The mortgage was payed off by Arvo, who now own the ground......for a lower cost than what it is worth. Then, when they exit the football club, they have assets 'land banked' for future development and hence profit to offset the losses in the football club.

Only my opinion on events.......maybe OSB can confirm some of the transactional details, from accounts?

Apply this approach to other 'assets' that were formerly owned by our club (players, etc?) and we see that they have all been moved out of CCFC, the only bit in admin. And, of course, we have a Sisu appointed administrator.......so , just how deeply will he look into previous transactions, and what will he publicly reveal? Will he truly be independent and impartial?

I believe that other cases of court actions, with Sisu involved, have included issues surrounding the impartiality or similar (conflict of interest?) of the administrator(s)

Just my concerns.....
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #17
Yeah Burbage, I think you just hit one nail on the head there.

Any new owner will have to pay a premium to buy it back or build their own facililty elsewhere and SISU will simply sell the land on to a developer.

Still thinking aloud here, maybe the council could find some land inside the city boundary to locate a new training ground, I'm sure something managable could be put in place in a year & finished off in 2, meanwhile there will be 1 season of renting out somewhere else (Ryton, LOL). Call their bluff...
 

davebart

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #18
what are you suggesting that they rip off the club for that as well
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #19
davebart said:
what are you suggesting that they rip off the club for that as well
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It would help if you clarify who are you talking about?
 

davebart

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #20
the council
 

Waldorf

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #21
I'm pretty sure that Ryton is listed on the ARVO debenture (along with everything other than players - down to the paper clips). So if CCFC(holdings) don't lay claim to it, ARVO will.
If it gets to SISU being left with Ryton and no club, they'll have difficulty selling it for development. People in Ryton village are very jealous of their position as being outside Coventry. I doubt Warwick DC would grant planning permission..
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Mar 27, 2013
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If that's the case Waldorf then its value is limited to what SISU can sell it on to a new owner for.

Like I said I'm only thinking aloud & articulating possible scenarios, I'm not really advocating them, we wlll see where it goes won't we.
 

mattylad

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #23
Jack Griffin said:
If that's the case Waldorf then its value is limited to what SISU can sell it on to a new owner for.

Like I said I'm only thinking aloud & articulating possible scenarios, I'm not really advocating them, we wlll see where it goes won't we.
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Maybe they will rent it back to the new club at lets say errrrrr 1.3m per year?
 
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LarryGrayson

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #24
Waldorf said:
If it gets to SISU being left with Ryton and no club, they'll have difficulty selling it for development. People in Ryton village are very jealous of their position as being outside Coventry. I doubt Warwick DC would grant planning permission..
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the club under mcginnity tried to sell it but cudnt as bobody cud get plannin permission
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #25
Don't think the Ryton land is as valuable as you think. I am sure back in the Richardson days planning for residential re-development was turned down, but then things have moved on since with the Peugeot plant closing.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #26
Yeah, and the current government's attitude to out of town development is markedly different too.
 
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leicesterskyblue

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #27
Head of planning for Warwick DC is also head of planning for CCC....its safe...
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #28
leicesterskyblue said:
Head of planning for Warwick DC is also head of planning for CCC....its safe...
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It's Rugby though isn't it? In Rugby the council is famed for it's honesty. Ahem...
 
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leicesterskyblue

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #29
my mistake, I was responding to an above post. No idea about Rugby Council, never had anything to do with them
 
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warwickcccfc

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  • Mar 27, 2013
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torchomatic said:
Mmm...sounds familiar.....
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I hear that you will follow the next club SISU takeover, Torchy!

LOL!!!
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #31
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It's Rugby though isn't it? In Rugby the council is famed for it's honesty. Ahem...
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If it is Rugby gouncil there is a good chance travellers will get it
 

Waldorf

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #32
leicesterskyblue said:
Head of planning for Warwick DC is also head of planning for CCC....its safe...
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Since when? (That's a serious question, by the way. I've never heard of planning heads' jobs being brought together like that)
 
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japandy

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #33
Even they own the land who do they get planning permission from?
 

cloughie

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #34
Arvo have a charge over Ryton and any other minimal assets we have
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Mar 27, 2013
  • #35
japandy said:
Even they own the land who do they get planning permission from?
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Rugby Borough council, you can download a map, it is in Dunsmore Ward.
http://www.rugby.gov.uk/site/scripts/download_info.php?downloadID=2162&fileID=5461
 
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