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Rumour: Hoffman and Elliot takeover negotiations (2 Viewers)

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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,396
rupert_bear said:
But transfer fees are not going towards ccfc for team building are they, if they were or just a small percentage was perhaps we wouldn't now be in division 4.
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Going towards running the club, as they would then without the other 50%...
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,397
torchomatic said:
There would always be others. If SISU came out and said "CCFC is for sale" then I think we would see others interested.
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It never stopped Hoffman putting offers in for the club on several occasions in the past 5 years, what is stopping these others doing it? Maybe because their isn't any? Who knows.
 
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sky blue john

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,398
torchomatic said:
Well we've got to build a team to gain those promotions and we'll be hamstrung with half of any money we make to build a better team going to SISU! I think it's madness but just my opinion, of course.
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But more fans are likely to get behind the club which might offset what Sisu will need to be given.
The club under Sisu is in decline they are still trying to get to the bottom of the cycle. If you think its madness then you must think Sisu can turn it around?
Will season tickets be up next season?
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,399
Nick said:
Who are all of the investors for these bids?
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Good point. If there's 7 investors then who are the other 6?
 

skybluebeduff

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,400
Nick said:
Who are all of the investors for these bids?
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Who are SISU's investors? Let's ask that question first considering they're the ones gaining from our club..
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,401
skybluebeduff said:
Who are SISU's investors? Let's ask that question first considering they're the ones gaining from our club..
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That doesn't really answer it, you missed my point. Also, using what SISU do as an example when talking about any potential new owners is a bad sign.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,402
sky blue john said:
But more fans are likely to get behind the club which might offset what Sisu will need to be given.
The club under Sisu is in decline they are still trying to get to the bottom of the cycle. If you think its madness then you must think Sisu can turn it around?
Will season tickets be up next season?
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Where did I say SISU could turn it around. You don't need to make stuff up. I'm saying I want them gone NOW and not be in hock to them for another three years.

As for this explosion in ticket sales once they have gone well I will believe that when it happens.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,403
skybluebeduff said:
It never stopped Hoffman putting offers in for the club on several occasions in the past 5 years, what is stopping these others doing it? Maybe because their isn't any? Who knows.
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How many of them have been serious offers? Anybody could sit and offer things they know SISU would never entertain.

Going forward he may well do that, but offering token amounts with numbers to represent 1987 doesn't show a serious bid.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,404
torchomatic said:
Good point. If there's 7 investors then who are the other 6?
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Why should they disclose themselves at this moment in time, and while we are at it who are the sisu investors?
 
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skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,405
rupert_bear said:
Why should they disclose themselves at this moment in time, and while we are at it who are the sisu investors?
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Because SkyBlueTalk want answers!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,406
rupert_bear said:
Why should they disclose themselves at this moment in time, and while we are at it who are the sisu investors?
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Why should they disclose themselves?

Surely hidden away investors and faceless people is bad, no matter whether it's SISU or Hoffman fronting it?

Read the context of what brought that up, I'm sure you will understand then.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,407
skybluebeduff said:
Because SkyBlueTalk want answers!
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Or because you said they were transparent as a difference to SISU, then in reply used SISU to justify it.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,408
Nick said:
That doesn't really answer it, you missed my point. Also, using what SISU do as an example when talking about any potential new owners is a bad sign.
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You're not going to know the investors whilst bids are being prepared are you? I look at it this way Nick, how can it get any worse than SISU?
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,409
Nick said:
Who are all of the investors for these bids?
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Don't see the issue, we don't know who SISU investors are and never will, we do know who some of the Hoff investors are and should we find out the others (hope & expect so) the situation will be a great deal more transparent than at present.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,410
rupert_bear said:
Why should they disclose themselves at this moment in time, and while we are at it who are the sisu investors?
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So you are using SISU as an example now? If it's good enough for them then it's good enough for Hoff?
 
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Generally Midfield

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,411
Monners said:
I find it hard to work out why some of our fans are against the idea of a consortium of City fans attempting to buy out Sisu. It really is bizarre.
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Bizarre is maybe putting it a bit strong but if the choice boils down to

(a) continuing with an owner who doesn't care about football and doesn't invest

or

(b) a consortium of City fans who want us to do well

doesn't seem too tricky which to opt for
 
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skybluebeduff

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,412
Nick said:
Or because you said they were transparent as a difference to SISU, then in reply used SISU to justify it.
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How can you talk about transparency when they are only just trying to save our club? SISU have had nearly 10 years to be transparent about it, do you think Hoff will do the same, or just presuming so?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,413
skybluebeduff said:
You're not going to know the investors whilst bids are being prepared are you? I look at it this way Nick, how can it get any worse than SISU?
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Don't we want it to be as best as can possibly be?
 

torchomatic

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,414
Monners said:
I find it hard to work out why some of our fans are against the idea of a consortium of City fans attempting to buy out Sisu. It really is bizarre.
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I don't think anyone is against it, are they? It's the old not allowed to question GH, isn't it?
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,415
Generally Midfield said:
Bizarre is maybe putting it a bit strong but if the choice boils down to

(a) continuing with an owner who doesn't care about football and doesn't invest

or

(b) a consortium of City fans who want us to do well

doesn't seem too tricky which to opt for
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It's not an either / or
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,416
skybluebeduff said:
How can you talk about transparency when they are only just trying to save our club? SISU have had nearly 10 years to be transparent about it, do you think Hoff will do the same, or just presuming so?
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No, I am saying they aren't very transparent also at this moment in time. Justifying it because SISU aren't doesn't work, we should want any new owner to be the opposite and not even comparable on any level.

It is you presuming.

Let's hope he does make an offer they can't refuse and everything is run completely different.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,417
Deleted member 5849 said:
Don't we want it to be as best as can possibly be?
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Being rid of SISU is the best it can possibly be, like I've said, how can it possibly get worse than SISU? I'm a gambling man, I would risk new owners over SISU on every chance I could get. We know the direction with SISU, what we don't know is where they're leading us too.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,418
Nick said:
No, I am saying they aren't very transparent also at this moment in time. Justifying it because SISU aren't doesn't work, we should want any new owner to be the opposite and not even comparable on any level.

It is you presuming.

Let's hope he does make an offer they can't refuse and everything is run completely different.
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Give them chance then to obtain this club, then we can start asking the transparency questions.
 
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,419
torchomatic said:
I don't think anyone is against it, are they? It's the old not allowed to question GH, isn't it?
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Of course they should be questioned as to their intentions, as should any perspective or current owners.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,420
skybluebeduff said:
Being rid of SISU is the best it can possibly be
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I look forward to the Assad/ISIS coalition then.
 
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James Smith

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,421
torchomatic said:
Good point. If there's 7 investors then who are the other 6?
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Grumpy, Bashful, Sleepy, Doc, Sneeze & Dopey? Or is that the other lot
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,422
Deleted member 5849 said:
I look forward to the Assad/ISIS coalition then.
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Completely swept over my head?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,423
Monners said:
Of course they should be questioned as to their intentions, as should any perspective or current owners.
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I agree. I was just saying I disagree with your statement there are people on here who are against the deal being done.
 
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Monners

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,424
Deleted member 5849 said:
I look forward to the Assad/ISIS coalition then.
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An odd analogy, but a good thread keeper goerer NW
 

Esoterica

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,425
skybluebeduff said:
Give them chance then to obtain this club, then we can start asking the transparency questions.
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Isn't it too fucking late by then? It would mean we have learned nothing from SISU. For all we know it might be Tim Fisher knowing he can't be the front man in this bid.
 
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Monners

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,426
torchomatic said:
I agree. I was just saying I disagree with your statement there are people on here who don't want the deal done.
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I have spoken to one or two that don't
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,427
doubt the hogwarts express would go as far as narnia. so i would take what simon jordan says with a pinch of salt.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,428
skybluebeduff said:
Give them chance then to obtain this club, then we can start asking the transparency questions.
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It's not down to me to give them chance, I will support CCFC if it was hoffman, wasps or the council.

It's down to him getting offers made up that will be accepted, addressing the debt etc instead of just saying how it was bought for a £1.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,429
Monners said:
I have spoken to one or two that don't
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Want this particular deal done, or want a deal done as a general philosophy?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #3,430
Monners said:
I have spoken to one or two that don't
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In the real world presumably and not on here?
 
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