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[Grendel]

By the way I still find the bookmaker comment amusing as it shows you still don't really understand.

No I understand perfectly well believe me. Why were odds suspended on wilder becoming our manager?

 

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[dongonzalos]

No I understand perfectly well believe me. Why were odds suspended on wilder becoming our manager?

A combination of the most people were betting on him and the bookies thought it was a realistic option.

Which supports what I have said previously.

 

[dongonzalos]

Ok explain them why some supporters on here thought McCarthy may come here and some said they wouldn't touch him when he was ALWAYS too big for us?

Answer is fans are always believing their club is the best. You know why Doncaster fans thought they could get him? Probably because he has a northern accent and they are higher in the league. The only way they are likely to see how skint we are is by looking at negative observations from people like you.

Doncaster people may not be as thick as you seem to think they are.

Maybe they are aware of other clubs finances like some of us are.

Or maybe they just watch sky sports, read the Daily Mail or read the Guardian.

Can't you not really understand the concept that as far as the national media are concerned we are a club in financial trouble.

Can you then honestly not understand when a club are in financial trouble. Other fans will think they have so and so we could nick him.

Honestly it's really not that hard a concept to accept

 

[Grendel]

A combination of the most people were betting on him and the bookies thought it was a realistic option.

Which supports what I have said previously.

Wrong. Nothing to do with realistic option and everything to do with money on him. Bookies are purely influenced by the former and not the latter.

That said I am curious to think why he would not be a realistic option on paper.

 

[Grendel]

Doncaster people may not be as thick as you seem to think they are.

Maybe they are aware of other clubs finances like some of us are.

Or maybe they just watch sky sports, read the Daily Mail or read the Guardian.

Can't you not really understand the concept that as far as the national media are concerned we are a club in financial trouble.

Can you then honestly not understand when a club are in financial trouble. Other fans will think they have so and so we could nick him.

Honestly it's really not that hard a concept to accept

No it's easy to understand. It's just bollocks.

 

[dongonzalos]

Ok explain them why some supporters on here thought McCarthy may come here and some said they wouldn't touch him when he was ALWAYS too big for us?

Answer is fans are always believing their club is the best. You know why Doncaster fans thought they could get him? Probably because he has a northern accent and they are higher in the league. The only way they are likely to see how skint we are is by looking at negative observations from people like you.

Crazy thing but Doncaster fans do think we have a problem financially and they do think that will piss Mark Robins off.

Can we put this to bed now. ......... It really is a poor counter debate

Quote from: Sammy Chung was King on December 10, 2012, 12:11:16 am
Coventry for me will creep into the play-offs at the end of the season,Robins has turned the confidence round,and they already had some good players there,if he adds a few to that,they are a good side,but having said all that we have a better all round team,i think we will edge it two one,should be a competitive game,Brentford will draw with Notts county and Sheff utd will beat Tranmere.

Have to disagree with you Sammy, I think Coventry's financiaul problems will impact here and Robins has a reputation of being a spender.
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« Reply #15 on December 10, 2012, 01:12:22 pmstring(28) "(iPhone.*Mobile|iPod|iTunes)" by roverstillidie91 »
Quote from: silent majority on December 10, 2012, 10:02:21 am
Quote from: Sammy Chung was King on December 10, 2012, 12:11:16 am
Coventry for me will creep into the play-offs at the end of the season,Robins has turned the confidence round,and they already had some good players there,if he adds a few to that,they are a good side,but having said all that we have a better all round team,i think we will edge it two one,should be a competitive game,Brentford will draw with Notts county and Sheff utd will beat Tranmere.

Have to disagree with you Sammy, I think Coventry's financial problems will impact here and Robins has a reputation of being a spender.

Didnt he leave Barnsley because of the budget or something
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[dongonzalos]

No it's easy for a rationale person to understand. It's just my replies are bollocks, as I don't like it when I am wrong

Corrected for you, no charge

 

[Grendel]

Seems to me you are desperate for him to be concerned. Your beginning to sound like the distinctive GPE and CJ who are to this forum what Nigel Farage is to politics.

 

[dongonzalos]

Also your bookies comment is crap.

They don't just go on bets alone they analyse whether it is a realistic possibility as well.
They would have received a lot of bets on him.
They then would have looked at Doncaster's position in the league.
They would have also considered our apparent financial mess. Then they would have thought this is a real good possibility and closed the betting.

If it was just based on bets alone you could have a load of people bet on something they believe is going to happen such as a prophecy.
Whilst the rest of us know it isn't going to happen.
They don't close the betting they will keep taking the money.

They only close the betting when they worry that it is going to cost them a hell of a lot more to pay out than they make.

Your fundamental lack of understanding of how bookmakers work.
That we are known in the media as a club in financial trouble ( purely due to the rent) at the moment.
That when others perceive that a club if in a financial mess it will increase their opinion that they could poach from that club.
Is just worrying.

 

[dongonzalos]

Thick Bradford fans think we are in a financial mess as well

Coventry City boss Mark Robins is hoping to be able to make a January transfer swoop for versatile Bradford man Nathan Doyle.

Coventry are in a bit of a financial crisis at the moment but if funds become available then Doyle is the number one target for Mark Robins.

Robins bought Doyle for Barnsley when he was manager at Oakwell and rates him very highly. He is hoping the lure of the league above will be enough to persuade Doyle to jump ship and link up with his old boss.

In my opinion Doyle would be crazy to leave Bradford for Coventry. We have a fantastic League Cup semi-final clash with Aston Villa coming up and hopefully a strong promotion challenge.

At Coventry it would either be mid table in League One with nothing to play for or a relegation scrap if they end up in administration.

It`s a no brainer to me.



Read more: http://www.bradford.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=304498#ixzz2HtXgu1gk

 

[Regis87]

Shoot me down by all means, but led to believe from a reliable source(yes i know everybody says the same!) that ACL/SISU have done a deal on the Ricoh, no idea what it is but announcement next week apparently. Lets see if my contact is as well connected as he thinks!

Announcement Tuesday rumour has it

 

[dongonzalos]

Announcement Tuesday rumour has it

Where is this rumour from?

 

[Regis87]

Where is this rumour from?

Was told by 2 people on sunday , might be true , just passing on what I heard

 

[dongonzalos]

Was told by 2 people on sunday , might be true , just passing on what I heard

Thanks.....

 

[dongonzalos]

Was told by 2 people on sunday , might be true , just passing on what I heard

Thanks.............

 

[sky blue john]

Its tuesday !!!!

 

[MichaelCCFC]

I find it interesting that someone comes up with a rumour that the deal is done and people immediately assume that ACL have caved in to SISU's demands

The only reason as far as I can see that a deal may be in the offing is if something significant has changed for ACL. SISU's position I feel will not have changed.

Now it might be that ACL have reached a crisis point and had to cave in accept what SISU says,which appears to be less than £200k for everything (not just the rent). I would guess this is too little for ACL. It would still leave ACL in crisis. I can hear the "so what I only care about the club", thats your opinion but the Ricoh is much more than a football team. So ask would the directors of ACL breach their duties and agree to something they can not afford ? It also points to what is going on as far as SISU are concerned.

Or perhaps there might be something significant that is going on for ACL that secures their position financially. In which case, given the additional income that CCFC have received from cup runs etc, ACL might be in a position where they say enough is enough. They might be in a position where they draw a line say the last offer is all that is on offer take it or leave it. If SISU then choose to leave it then they place the club at risk - it is a mute point as to who really puts the club in a winding up position, I know how it will be spun but think about it.

Do not assume that there is only one outcome in that SISU wins the battle ...... things are rarely that clear and straight forward

Personally I think the last cards are being played but no deal has been struck yet. Any deal that is I seriously doubt will be lower than the one that ACL have put on the table. Guess we wait and see but the solution to this happens because something changes at ACL. As I and others here have said on this and other matters be careful what you wish for

And it's now Tuesday afternoon and still quiet...

OSB's post is an interesting perspective. From what's in the public domain it doesn't look like SISU's position has changed (but happy to be corrected) and no indication they are going to change (again happy to be corrected). So if as in OSB's post ACL get to a position where they feel they can do without ccfc and they say enough is enough and get on with the winding up order what do sisu do then - walk away (which = liquidation), agree to ACL's terms, relocate??

 

[MichaelCCFC]

Minute I do my post I spot this on Twitter -

Prof Simon Chadwick‏@Prof_Chadwick
I am informed that at a Coventry City Council meeting today, important news about Coventry City will be revealed: http://t.co/QZ9bx8c3

 

[Regis87]

Thanks.............

That's alright and it's still Tuesday

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Thick Bradford fans think we are in a financial mess as well

Coventry City boss Mark Robins is hoping to be able to make a January transfer swoop for versatile Bradford man Nathan Doyle.

Coventry are in a bit of a financial crisis at the moment but if funds become available then Doyle is the number one target for Mark Robins.

Robins bought Doyle for Barnsley when he was manager at Oakwell and rates him very highly. He is hoping the lure of the league above will be enough to persuade Doyle to jump ship and link up with his old boss.

In my opinion Doyle would be crazy to leave Bradford for Coventry. We have a fantastic League Cup semi-final clash with Aston Villa coming up and hopefully a strong promotion challenge.

At Coventry it would either be mid table in League One with nothing to play for or a relegation scrap if they end up in administration.

It`s a no brainer to me.



Read more: http://www.bradford.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=304498#ixzz2HtXgu1gk

It's nothing more than a deluded fan bud..

I have to say the moment I saw this on Facebook a few weeks back it fooked me off because (a) The guy has no brain obviously, (b) Has a biased opinion based on the club he supports, (c) Is living in a fantasy world and (d) I would love to see his reaction when quoting his words "mid table side in league one with nothing to play for" smash Bradford over two legs in the JPT area final.. Should they get there..

But after my rant regarding the thread itself I hope something does get sorted it's best for all the parties this can help us kick on in the future..

 

[dongonzalos]

Hopefully your contact is 'on the money', but it wouldn't surprise me, I should've been 'done and dusted' beforehand.

If it's a better deal than ACL's last, these renegade tactics would've been worth it and I would've been proved right in saying, we were right to reject the last offer.

Not quite to plan?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Not quite to plan?

???

It's a shame the announcement isn't announcing the 2 parties have come to an agreement, I don't understand why your post's tone is that you're happy an agreement hasn't been made as you're somewhat mocking my post. Or have I misjudged.

The deal I was referring to hasn't been done yet so no one is 'right or wrong' yet.

 

[dongonzalos]

It's nothing more than a deluded fan bud..

I have to say the moment I saw this on Facebook a few weeks back it fooked me off because (a) The guy has no brain obviously, (b) Has a biased opinion based on the club he supports, (c) Is living in a fantasy world and (d) I would love to see his reaction when quoting his words "mid table side in league one with nothing to play for" smash Bradford over two legs in the JPT area final.. Should they get there..

But after my rant regarding the thread itself I hope something does get sorted it's best for all the parties this can help us kick on in the future..

I hope he lives to regret it.

I do find fans opinions on other clubs funny.

However my point was and it still stands.

Fans all round the IK think we are in a financial mess.

All they hear about us is we can't pay our rent and may be dissolved or made homeless.

It is not a good thing to be known as especially when it should be so more positive.

SISU claim they can afford the rent so take the good deal on the table and make us look a stable attractive club whose manager can't be poached and players would choose over Swindon

 

[dongonzalos]

???

It's a shame the announcement isn't announcing the 2 parties have come to an agreement, I don't understand why your post's tone is that you're happy an agreement hasn't been made as you're somewhat mocking my post. Or have I misjudged.

The deal I was referring to hasn't been done yet so no one is 'right or wrong' yet.

Your post was about you been 'proved right' that SISU's renegade tactics were worth it all along.

You are right we need a deal ASAP.
SISU say they can afford the rent.
Every negotiation has to have movement from each side.
ACL have come down 66%
It is now time for SISU to come up by 50%
And for an agreement to me made.

This is what us best for CCFC.

Supporting renegade tactics as you call it. Is only drlaying things.

We the fans should show SISU we want them to compromise. And get a deal done

 

[stupot07]

Your post was about you been 'proved right' that SISU's renegade tactics were worth it all along.

You are right we need a deal ASAP.
SISU say they can afford the rent.
Every negotiation has to have movement from each side.
ACL have come down 66%
It is now time for SISU to come up by 50%
And for an agreement to me made.

This is what us best for CCFC.

Supporting renegade tactics as you call it. Is only drlaying things.

We the fans should show SISU we want them to compromise. And get a deal done

Have ACL come down by 66%? There are conflicting reports, one that suggests the initial £1.2m includes 'utilities costs' and one that suggests £400k offer doesn't.

It's as clear as mud.

 

[dongonzalos]

Your post was about you been 'proved right' that SISU's renegade tactics were worth it all along.

You are right we need a deal ASAP.
SISU say they can afford the rent.
Every negotiation has to have movement from each side.
ACL have come down 66%
It is now time for SISU to come up by 50%
And for an agreement to me made.

This is what us best for CCFC.

Supporting renegade tactics as you call it. Is only drlaying things.

We the fans should show SISU we want them to compromise. And get a deal done

And it has now become one of the factors leading to us losing a good manager.

 

[dongonzalos]

I agree we won't. However as this farce drags on.
That is what the national media talk about. They did it in the build up to the Spurs game and the JPT.

They don't fully understand it all and give out the impression we are skint and about to go bust.

Hence Robins doing well at such a self imploding skint club will attract attention.

Sort the rent we go back to sleeping giant status at this level.

People will only talk about us for our football.

The rent needs paying.....

 

[dantheman]

They are not exact quotes...

It's all rubbish, we won't go into admin etc. just papers trying to get a decent story to fill their pages in their paper, that's all.

Are we sure about that ??

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Are we sure about that ??

Nothing will happen.

 

[dongonzalos]

I suggest SBT you watch midlands today in a minute bbc one.

Consider yourself not a cov fan and from the outside what impression do you have of coventry city football club?

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

Shoot me down by all means, but led to believe from a reliable source(yes i know everybody says the same!) that ACL/SISU have done a deal on the Ricoh, no idea what it is but announcement next week apparently. Lets see if my contact is as well connected as he thinks!

Hopefully you have smacked him across the face with a smelly old rotting carcass of a fish!

 

[dongonzalos]

Now........

 

[Stevearcade]

Just watched Midlands today. Bloody depressing really isn't it.

 

[dongonzalos]

Just watched Midlands today. Bloody depressing really isn't it.

It's a farce.

If SISU had accepted that offer all that time ago.
It would have proved that they were not just trying to put ACL out of business.
We could all have started trusted them again.
MR may still be here.

Instead they did not sign.
ACL and the council smelt a rat
They did a deal to ensure ACL stay in business.
SISU have reneged again.

Unfortunately it is an embarrassment

TF is texting MR about meeting up for a meal.

Then slagging him off to the BBC

 

[Sky Blues]

Hopefully you have smacked him across the face with a smelly old rotting carcass of a fish!

To be fair, what Ian passed on 4 weeks ago kind of ties in with ACL said today: that they thought an agreement had been reached in verbal discussions with the directors but Sisu then sought to change that agreement.