If mediation should have had any chance of success the parties should have agreed to use that instrument before christmas. By now they have each painted themself into corners and there seem to be absolutely no movement.
Godiva I agree that mediation might turn out to be a waste of time, but surely it must increase chance of resolution of the dispute compared with the current situation, i.e. no negotiations at all.
I agree that binding arbitration would be the best solution, but I don't believe it's realistically likely to happen. Yes it would be great if the Sports Minister or the Football League forced the parties to agree to binding arbitration, but unfortunately this is just not going to happen either.
that'll be the point I missed. think the Trust need to push them on this. they've publicly suggested mediation so call them out on why they won't agree to binding arbitration. you would have to assume they don't want it because they don't think it will go their way. ACL could really put some pressure on them if they come out publicly and say they will go to binding arbitration. Much as I don't like everything been done in public I think that's the only way anything is going to happen now as talks seem to have broken down totally.
It's cold here tonight isn't it?Well, if I was a gambler I would put my money on sisu being the first to ask for arbitration. They seem to have most to lose short term.
It's cold here tonight isn't it?
I think I've missed a major point here but when I was watching Bob Ainsworth said that binding arbitration was the way forward. He them seem to suggest (sounded like he only read the follow up to a previous email) Mark Labovitch, on the board at CCFC, was agreeable to this and the process should be made public which somehow seemed to make it a bad thing. What have I missed as surely the club agreeing to binding arbitration with transparency for the fans would be a good thing? Was there any mention of ACL agreeing to binding arbitration?
was a bit underwhelming wasn't it! was hoping Bob was going to use parliamentary privilege to drop some bombshell but no such luck.
SISU want to look at ACLSDoes he mean the clubs books or SISU? If it's the club I can't see why they'd object, they're just going to show they're losing loads. If he means SISU that's pretty pointless as it's not really them that owns us it's an investment fund and I'm not sure what having access to that would prove (is that information generally available anyway?).
I suppose SISU could claim ACL should open their books as that could impact on what they consider acceptable to pay them, not likely to be true but they could claim it! ACL have said that CCFC make up very little of their income, and their recent accounts seem to show that, so I can't imagine there would be any big surprise in there.
SBT allowed to arbitrate? they'd give away the family jewels and ask to be praised for doing so!
SISU want to look at ACLS
For me the bombshell was Bob revealing that SISU were planning on challenging the initial rent agreement when the Ricoh was built, years before they took over.
The words 'due' and 'diligence' spring to mind.
I get that but Ainsworth was saying if they get to see ACLs they should open up their own but wasn't clear if he means CCFC or SISU. To be honest either seems fairly pointless!
Listen to it dude.
Come back with your anti council and ACL comments later as well if you like.
I wonder what route they'll take on this. It's always seemed a bit suspect to me that some of those on the board of CCFC deciding what was an acceptable rent were also on the board of ACL. That has to be a conflict of interest so that could be one avenue they're looking at or if they're just going to argue it's been way too high since day one and angle for some sort of rebate. Surely if they're going to challenge it would have to be in court and you can't imagine they'd be paying out legal fees if they don't think they've got something to work with.
More condemnation of Sisu's unprofessional ism and cowboy approach. I dont expect many apologists to comment on this thread.
3 unwise Sisu monkeys see no evil, hear no evil, speak bollox.
Nothing to say about condemnation of Sisu.. Thought not. Apologist.
I get that but Ainsworth was saying if they get to see ACLs they should open up their own but wasn't clear if he means CCFC or SISU. To be honest either seems fairly pointless!
Was in Doncaster today. Showed some posts from the council suck ups like you. General consensus was true fans care only about the club. "Support" for an external organisation has to be considered as not true support at all.
I wholly concur.
The implication was that SISU want ACL to open their books but they will not open their own. Therefore it should be open books on both sides if ACL are asked to open theirs.
That will never happen because SISU is a shady organisation at best. Why should ACL play that game anyway? They are unbelievable.
Was in Doncaster today. Showed some posts from the council suck ups like you. General consensus was true fans care only about the club. "Support" for an external organisation has to be considered as not true support at all.
I wholly concur.
Sisu are not asking ACL to open their books, they want to see the food and beverage figures.
Listen to the debate
seems you were wrong in that assumption m8
I listened to the debate, Ainsworth implied sisu want them to open the books but where have they stated that, all they have stated is that they want the food and beverage figures. Ainsworth is biased.
Are Food and beverage figures not part of the books then?
Not when all sisu want is a sheet of paper with the food and beverage figures on it no.
The issue has been raised in Parliament for a second time, remember last year David Greene i think, which is significant. SISU is a foriegn organisation, Finnish/American. The debate also commands a Ministerial response, so lets wait and see the outcomes could be interesting.
Well all I want to see is a sheet of paper with the names of Sisu's investors on. Doesn't have to be a full audit on the company.
It would actually be nice to know who owns my club.
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