Ricoh Arena bosses overcharge again (1 Viewer)

[Nick]

This I agree with completely.

I suppose that ACL do want to keep pricing secret - most companies do when there's a possible differential that customers might get awkward about, but I'd love to know the reason behind the increase. It could be that BCFA could tell us what they asked for, and why that was different (if it was different) to what CCLFC normally want. And why they couldn't use the Oval as an alternate (which I'd cheerfully have gone to, in truth).

They can't if it's their home ground can they? For a final?

 

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[duffer]

They can't if it's their home ground can they? For a final?

Excellent point Nick. But then is it their home ground? They've played at the Ricoh this season too, remember. I suspect it's a matter of agreement between the sides, and the FA, but it could explain it. Won't someone just tell us!

 

[chiefdave]

They can't if it's their home ground can they? For a final?

Would that not also rule out the Ricoh as they've played home games there as well.

 

[torchomatic]

Ah, nothing to do with ACL then? Thank God for that. I would imagine a few heads would have exploded. Panic over. ACL still the good guys.

 

[Grendel]

Ah, nothing to do with ACL then? Thank God for that. I would imagine a few heads would have exploded. Panic over. ACL still the good guys.

Duffer and Dave spinning faster than a washing machine. Hilarious.

 

[Ian1779]

Fuck all to do with Kestrels though, is it? As you know, CCLFC have used the Ricoh a number of times, as have others.

Let's be honest, neither you nor I know why ACL have chosen to charge that much this time - you've made up your mind though, without troubling yourself too much with any possiblities that don't fall into your world view. If you'd actually bother to read what I've written you can see my opinion, but that might involve a bit of thinking rather than an off-the-cuff one liner. Hey, maybe you can work something about spiders into the next one....

To be honest I did try a spider analogy but I couldn't get anywhere with it.

It's up to ACL what they charge... I'm merely giving my opinion that it appears to be a little high... Given that U21 games from other teams in the region were charged significantly less.

Let's be honest - there's nothing like a good SISU conspiracy theory to get people to comment, but some get awfully touchy when the benevolent ACL or CCC get any flak in any way.

 

[chiefdave]

Duffer and Dave spinning faster than a washing machine. Hilarious.

What exactly do you think is spin and not factually correct? The point I, and I assume duffer, were making was that it should be entirely possible to play the game, between two Coventry sides, at a ground closer to Coventry than Walsall. The fact that the ground that has been mentioned as a prime candidate has been used CCFC Ladies should not be an issue as they have also used the Ricoh yet the Birmingham FA did not have an issue, other than cost, with staging the game there.

 

[play_in_skyblue_stripes]

Based on the information presented this seems a very inappropriate business decision by ACL.

This is disappointing.

 

[Grendel]

What exactly do you think is spin and not factually correct? The point I, and I assume duffer, were making was that it should be entirely possible to play the game, between two Coventry sides, at a ground closer to Coventry than Walsall. The fact that the ground that has been mentioned as a prime candidate has been used CCFC Ladies should not be an issue as they have also used the Ricoh yet the Birmingham FA did not have an issue, other than cost, with staging the game there.

There have been several points raised. Many of them (not just by you) have sought to justify an apparant high price. The floodlights, the toilets, the world class facilitues. Duffer also has the "Sky Blue John" amendment -- unless we know why its higher how can you question it - there may be a valid reason.

Now lets all have an honest 5 minutes here. Lets assume sisu still rented the ground and lets just say they said they did not want this game to go ahead unless Sisu received £5,000. Can you, Duffer et al honestly tell me you would have gone to such lengths to justify this stance? I am sorry I cannot believe you would.

Another point. People constantly tell us this is a community asset. Really? So a game in the local community is now being refused for profit. Well those hard nosed hedge fund people we can expect this from but the council and the charitable ACL? This means it isnt a community asset at all because unless the price is paid the community best move up the M6.

I cannot see why posters such as you and Duffer go to great lengths to justify a decision that is only justifiable if profit is the only motive and I certainly do not believe if sisu had asked for such recompense you would be leaping to the defence of the clubs' owners.

Why is that? I will leave that to Duffer and Dave.

 

[sky blue john]

There have been several points raised. Many of them (not just by you) have sought to justify an apparant high price. The floodlights, the toilets, the world class facilitues. Duffer also has the "Sky Blue John" amendment -- unless we know why its higher how can you question it - there may be a valid reason.

Now lets all have an honest 5 minutes here. Lets assume sisu still rented the ground and lets just say they said they did not want this game to go ahead unless Sisu received £5,000. Can you, Duffer et al honestly tell me you would have gone to such lengths to justify this stance? I am sorry I cannot believe you would.

Another point. People constantly tell us this is a community asset. Really? So a game in the local community is now being refused for profit. Well those hard nosed hedge fund people we can expect this from but the council and the charitable ACL? This means it isnt a community asset at all because unless the price is paid the community best move up the M6.

I cannot see why posters such as you and Duffer go to great lengths to justify a decision that is only justifiable if profit is the only motive and I certainly do not believe if sisu had asked for such recompense you would be leaping to the defence of the clubs' owners.

Why is that? I will leave that to Duffer and Dave.

Maybe your buddies Sisu could have made one of their charitable donations ????
5k is nothing to them compared to the 50 60 or is it 70million debt they have got ccfc into !!
Its nothing compared to their 8 lawyers a day in court !!
Just think of the good PR they would get along with getting one over on acl. Just remember where you got the idea from when you go running to them !!!

 

[Ian1779]

Maybe your buddies Sisu could have made one of their charitable donations ????
5k is nothing to them compared to the 50 60 or is it 70million debt they have got ccfc into !!
Its nothing compared to their 8 lawyers a day in court !!
Just think of the good PR they would get along with getting one over on acl. Just remember where you got the idea from when you go running to them !!!

Sidestep the question much...?

 

[Grendel]

Maybe your buddies Sisu could have made one of their charitable donations ????
5k is nothing to them compared to the 50 60 or is it 70million debt they have got ccfc into !!
Its nothing compared to their 8 lawyers a day in court !!
Just think of the good PR they would get along with getting one over on acl. Just remember where you got the idea from when you go running to them !!!

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Strangely if I was the anthithesis of you Duffer would be on her sneering that I am lazy, a WUM and should be ignored. Oddly Duffer and Dave despite their claim of neutrality are strangely silent at this type of post. They would not if I had posted in as an atheses argument. It is as evasive as it is absurd. I draw one of three conclusions;

You are a child inacapable of debate
You are a WUM who just puts random comments out their for attention
You have a sinking realisation that I am correct and cannot bear reality.

The person who ironically posts as Astute (Gullible or foolish has to be more appropriate) has accused me of not posting as well as I used to. To an extent he is correct as I have been restricted to a mobile device for 95% of the time which makes me lightweight. I will be using my computer far more from now on.

I have been easy on the likes of you, Duffer and Dave with your absurd defence of the indefensible. I will be far less so in the future.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Careful Grentroll gonna get ya

 

[SimonGilbert]

It is a shame ACL can't / won't comment.

I wonder if the clubs can? Simon?

The chairman of CCLFC is quoted in the story - http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ricoh-arena-bosses-price-venue-7059244


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[Nick]

I just meant in "why" it was so expensive this time around when they have been able to afford to play there before.

 

[SimonGilbert]

I just meant in "why" it was so expensive this time around when they have been able to afford to play there before.

That's commercially sensitive. ACL could tell us, but they would have to kill us.


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[Nick]

That's commercially sensitive. ACL could tell us, but they would have to kill us.


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True, but if Vera down the butchers paid £2.50 for some chicken one week and next week it was £25 then shit would be on!

 

[Rusty Trombone]

True, but if Vera down the butchers paid £2.50 for some chicken one week and next week it was £25 then shit would be on!

The club, like every other club, charged different prices for different games. What does Vera think about that?

 

[chiefdave]

There have been several points raised. Many of them (not just by you) have sought to justify an apparant high price. The floodlights, the toilets, the world class facilitues. Duffer also has the "Sky Blue John" amendment -- unless we know why its higher how can you question it - there may be a valid reason.

There's a difference between trying to justify a price and discussion about why the price could be high. Lets make it simple. If the cost of staging the game is £5K and the hire charge is £5K then its a very reasonable offer from ACL. If the cost of staging the game is £1K and the hire charge is £5K causing the loss of the booking that is poor business from ACL.

We know there have been people who have hired the Ricoh for games with no issue so either, as I have stated before, either ACL have ramped the price up for no reason and lost the business, poor show from them if they have or there's a reason the price has gone up. I don't see that as siding with ACL or trying to justify anything, it's just common sense.

Personally I think it would be naive to think the cost of staging a game at the Memorial, Sixfields, Ricoh or Wembley should all be the same on the basis that they are all just football pitches.

Now lets all have an honest 5 minutes here. Lets assume sisu still rented the ground and lets just say they said they did not want this game to go ahead unless Sisu received £5,000. Can you, Duffer et al honestly tell me you would have gone to such lengths to justify this stance? I am sorry I cannot believe you would.

I think if we were back at the Ricoh there would be nowhere near this level of interest in every potential booking there. But if you want an answer I would think exactly the same.

Another point. People constantly tell us this is a community asset. Really? So a game in the local community is now being refused for profit. Well those hard nosed hedge fund people we can expect this from but the council and the charitable ACL? This means it isnt a community asset at all because unless the price is paid the community best move up the M6.

As far as I know the Ricoh is not registered as a community asset however it does fall under one of the categories so would most likely qualify. I don't know enough about the process to tell you if becoming a community asset impacts the ability to make profit or if you have to adopt a charity or social enterprise model.

I cannot see why posters such as you and Duffer go to great lengths to justify a decision that is only justifiable if profit is the only motive and I certainly do not believe if sisu had asked for such recompense you would be leaping to the defence of the clubs' owners.

I'm not trying to justify a decision, especially when I don't know if there is good reasoning behind the decision! If SISU choose to profit in the future from renting the ground out the only complaints from me will be if it not for the benefit of the club. If poor business decisions are made that lose business they are poor decisions whether made by ACL or SISU.

 

[Nick]

The club, like every other club, charged different prices for different games. What does Vera think about that?

Vera would be telling all her friends at Bingo about the outrage! Especially as she knows Doreen (who nobody likes) paid loads less than what they were quoted, and she wasn't even a local!

 

[Grendel]

The club, like every other club, charged different prices for different games. What does Vera think about that?

Not if the chicken was the same quality they didn't.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Vera would be telling all her friends at Bingo about the outrage! Especially as she knows Doreen (who nobody likes) paid loads less than what they were quoted, and she wasn't even a local!

You've lost me a bit, is Grendel Doreen?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Not if the chicken was the same quality they didn't.

Let's leave the complicated chicken analogies out of this. When you buy a ticket for a match you don't know whether the quality will be better or worse than the last game.

The entertainment on offer at the Cup semi final was worth more than £5. Why do other games cost more, the costs to the club are the same?

 

[Grendel]

Let's leave the complicated chicken analogies out of this. When you buy a ticket for a match you don't know whether the quality will be better or worse than the last game.

The entertainment on offer at the Cup semi final was worth more than £5. Why do other games cost more, the costs to the club are the same?

I agree. Hats off to sisu for not charging more when they could. Perhaps ACL can take a leaf out of their book. Sometimes the community matters ACL not just profit. Dont you agree?

 

[wingy]

True, but if Vera down the butchers paid £2.50 for some chicken one week and next week it was £25 then shit would be on!

Depends If there's an outbreak of Bird Flu or Salmonella.

 

[wingy]

The club, like every other club, charged different prices for different games. What does Vera think about that?

Never understood why people who went on Saturdays subsidised those who went on Tuesdays .

As an aside ,remember when we used to play on Saturdays and Tuedays ,we are creatures of habit ,something lost on SISU and their wild Punt .

 

[Rusty Trombone]

I agree. Hats off to sisu for not charging more when they could. Perhaps ACL can take a leaf out of their book. Sometimes the community matters ACL not just profit. Dont you agree?

I do indeed.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Never understood why people who went on Saturdays subsidised those who went on Tuesdays .

As an aside ,remember when we used to play on Saturdays and Tuedays ,we are creatures of habit ,something lost on SISU and their wild Punt .

Sadly we were all being subsidised as the club wasn't making money on any ticket.

 

[sky blue john]

I agree. Hats off to sisu for not charging more when they could. Perhaps ACL can take a leaf out of their book. Sometimes the community matters ACL not just profit. Dont you agree?

Yes community matters !!!
So why are you so proud of Sisu taking the club out of its community ?????

 

[sky blue john]

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Strangely if I was the anthithesis of you Duffer would be on her sneering that I am lazy, a WUM and should be ignored. Oddly Duffer and Dave despite their claim of neutrality are strangely silent at this type of post. They would not if I had posted in as an atheses argument. It is as evasive as it is absurd. I draw one of three conclusions;

You are a child inacapable of debate
You are a WUM who just puts random comments out their for attention
You have a sinking realisation that I am correct and cannot bear reality.

The person who ironically posts as Astute (Gullible or foolish has to be more appropriate) has accused me of not posting as well as I used to. To an extent he is correct as I have been restricted to a mobile device for 95% of the time which makes me lightweight. I will be using my computer far more from now on.

I have been easy on the likes of you, Duffer and Dave with your absurd defence of the indefensible. I will be far less so in the future.

Where you pissed when you wrote all this babbling shit ????

 

[sky blue john]

What a nuts decision !!!

For Grendell.
This was my post on the first page of this topic. Very defending would you not agree?

 

[covmark]

Where you pissed when you wrote all this babbling shit ????

You must be an alcoholic with the amount of babbling shit you write.

 

[sky blue john]

You must be an alcoholic with the amount of babbling shit you write.

Have you given up on demanding our 10 points back yet ????

 

[covmark]

Have you given up on demanding our 10 points back yet ????

I have never demanded our 10 points back!!!!!
Thanks for proving my point though.

 

[sky blue john]

I have never demanded our 10 points back!!!!!
Thanks for proving my point though.

I will look forward to the day when your posts have the ability to extend to more than two lines !