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Is the £170,000 rent at northampton include the match day costs, "Yes it is believed to" is not an answer, say YES or NO.
Yes it is believed to. The debate is "matchday" costs was rent under another name and changed with each offer.
Is the £170,000 rent at northampton include the match day costs, "Yes it is believed to" is not an answer, say YES or NO.
Is the £170,000 rent at northampton include the match day costs, "Yes it is believed to" is not an answer, say YES or NO.
What! These are MATCH DAY costs. How on earth do mortgaged loans stadium quality gave anything to do with a fixed charged?
You accuse me of being ridiculous. Jesus.
I was talking about the cost to rent as a whole which is what the thread is about.
Match day costs should not be affected affected by stadium build cost of course, though it's still the case that match day costs increase as stadium size increases and with better facilities, the biggest cost increases though are of course attendence based.
You are still being ridiculous asking why match day costs are higher at wembley than six fields when you know (at least some of the reasons) why.
Please show me a post where I have mentioned Sixfields and Wembley.
Sky Blue John posted about six fields and wembley, you responded to that post asking him why.
Back on topic this is a night game is that the reason for charging more than they have done to the ladies in the past?
They are not charging more - they've lost the business. I'm moving to Walsall electricity is cheaper over there.
Serious question, what things will be different depending on attendance?
Off the top of my head I can think of the following....
Dependant on number on stands opened:
Lighting and Heating
Opening and closing stands - staff cost
Internal security
Supervision
Staffing of food/drink stands (dependant upon contract with Compass)
Dependant directly on projected crowd size:
Stewarding (if required by hiring party)
Clean up costs - Toilets, refuse, general maintenance
I'd be very surprised if it costs the same to light the bescot as it does the ricoh, don't higher leagues have higher standards on the quality of lighting? but it's true the difference is likely to be low hundreds of quid at most.They are not charging more - they've lost the business. I'm moving to Walsall electricity is cheaper over there.
The club pay for police.
What matchday costs will be different? Cleaners, energy bills for the concourse only (and corp), trying to think what others
Pitch and flood lights etc will be the same
I guess you would need more stewards and staff on the turnstyles, at the bars, food outlets etc. Imagine the queues if you only opened up a quarter of the facilties .... plus, I presume, you'd only have the capability to sell a quarter of the goods.
For all we know the stewards were paid for by CCFC as it was a permanent deal with 25ish games per season.
For a one off or occasional game isn't it more likely that staff are provided rather than the hirer having to provide their own staff.
We don't know and that of course is the big problem with commenting on this. Unless we know the cost to ACL it's hard to make a judgement on the price they are asking. If it's costing them £4.5K to stage the game a charge of £5K seems reasonable. If it's costing them £500 to stage the game the charge is way over the top.
I'd be very surprised if it costs the same to light the bescot as it does the ricoh, don't higher leagues have higher standards on the quality of lighting? but it's true the difference is likely to be low hundreds of quid at most.
but I agree they have lost the business I already posted " if they want to price themselves out of this business it's their loss." and that I'd prefer it if they went to some effort to provide lower cost for our ladies. They have obviously charged the ladies alot less in the past though so something is different.
Yeah that makes sense. When they have an event at Brum's ICC that requires extra security (party conferences for example) the ICC bring in G4S and charge accordingly.
I think that's probably the key - something is different. I notice that it's the FA going to ACL rather than the ladies team trying to hire it direct. Maybe the FA insisted on something different. I can see how a night game would be more expensive than a day game, but obviously not to this level.
And given that, say, Bedworth can typically host the ladies games without issue, I don't understand why they haven't gone to that as their next best alternative instead of Walsall. That suggests to me that the requirement from the F.A. wasn't the typical requirement of CCLFC.
Or I could be entirely wrong, and this could just be a case of ACL suddenly deciding to lump a big charge on for some reason. In truth we just don't know enough.
Coventry City wouldn't be paying to staff the food places as an example and paid their own stewards.
Do the staff work for free in Walsall?
Coventry City wouldn't be paying to staff the food places as an example and paid their own stewards.
Isn't it a cup final? Which would explain the local FA co-ordinating it.
Maybe ACL have a better deal that night... Perhaps flying Kestrels round the empty bowl.
It depends on contracts between CCFC and ACL. And in this example we are talking about a purely external party making a one-off hire as opposed to a standing contract for use of the stadium.
In the case of the ladies match, stewards would almost certainly need to be provided for by ACL, or some other party.
Why would people hiring pay the wages of staff in the food places? Surely the people who run the food places should estimate the attendance and judge how many are needed etc. (I am not saying you are wrong, but it would be stupid to pay somebodies wage who is then earning money for somebody else).....
Jim isn't saying the club pay them direct. Jim is saying that their costs are included in the hire of the venue.
Maybe the Ricoh should have it like hiring the local village hall for your wedding reception. You get charged £X for them to do the lot, or £Y if you supply your own catering.
Where does it say anything about them looking to hire all the facilities the Ricoh has?there can be no comparison with the two venues the ricoh is bound to be much more expensive look at the facilities
there can be no comparison with the two venues the ricoh is bound to be much more expensive look at the facilities
I guess if you want catering for free (ie free hot dogs) then yes it is fair to include their costs. If however they are opening up and charging fans, why should costs be paid?
It is like me paying to hire a bouncy castle for a kids party and a man stood there charging the kids to get on.
I once enquired about a kids party at the Ricoh, which was interesting... £10 a head for nuggets and chips per kid I felt was taking the piss, especially after the £700 pound for the room. (not allowed to take own food in).
Precisely my point, and maybe they have different requirements as a result. Do you know?
I'd have thought if they'd got something else arranged they would have just said 'no', in truth. But it's always good to get a bit of lazy sniping in when you can - it reminds me not to bother taking your viewpoint too seriously.
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IF this is the same kind of deal that ACL have, like I said previously they aren't going to provide this out of the goodness of their heart .... someone's going to have to cover their £36K (or however much it is) so they put it on the hire bill.
Thanks, about the same as I could think of apart from food / drink stands as that wouldn't be included for CCFC would it?
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