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[MalcSB]

Exception to main point about all talent getting hoovered up, hopefully being Andrew’s next season

Yeah, but not expectation to rule as you originally said. I couldn’t understand what you meant.

 

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

Getting overlooked regardless of how well he performs for the U21s. There’s a disconnect been academy and first team now. Don’t think there’s much desire to put the kids in because we now need instant success - readymade players

Anybody outside of the real first team squad looks miles off it, I watched the under 23’s at the cbs and the best player was Raphael by a long way most of both teams looked like non league players of the future.

 

[pusbccfc]

Is it crazy to suggest we replace the academy as it is with a B team set up similar to Brentford?

Must cost us significant money each season? We must be talking millions surely? Imagine using that to develop other areas of the club.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Said for ages to bin the u23s off

Nowadays you know by 17/18 if a player will make it

 

[Ian1779]

Getting overlooked regardless of how well he performs for the U21s. There’s a disconnect been academy and first team now. Don’t think there’s much desire to put the kids in because we now need instant success - readymade players

He’s been an unfortunate victim of our success.
It also goes to show the quality of Eccles that has made it with us.

 

[shmmeee]

I’d get rid of the U23s. Kids who hit pro terms either on loan or training with the first team. Arrange friendlies if you want match practice but for me either you’re developing them with training or you’re getting them first team experience.

 

[stupot07]

Getting overlooked regardless of how well he performs for the U21s. There’s a disconnect been academy and first team now. Don’t think there’s much desire to put the kids in because we now need instant success - readymade players

To be fair though, Howley's had two failed loan spells in Scotland. If you can't get a game in the second tier in Scotland, you're not going to break into a championship team.

Howley will probably end up in Non League and Burroughs in League One next season.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I’d get rid of the U23s. Kids who hit pro terms either on loan or training with the first team. Arrange friendlies if you want match practice but for me either you’re developing them with training or you’re getting them first team experience.

I know a team who do that and while it sounds good, it can mean some lads aren’t getting consistent game time for months.

I actually think the opposite approach can be more beneficial, where you build a B team of released players to avoid players getting poached. Brentford are a good example of this

 

[blunted]

Getting overlooked regardless of how well he performs for the U21s. There’s a disconnect been academy and first team now. Don’t think there’s much desire to put the kids in because we now need instant success - readymade players

They have to perform on loan and Howley didn't.
Burroughs appeared to be doing well at Lincoln then he had the car crash and has been poor since.

 

[shmmeee]

I know a team who do that and while it sounds good, it can mean some lads aren’t getting consistent game time for months.

I actually think the opposite approach can be more beneficial, where you build a B team of released players to avoid players getting poached. Brentford are a good example of this

I just think the U23 standard is so low you may as well use Nuneaton Town as a feeder club instead. At least the games mean something and you’re playing against men.

 

[fatso]

I just think the U23 standard is so low you may as well use Nuneaton Town as a feeder club instead. At least the games mean something and you’re playing against men.

I think the issue is any youngster showing promise is sold to a premier league academy before they've even hit puberty.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Tyl

Said for ages to bin the u23s off

Nowadays you know by 17/18 if a player will make it

I'm not sure that's necessarily true, especially given we've had a few players who were late bloomers.

 

[shmmeee]

Tyl
I'm not sure that's necessarily true, especially given we've had a few players who were late bloomers.

Probably Eccles and Wilson who fit into that, both really bloomed once they went out on loan though. Do wonder if they’d done it a bit earlier if they’d have progressed quicker.

I do think we should start to see the benefits of being a top. Championship club instead of what we’ve been for twenty years soon though. So may be a bit early to write the academy output off just yet.

 

[steve101]

Exception to main point about all talent getting hoovered up, hopefully being Andrew’s next season

Not sure what is happening there. It sounded positive and people were raving about his performance v Rangers. Then selected for the Wales senior squad. Didn't make the bench in both games. Since then he has hardly featured for Motherwell. Mostly an unused sub.

 

[shmmeee]

Not sure what is happening there. It sounded positive and people were raving about his performance v Rangers. Then selected for the Wales senior squad. Didn't make the bench in both games. Since then he has hardly featured for Motherwell. Mostly an unused sub.

I wouldn’t worry too much, young players have peaks and troughs.

 

[procdoc]

Not sure what is happening there. It sounded positive and people were raving about his performance v Rangers. Then selected for the Wales senior squad. Didn't make the bench in both games. Since then he has hardly featured for Motherwell. Mostly an unused sub.

Might have been carrying a knock?

 

[Cov98]

I might be in the minority here, but I'd have liked to have seen Pato get a years contract.

Yes his age is against him but he offers something a little different and is obviously a Cov lad.

 

[stupot07]

I wouldn’t worry too much, young players have peaks and troughs.

Agreed and he is only 18.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I might be in the minority here, but I'd have liked to have seen Pato get a years contract.

Yes his age is against him but he offers something a little different and is obviously a Cov lad.

The club isn’t a charity and he isn’t getting any better.

 

[Cov98]

The club isn’t a charity and he isn’t getting any better.

Correct, but from the little game time he had, he looked alright in my opinion.
I'd imagine his wages aren't exactly high and he'd be happy to be a sub.
His experience could also be helpful, especially in the dressing room like Godden or Fadz in the past.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Correct, but from the little game time he had, he looked alright in my opinion.
I'd imagine his wages aren't exactly high and he'd be happy to be a sub.
His experience could also be helpful, especially in the dressing room like Godden or Fadz in the past.

I think we could sign players who could provide that while offering more on the pitch.

 

[Cov98]

I think we could sign players who could provide that while offering more on the pitch.

Yeah that's fair. Perhaps this is the case and why we didn't offer Pato a contract?

 

[Gint11]

They have to perform on loan and Howley didn't.
Burroughs appeared to be doing well at Lincoln then he had the car crash and has been poor since.

It’s not always as simple as that. He picked up injuries and the manager (in his 2nd stint) had his favourites even though he was promised game time and a chance. There’s always the finer details we don’t tend to hear about that affects things and not just ‘he’s shit because he didn’t oerform”

he played for us away at Huddersfield when we won 1-4 and he didn’t look out of place at all. He is a no 10 but now playing CB for the 23s. Hes 6ft 2 and I’ve got videos of him spraying it about, cool and calm and nestling free kicks into top bins etc. He’s getting overlooked completely.

 

[Frankly_Mr_Shankly]

I’d get rid of the U23s. Kids who hit pro terms either on loan or training with the first team. Arrange friendlies if you want match practice but for me either you’re developing them with training or you’re getting them first team experience.

We don’t have an U23s team?