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Relegation final stretch , who will stay up (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter Evo1883
  • Start date May 3, 2021
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Who will stay up

  • Derby

    Votes: 74 51.4%
  • Wednesday

    Votes: 53 36.8%
  • Rotherham

    Votes: 17 11.8%

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #36
Johnnythespider said:
It's tricky for Rotherham, they will need Wednesday to have something to play for Saturday, but if they win tomorrow it's relegation for Wednesday and almost certainly 3 points for Derby Saturday, stick or bust.
I feel this post needs some Monday's, Tuesday's, Thursday's and Friday's for balance.
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For God's sake man sort the apostrophes out!
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #37
Brighton Sky Blue said:
For God's sake man sort the apostrophes out!
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I like apostrophe's
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #38
I've got the following in relegation and safety zones.

Glicko-2 reckons Wednesday will stay up and Rotherham will finish bottom currently.

21. Sheffield Wednesday (1368)

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22. Derby (1348)
23. Wycombe (1328)
24. Rotherham (1321)
 
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Magwitch1

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #39
I suppose we should be hoping Rotherham survive I reckon both Derby and Sheffield Wednesday will be stronger than Rotherham next season just can’t see Rotherham winning either game to be honest.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #40
Philosorapter said:
I've got the following in relegation and safety zones.

Glicko-2 reckons Wednesday will stay up and Rotherham will finish bottom currently.

21. Sheffield Wednesday (1368)

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22. Derby (1348)
23. Wycombe (1328)
24. Rotherham (1321)
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Does your Glicko factor in the points deduction?
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #41
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Does your Glicko factor in the points deduction?
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No, purely on strength of teams.
 

the rumpo kid

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #42
Wednesday players not payed again in April, and there owner has threatened them if they embarrass him by being relegated he will half they're wages. Not much of an incentive to get a result . But I don't think Rotherham will get another point, and Derby will bottle it on the last day.
 

Moff

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #43
hill83 said:
I used to get my little brother to say “come on city you can win” before going to games and I get my son to say it now. And to be fair to him, since he’s been able to say it we’ve been promoted twice and won a cup.
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Keep him doing it!

I was talking to my son about City, and he was asking what league we were in when he was born. He's 20 now, and we were just about to go down from the Premier League when he was born. 20 years its been, what a sobering thought......where the hell has that time gone!
 
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mark_ccfc

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #44
Very very difficult to call this one. The table shows that Wednesday are on better recent form than Derby, but Rotherham' form goal difference is better than both of them. My guess is that Wednesday will beat Derby, but Rotherham will win one of their games to relegate Wednesday and Derby on goal difference.
 

Ricketts

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #45
the rumpo kid said:
Wednesday players not payed [paid] again in April, and there [their] owner has threatened them if they embarrass him by being relegated he will half [halve] they're [their] wages. Not much of an incentive to get a result . But I don't think Rotherham will get another point, and Derby will bottle it on the last day.
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Yet people moan about apostrophes!
 
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no_loyalty

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #46
mark_ccfc said:
Very very difficult to call this one. The table shows that Wednesday are on better recent form than Derby, but Rotherham' form goal difference is better than both of them. My guess is that Wednesday will beat Derby, but Rotherham will win one of their games to relegate Wednesday and Derby on goal difference.
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Derby are bottom of the form table, Rotherham are second from bottom of the form table.
 

mark_ccfc

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  • May 3, 2021
  • #47
no_loyalty said:
Derby are bottom of the form table, Rotherham are second from bottom of the form table.
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This is true I am just guessing that Rotherham will pull a win out of the bag. To be honest it's anybodys guess what will really happen.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #48
My guess is that Sheffield Wednesday will beat Derby, so Wednesday will finish ahead of derby. Just depends whether rotherham will get the three points required then to finish ahead of both of them.

Difficult position for rotherham cause they want wednesday to to put up a fight against derby and win/draw but a rotherham win against luton effectively relegates Wednesday.
 
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cov donkey kick

Well-Known Member
  • May 4, 2021
  • #49
Don't care really,would like Rotherham to get out and survive.
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #50
"We've got quality in the team and my message to fans is don't panic, don't worry, we'll be fine"

I just hope Derby go down, just to serve Rooney right saying the above

Sent from my I3113 using Tapatalk
 

AOM

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #51
Really want Sheffield Wednesday to survive mainly as it's a good away day

Think Derby will just about manage it though
 

covhead1

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #52
Oh I really hope Derby go down!!
 
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Otis

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #53
AOM said:
Really want Sheffield Wednesday to survive mainly as it's a good away day

Think Derby will just about manage it though
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I agree.

Depends what happens tonight though I suppose.

I do think Derby will beat Wednesday, or at least get the points they need.

Be very odd if Rotherham suddenly won the last two games, but I guess anything is possible. Depends very much on the sides Luton and Cardiff put out.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #54
I’d love a Rotherham win tonight,Paul Warne seems a decent guy and was honest when we won there.
It would also set it up nicely for Saturday.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #55
If Rotherham get a win, then Derby will need to get something on saturday or Rotherham are safe
A Rotherham win would also put Sheff wed out of it

I think they will manage at least 1 win from the 2 games - and expect that to come tonight
Will then depend if Wednesday;s hearts are in it on Saturday
 

Danceswithhorses

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #56
I hope it's Derby relegated, but they always seem to squirm their way out of trouble and disasters, and they will likely do it yet again.
Probably Rotherham relegated, which is sad as they seem a decent, low budget club like ourselves.
 
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AOM

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #57
Also think Derby are more likely to be more competitive next year (assuming they don't keep Rooney) compared to Rotherham and Wednesday so would be better for us if they go down
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #58
skybluesam66 said:
If Rotherham get a win, then Derby will need to get something on saturday or Rotherham are safe
A Rotherham win would also put Sheff wed out of it

I think they will manage at least 1 win from the 2 games - and expect that to come tonight
Will then depend if Wednesday;s hearts are in it on Saturday
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Pretty sure even Rotherham fans have been expecting them to win a game for some time now!

Luton and Cardiff are two tough customers. Personally, I think Derby will stay up. Sheffield Wednesday need to win against Derby and that probably plays into the home teams chances a bit more.
 

Johhny Blue

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #59
Otis said:
I take back what I said then.

For the most exciting finish, a draw tomorrow would be the best result.
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I just logged on to start a thread saying just that.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #60
the rumpo kid said:
Wednesday players not payed again in April, and there owner has threatened them if they embarrass him by being relegated he will half they're wages. Not much of an incentive to get a result . But I don't think Rotherham will get another point, and Derby will bottle it on the last day.
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So that's all 3 relegated then ? Wycombe to win 18-0 and leapfrog them all?
 

Frostie

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #61
 

Otis

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #62
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
My guess is that Sheffield Wednesday will beat Derby, so Wednesday will finish ahead of derby. Just depends whether rotherham will get the three points required then to finish ahead of both of them.

Difficult position for rotherham cause they want wednesday to to put up a fight against derby and win/draw but a rotherham win against luton effectively relegates Wednesday.
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Actually, looking at it, it doesn't. Not quite. It would need a big turnaround at the weekend, but it is possible for Wednesday to still stay up.

So, as it stands....

Rotherham have 40 points. GD of -16
Wednesday have 40 points. GD of -21

If Rotherham win tonight and it was just by an odd goal, that would make it..

Rotherham on 43 points. GD of -15

Wednesday still on 40 points. GD of -21

A 6 goal swing. Tough indeed, but not impossible.

Would need a big win for Wednesday, or a big defeat for Rotherham, or something of a sway Inbetween.

Unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

Remember Swansea last year? That was a 6 goal swing.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #63
Frostie said:
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in simple terms

Lose the last game and they are down
Draw the last game and they would only go down if Rotherham got 4/6 points
Win the last game and they would only go down if Rotherham got 6 points

so probably avoid defeat in the last game will keep them up - lose it and they are down
 
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ovduk78

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #64
I want Derby & Sheff Wed to go down so that they get a real penalty for consistently overspending in the championship and it will be funny watching them try to fit in with L1 SCMP rules next season. Unfortunately I think it will be Rotherham & Sheff Wed that go down.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #65
ovduk78 said:
I want Derby & Sheff Wed to go down so that they get a real penalty for consistently overspending in the championship and it will be funny watching them try to fit in with L1 SCMP rules next season. Unfortunately I think it will be Rotherham & Sheff Wed that go down.
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If I recall for the purposes of SCMP all the relegated teams players are designated average league salary, or players above the average don’t count towards the cap. Something like that anyway
 
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skybluesam66

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #66
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
If I recall for the purposes of SCMP all the relegated teams players are designated average league salary, or players above the average don’t count towards the cap. Something like that anyway
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true, but if their better players want away, they can only be replaced with players within the salary cap
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #67
skybluesam66 said:
true, but if their better players want away, they can only be replaced with players within the salary cap
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They could just both do a Hull and keep their better players. They’ll bounce straight back up
 

no_loyalty

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #68
skybluesam66 said:
If Rotherham get a win, then Derby will need to get something on saturday or Rotherham are safe
A Rotherham win would also put Sheff wed out of it

I think they will manage at least 1 win from the 2 games - and expect that to come tonight
Will then depend if Wednesday;s hearts are in it on Saturday
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I hope Rotherham don’t get the win tonight, as the Sheffield Wednesday players won’t care on Saturday especially as they haven’t been paid.
 

ovduk78

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #69
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
If I recall for the purposes of SCMP all the relegated teams players are designated average league salary, or players above the average don’t count towards the cap. Something like that anyway
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According to the rules any wages paid to players signed before september 2020 and on 3 year deals are exempt from SCMP. They have such a high turnover of players I doubt either club has any in this category.
 

skyblueelephant76

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #70
ovduk78 said:
According to the rules any wages paid to players signed before september 2020 and on 3 year deals are exempt from SCMP. They have such a high turnover of players I doubt either club has any in this category.
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Wasn't the salary cap withdrawn after the PFA complained?
 
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