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  • Start date Aug 19, 2023
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 20, 2023
  • #106
clint van damme said:
Japanese players do seem to live up to the stereotypes, albeit they're positive ones.
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Bet he leaves his seat in the dressing room proper tidy
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 20, 2023
  • #107
shmmeee said:
Bet he leaves his seat in the dressing room proper tidy
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Definitely. I saw the Japanes teams dressing room at the world cup and Kyogo at Celtic picking up some litter as he walked off the pitch.

I'd give my right arm to have that sort of culture here, instead we've got McDonald's wrappers and nitrous cannisters fucking everywhere
 
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fatso

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  • Aug 20, 2023
  • #108
clint van damme said:
Definitely. I saw the Japanes teams dressing room at the world cup and Kyogo at Celtic picking up some litter as he walked off the pitch.

I'd give my right arm to have that sort of culture here, instead we've got McDonald's wrappers and nitrous cannisters fucking everywhere
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The Japanese (in general) do seem to have far more pride and respect.
As a nation we could learn a lot from them.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 20, 2023
  • #109
fatso said:
The Japanese (in general) do seem to have far more pride and respect.
As a nation we could learn a lot from them.
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We could learn Japanese for a start.
 

TomRad85

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  • Aug 20, 2023
  • #110
shmmeee said:
Bet he leaves his seat in the dressing room proper tidy
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Definitely polished it and left an origami swan behind to say thanks for the hospitality. Gent off the pitch, absolute menace on it.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
 
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fatso

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  • Aug 20, 2023
  • #111
shmmeee said:
We could learn Japanese for a start.
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Ar So

私たちはそれを行うことができます
 
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TewkesburySkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 20, 2023
  • #112
skyblu3sk said:
He put his shoulder right in to his face while looking straight at him. That was a borderline red then drags Kelly down in the box which should be a yellow every day of the week he should have been off yet no cards given at all.
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Their number 30 is a thug.
Needs a good kicking when they come ot the CBS
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Aug 21, 2023
  • #113
Swansea had plainly struggled at defending set pieces before our game, and had obviously decided to test how far they could push the ref with blatant blocking and shirt tugging to counter that. Once it became obvious he wasn't going to penalise them their tactics became more and more blatant. I remember a replay showing one such corner where Thomas managed to get his head on the ball but couldn't direct it due to an obvious shirt pull, where the ref was looking directly at the incident with a clear view. Ironically the only time he did blow up from a corner was to give a foul against us after we had a run of corners, which then took the pressure off him as much as the Swansea defence.
 

blunted

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  • Aug 21, 2023
  • #114
Legia Sky Blue said:
Swansea had plainly struggled at defending set pieces before our game, and had obviously decided to test how far they could push the ref with blatant blocking and shirt tugging to counter that. Once it became obvious he wasn't going to penalise them their tactics became more and more blatant. I remember a replay showing one such corner where Thomas managed to get his head on the ball but couldn't direct it due to an obvious shirt pull, where the ref was looking directly at the incident with a clear view. Ironically the only time he did blow up from a corner was to give a foul against us after we had a run of corners, which then took the pressure off him as much as the Swansea defence.
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Spot on, although Sheaf did a blatant push on their player in the area right at the end.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #115
What on earth made Mike Dean think that interview was a good idea?

 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #116
chiefdave said:
What on earth made Mike Dean think that interview was a good idea?

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Absolute idiot so unhelpful to grassroots refs so unprofessional
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #117
It's been obvious that VAR is still "selective".
 
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Bad Boy

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #118
fatso said:
The Japanese (in general) do seem to have far more pride and respect.
As a nation we could learn a lot from them.
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Try telling that to a few WW2 POW
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #119
bad boy said:
Try telling that to a few WW2 POW
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Or we could have a debate with the elderly residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

We've all moved on, and hopefully learnt a little since then.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #120
Pay them more.

Some random googling tells me that “top premier league referees” can earn “up to £70,000”.

That’s ridiculous when players are earning £10m+ a year.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #121
skybluecam said:
Pay them more.

Some random googling tells me that “top premier league referees” can earn “up to £70,000”.

That’s ridiculous when players are earning £10m+ a year.
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I mean, it’s not. Footballers are paid by the massive revenues their clubs generate.
 

skybluecam

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #122
SlowerThanPlatt said:
I mean, it’s not. Footballers are paid by the massive revenues their clubs generate.
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Is quality officiating not vital to the premier league product, and therefore those revenues?
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #123
skybluecam said:
Is quality officiating not vital to the premier league product, and therefore those revenues?
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It’s a fair wage already IMO! The top ones like Oliver earn £200k.

I think we could with do with increasing it at grassroots to encourage more younger officials
 
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skybluecam

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #124
SlowerThanPlatt said:
It’s a fair wage already IMO! The top ones like Oliver earn £200k.

I think we could with do with increasing it at grassroots to encourage more younger officials
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Agreed at grassroots. But I think you want to increase it across the board, so it becomes an attractive career option.

Even L1/2 standard refs should be getting 50/60k+ IMO. It’s a thankless task to be berated for 90 mins by 5, 10, 20,000+ people.
 
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steveo1987

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #125
Keith Stroud tomorrow, our old friend
 
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skybluecam

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #126
SlowerThanPlatt said:
It’s a fair wage already IMO! The top ones like Oliver earn £200k.

I think we could with do with increasing it at grassroots to encourage more younger officials
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To add to this, you say 200k is a fair wage but when the premier league brings in £5bn a year you would think referees should see a vaguely significant portion of that money.

After all, on any given weekend there’s only 80 officials (+ VAR) officiating games.

I’ve probably watched too many plane crash docs but that is the profession that should be emulated for roles like these- no blame culture, human resource management, thorough investigations, findings and recommendations when things go wrong. These all cost money, and so do people who are prepared to design, implement and follow them.
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #127
steveo1987 said:
Keith Stroud tomorrow, our old friend
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4 wins from 4 at home, isn't it ??
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #128
shmmeee said:
We could learn Japanese for a start.
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A country with historic amnesia. Look what they did when they invaded China if you even have a clue. They also heard Dolphins and chop them up. They gloss over it with these traditions but trust me you wouldn’t want them if they were a big nation.
 

JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #129
robbiethemole said:
4 wins from 4 at home, isn't it ??
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We drew at home to Watford. He didn’t send off Gyökeres at Rotherham though
 
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hamertime

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  • Aug 25, 2023
  • #130
fatso said:
The Japanese (in general) do seem to have far more pride and respect.
As a nation we could learn a lot from them.
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In general for a nation The ones that sided with hitler and Bombed the yanks in Pear Harbour. Stop watching the last samurai on repeat and learn what they have actually done. Muppet.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #131
skybluecam said:
To add to this, you say 200k is a fair wage but when the premier league brings in £5bn a year you would think referees should see a vaguely significant portion of that money.

After all, on any given weekend there’s only 80 officials (+ VAR) officiating games.

I’ve probably watched too many plane crash docs but that is the profession that should be emulated for roles like these- no blame culture, human resource management, thorough investigations, findings and recommendations when things go wrong. These all cost money, and so do people who are prepared to design, implement and follow them.
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By what logic would paying refs more money automatically improve their performance levels?
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #132
Nick said:
I'm all for the clamp down but with everything there needs to be consistency.
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It’s impossible for referees to be consistent all the time, and even if they were, it would make the game less interesting.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #133
SBT said:
It’s impossible for referees to be consistent all the time, and even if they were, it would make the game less interesting.
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So why not just have them throw a dice to decide which way the decision goes. It'd be interesting.
 

skyblueeyesrevisited

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #134
skyblu3sk said:
Yep his response to the ref lipreading is "he ran in to me" bullshit he changed direction and elbowed him.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So why not just have them throw a dice to decide which way the decision goes. It'd be interesting.
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I thought they already did
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #135
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So why not just have them throw a dice to decide which way the decision goes. It'd be interesting.
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I’m not saying refereeing decisions should be completely random - I’m saying that, much like the players themselves, they’re inconsistent by nature. And therein lies the appeal/intrigue of football as a game.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #136
Legia Sky Blue said:
By what logic would paying refs more money automatically improve their performance levels?
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The only reason is professionalism
Fitness
Continuous professional development
Performance review

At the top level it’s important to do all you can to aid consistency of your decision making and the group

It’s the one thing for me that I don’t understand
Everything else is the 80:20 argument
If there’s 600 decisions made a game and 99% of them are correct (by anyone’s stretch a stunning level of performance) that means you will get 6 decisions wrong
And when you get to 90% performance that’s 60
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #137
Sky Blue Pete said:
The only reason is professionalism
Fitness
Continuous professional development
Performance review


At the top level it’s important to do all you can to aid consistency of your decision making and the group

It’s the one thing for me that I don’t understand
Everything else is the 80:20 argument
If there’s 600 decisions made a game and 99% of them are correct (by anyone’s stretch a stunning level of performance) that means you will get 6 decisions wrong
And when you get to 90% performance that’s 60
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #138
Don't the highlighted already apply, yet poor errors are still made even with VAR. I don't see how paying them more automatically would equate to a better performance.
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #139
Legia Sky Blue said:
Don't the highlighted already apply, yet poor errors are still made even with VAR. I don't see how paying them more automatically would equate to a better performance.
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The more incentives you offer in any job, the greater likelihood you have of attracting better candidates, and the more committed they are to maintaining good performance.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 26, 2023
  • #140
SBT said:
The more incentives you offer in any job, the greater likelihood you have of attracting better candidates, and the more committed they are to maintaining good performance.
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That's the argument politicians use for their pay increases.
 
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