skybluetony176
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Not good enough. What are you going to say to Che Guevara to show him the era of his ways? What’s that you say? Dead? Over 50 years ago? Why was he brought up again?
Not good enough. What are you going to say to Che Guevara to show him the era of his ways? What’s that you say? Dead? Over 50 years ago? Why was he brought up again?Mr Deflection is back again.
I’m passionate about discrimination in all contexts - are you?
I believe it's called a fact. Anti-semitism is a big thing at the extreme left and right of the political spectrum.
More whataboutery from you. We were discussing AS - you’ve now brought another examples such as Cuba. Shall I just counter that and say what about Saudi Arabia supplying weapons to kill innocents in Yemen - like it’s some kind of atrocity Top Trumps?Yet when I mention things like this to Ian - point out other examples he says it’s deflection
How confusing
More whataboutery from you. We were discussing AS - you’ve now brought another examples such as Cuba. Shall I just counter that and say what about Saudi Arabia supplying weapons to kill innocents in Yemen - like it’s some kind of atrocity Top Trumps?
He isn't doing that either tbfA good leader is someone who develops a winning formula and team.
I mean 2 minutes on Google and it would have been seen it isn't an anti semetic conspiracy.I don’t think that although at the same time I don’t know her reasoning but that wouldn’t be my go to. It’s far more likely that she didn’t spend the two minutes it would have taken on google to find the origins of the story and the original intended use of the story. So basically I put it down to naivety. Again something RLB shouldn’t have been culpable to. So she had to go.
He isn't doing that either tbf
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Well it’s early days
He I think will not exactly adopt a Blair strategy in full but will go an an economic competency message and get confidence from the CBI and the stock market.
Wether you like it or not the what you would call left leaning people in the party - Butler, long Bailey Burgon etc are just not people who’d ever garner public support
He has to stop this forensic bollocks in parliament though or he’s going to start to get mauled when parliament gets back to normal
Wether you like it or not the what you would call left leaning people in the party - Butler, long Bailey Burgon etc are just not people who’d ever garner public support
He has to stop this forensic bollocks in parliament though or he’s going to start to get mauled when parliament gets back to normal
Doesn't that approach make sense though when the chamber's nearly empty and he's basically 1 v 1 on Johnson?
If you like it or not there has to be a sense of theatre at these things - already Johnson has a strategy and we are just going to end up with a lot of unfunny barrister quips
He does have an IDS style of charisma which is no charisma at all. I’m surprised given his profession how dull his speaking tone is actually
Did the article say that exact policeman was specifically trained?
No my point is the lefts obsession with Israel is purely because it is a Jewish state allied to the US and that the extreme left if the party uses it as a dog whistle to create anti Jew sentiment
You support people like Sultana you live with it. Your constant swerving of this issue and attempts to legitimise is embarrassing really.
Whatever your view and whatever you say about minority labour strands of the Jewish movement the vast majority viewed Corbyn and his rag rag army as inherently racist. As with BLM it’s the Jewish voice that matters and not the white voice
Zarah is a charmer isn’t she?
Controversial new Labour MP Zarah Sultana expresses solidarity with antisemitic terrorist murderers
Yet what you are doing is assuming that as I identify on the left of the political spectrum that you can somehow ‘define’ my opinions on this matter. And to suggest that I am trying to somehow legitimise it is utter rubbish, even by your standards. It is a hugely complex matter - not one fully understood by me or you.
Do you believe that AS has been weaponised at all? And if you don’t then why are there Jewish people that think it is.
You said after all it’s the Jewish voice that matters on this - I assume you mean all of them.
I mean the majority in the uk and their views on the Labour Party Ian
'Anyone but Corbyn': Jewish voters turn away from Labour
So you’re not answering then.
Well it’s early days
He I think will not exactly adopt a Blair strategy in full but will go an an economic competency message and get confidence from the CBI and the stock market.
Wether you like it or not the what you would call left leaning people in the party - Butler, long Bailey Burgon etc are just not people who’d ever garner public support
He has to stop this forensic bollocks in parliament though or he’s going to start to get mauled when parliament gets back to normal
Agree on the first paragraph but it's not to say the policies aren't popular. Though policies seem secondary to soundbite hence the continued slide towards fascism.
Agree on the forensics linked to the above, the dickhead centrists who follow him don't realise that most people take little notice of a win on a technicality or nuanced argument. If Blair was loto he'd be at the Tories' throat at the minute.
The specific quote from the article claimed: ‘the move that killed George Floyd was learnt from Israeli secret services’. This is misinformation because it hasn’t been confirmed the officer attended any event with Israeli secret services. Given the context of everything that’s happened since this tragedy, you could say it’s an attempt to direct the anger of communities toward Israel.
I mean, that's not the actual quote from the article.
As I keep saying, when it comes to politics then logic and being able to read goes out of the window.
The bloke and these other assorted centrist wankers aren't getting my vote.
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The bloke and these other assorted centrist wankers aren't getting my vote.
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Really? It's madness.the Independent backing RLB's sacking and talking about the article as if it came from some crackpot conspiracy site rather than their own paper!
I mean, that's not the actual quote from the article.
As I keep saying, when it comes to politics then logic and being able to read goes out of the window.
I am liking it more and more
It hasn’t been confirmed whether Derrick Chauvin had attended such a conference. This is besides the fact that there is a history of codified use of neck restraints long before these seminars/conferences happened. Therefore, the claim that these neck restraints being used by the police is the result of training by Israeli security forces is not an accurate one. Context matters too.
The specific quote from the article claimed: ‘the move that killed George Floyd was learnt from Israeli secret services’. This is misinformation because it hasn’t been confirmed the officer attended any event with Israeli secret services. Given the context of everything that’s happened since this tragedy, you could say it’s an attempt to direct the anger of communities toward Israel.
It’s hard to put myself in that situation, but I could understand why some members of the Jewish community would feel threatened by this language.
To bring it back to the original topic of the thread, it is therefore Kier Starmer’s job to address these concerns. His first step was to give RLB an ‘out’ - the delete and apologise route. When she refused, he had to sack her. To be clear: RLB wasn’t sacked for tweet, she was sacked because she refused orders from her boss.
Yeah, I quoted it at the start of the thread. Not the version I just questioned which was twisted.It is a direct quote and the original article I shared with you had the excerpt where Maxine Peake made the claim that the move was learnt from Israeli special services.
Here is the unedited, original quote, from the original Independent article which RLB shared. I’ve attached a screenshot.
Link: Maxine Peake: ‘People who couldn’t vote Labour because of Jeremy Corbyn? They voted Tory as far as I’m concerned’
Possibly worth mentioning that the article was edited by the Independent following Long-Bailey's sacking. The original version was:Here is the unedited, original quote, from the original Independent article which RLB shared. I’ve attached a screenshot.
"The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services".
Though a spokesperson from the Israeli police has denied this, a 2016 Amnesty International report said that hundreds of law enforcement officials had traveled to Israel for training.
Yeah, I quoted it at the start of the thread. Not the version I just questioned which was twisted.
It reads like the heavy handed tactics by the police in America have been learnt from israelis. Not that exact copper was trained to kill black people.
why would Derek Chauvin needed to have attended a conference to have learned this technique in Israel?
US police delegates attend seminars in Israel, they then pass on what they've learnt, it doesn't mean every officer has had to travel to Israel for training surely?
to be fair the Israelis could tell them to set fire to people with flame throwers, the US authorities don't have to do it, ultimately the US authorities are responsible for the behaviour of their officers nobody else.
Ok, assuming that it is the case. US police aren’t learning this from Israeli secret services - they’re being trained by their own police departments.
Possibly worth mentioning that the article was edited by the Independent following Long-Bailey's sacking. The original version was:
that quote is a bit ambiguous to be honest, I think the Israelis are denying the kneeling on the neck technique was taught at these seminars not that police from the US go there for training.
For what it's worth I don't believe the Israelis denial about the neck technique.
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