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Ray Ranson (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter junglej13
  • Start date Nov 2, 2020
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junglej13

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #1
... Apparently sniffing round Wigan.
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #2
I've always heard the gear is cheaper up north.
 
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mr_monkey

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #3
Poor fuckers
 

rob9872

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #4
I thought he might be dead
 

Malaka

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #5
TBF I think he was royally fucked over by SISU
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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Malaka said:
TBF I think he was royally fucked over by SISU
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Nah if anything he fucked over them
 
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Skybluebeliever

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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Malaka said:
TBF I think he was royally fucked over by SISU
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He wanted to have a cut of any future profit on players for himself
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #8
Ranson said he could have signed Carroll and Henderson for £1.5m - 6 months on and both were in their respective first teams.

Both were never for sale but it’s a good story to tell everyone
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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SlowerThanPlatt said:
Ranson said he could have signed Carroll and Henderson for £1.5m - 6 months on and both were in their respective first teams.

Both were never for sale but it’s a good story to tell everyone
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If I could be bothered, I'd find the quotes from when we signed Henderson, that were he was coming here for development.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #10
Poor Wigan.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #11
junglej13 said:
... Apparently sniffing round Wigan.
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Thought @Liquid Gold lived in Bristol?

Oh well, furlough is sending people to extreme lengths I guess.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Thought @Liquid Gold lived in Bristol?

Oh well, furlough is sending people to extreme lengths I guess.
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Gibbo

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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I thoug
Malaka said:
TBF I think he was royally fucked over by SISU
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ht it was the other way round, he sold them a pup...
 

Gibbo

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #14
Sorry that should say 'I thought it was the other way round, he sold them a pup'
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #15
Malaka said:
TBF I think he was royally fucked over by SISU
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Yeah yeah yeah, man who owns company providing Wonga loans for transfer fees is fucked over by those nasty SISU bad guys. At least they cottoned on to the crooked c**t.
 
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As ever, with these things, no matter who fucked who over, you'd have to question the judgement of somebody who went into a money-pit industry, risking £10s of millions, without doing appropriate due diligence...
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 2, 2020
  • #17
SISU didn’t understand the Bosman ruling.

Whether or not RR explained it to them clearly / honestly and accurately we will never know.

SISU invested in players and placed their purchase value on their “balance sheet” (if you were).

So. If they spent 1m on a player, they didn’t see that as a revenue cost, just an asset purchase. They understood that some players may do well (and hence go up in value) and some may not (and go down).

What they didn’t understand was that players could move for nothing at the end of their contract.

The clearest example was that of Keiran Westwood. SISU went grey as soon as they realised that their “asset” was leaving for nothing. They tried everything to try to get him to sign and he was even dropped from the team.

After that, SISU went into panic mode, trying to either “secure” or offload their assets before they became “worthless”. Leon Best shipped out quickly, and so on.

To “secure” their assets they thought the best way was to sort out their contracts. “Contracts expert” Ken Delieu was brought in and Triumphantly secured David Bell on a long term deal.

That short time window of realisation (Realising that Westwood was going for zero) was the divergent point for Ranson and SISU and effectively stopped SISU from “investing” any further in the club.

The (guess figures) £20m “hole” in the balance sheet on behalf of their investors SISU thought they could plug for buying an asset (Ricoh) worth (guess) £25m for £5m, and putting it in their accounts as such.

The Council didn’t play ball and the rest Is history.

Anyway. It strikes me that Ranson wasn’t clear at the outset. He was also a nutter. Why sack Dowie (doing ok, we’d just paid a load of legal fees for him, and had a good, recent track record of getting Palace into the Prem) and bring in Chris F’in Coleman?
 
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joemercersaces

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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I think he fancied him. I heard Ranson describe him as “a 6’4 handsome bastard.” He also said our difficulty would be keeping Coleman. As I understand it the difficulty was keeping Coleman off the piss in Leamington (and other activities). Ranson suggested it had been a close call between Coleman and Nigel Pearson. Coleman seems a decent enough bloke but fancies himself a bit too much. Got very lucky with Gareth Bale with Wales.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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joemercersaces said:
I think he fancied him. I heard Ranson describe him as “a 6’4 handsome bastard.” He also said our difficulty would be keeping Coleman. As I understand it the difficulty was keeping Coleman off the piss in Leamington (and other activities). Ranson suggested it had been a close call between Coleman and Nigel Pearson. Coleman seems a decent enough bloke but fancies himself a bit too much. Got very lucky with Gareth Bale with Wales.
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Hope you're not calling him a prick, he's a married man
 
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Hobo

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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joemercersaces said:
I think he fancied him. I heard Ranson describe him as “a 6’4 handsome bastard.” He also said our difficulty would be keeping Coleman. As I understand it the difficulty was keeping Coleman off the piss in Leamington (and other activities). Ranson suggested it had been a close call between Coleman and Nigel Pearson. Coleman seems a decent enough bloke but fancies himself a bit too much. Got very lucky with Gareth Bale with Wales.
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Wales was presented on a plate and dropped in his lap. He contributed nothing to that team.
 

higgs

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  • Nov 2, 2020
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Hobo said:
Wales was presented on a plate and dropped in his lap. He contributed nothing to that team.
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Gary speed had done all the hard work with Wales before Coleman took over

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rob9872

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  • Nov 3, 2020
  • #22
higgs said:
Gary speed had done all the hard work with Wales before Coleman took over

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Massive myth imo and and imo simply because of his issues he's portrayed as some kind of messiah. At international level there isnt much coaching or improvement as southgate has proved and it's a question of how good the players at your disposal are. Identifying the likes of Bale and Ramsey doesn't take a great deal. Not certain they were part of Speeds but era but will have enhanced any squad he built. Also had the the benefit of his mate Giggs who didnt alway always turn up for previous managers particularly in friendlies friendlies.
 
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  • Nov 3, 2020
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rob9872 said:
Massive myth imo and and imo simply because of his issues he's portrayed as some kind of messiah. At international level there isnt much coaching or improvement as southgate has proved and it's a question of how good the players at your disposal are. Identifying the likes of Bale and Ramsey doesn't take a great deal. Not certain they were part of Speeds but era but will have enhanced any squad he built. Also had the the benefit of his mate Giggs who didnt alway always turn up for previous managers particularly in friendlies friendlies.
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I agree. Tragic what happened to him, awful he felt he couldn't get help for his issues but... not much sign of him being a great coach.

It's also lazy to say you only qualify because of X player. You still have to do it, same as the top coaches still have to win the titles, even if they do have the best players to pick from. And it's not Wales are blessed with quality backup across the field.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 3, 2020
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Deleted member 5849 said:
I agree. Tragic what happened to him, awful he felt he couldn't get help for his issues but... not much sign of him being a great coach.

It's also lazy to say you only qualify because of X player. You still have to do it, same as the top coaches still have to win the titles, even if they do have the best players to pick from. And it's not Wales are blessed with quality backup across the field.
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He only beat Andorra in qualifying because Bale scored a few free kicks.
 
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