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  • Start date Jan 2, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #106
DannyThomas_1981 said:
It's fair. Many of our players play through various niggles and knocks; Kelly for many games last season. It just shows how good they are that it's not always evident to us fans that they are playing through injuries at times.
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Sheffield Wednesday came at a shit time for us with a lot of players running on empty tanks I think. Will put it right in 2 weeks against them I hope!
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #107
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Sheffield Wednesday came at a shit time for us with a lot of players running on empty tanks I think. Will put it right in 2 weeks against them I hope!
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Yup and Hamer was suspended.
 
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Adge

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #108
Yorkshire SB said:
If he doesn’t go in Jan, then that doesn’t mean there isn’t interest, if that’s what you’re implying.
Seems a ridiculously odd POV, and hill to die on, considering the performances he puts in. I think you can remove subjectiveness from that by looking at the stats as well, which back up that he’s exceptional at this level. Being subjective though, he’s brilliant and the best player I’ve seen in a Cov shirt since McSheffrey pre Brum move, perhaps.
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Jeez-you haven’t set the bar very high.
 

Jamesimus

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #109
@SBT

For reference he did a 30km at 4:55 pace (long run, but that's not particularly quick) and a 21km at 3:27 (I'd regard that as a quick pace for someone of his build / stature). He's 'Cal Ohare' on Strava, apologies I don't know how to link. There's a runner person on here who I'm sure would know more, but I was impressed at least.
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #110
Adge said:
Jeez-you haven’t set the bar very high.
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Yeah possibly too high, I can’t think of a player we’ve had that’s been that good when we’ve had them though. Maybe Scott Dann or Westwood?
 

Adge

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #111
Yorkshire SB said:
Yeah possibly too high, I can’t think of a player we’ve had that’s been that good when we’ve had them though. Maybe Scott Dann or Westwood?
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So you don’t think Marlon King was better than McSheffrey?
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #112
Jamesimus said:
@SBT

For reference he did a 30km at 4:55 pace (long run, but that's not particularly quick) and a 21km at 3:27 (I'd regard that as a quick pace for someone of his build / stature). He's 'Cal Ohare' on Strava, apologies I don't know how to link. There's a runner person on here who I'm sure would know more, but I was impressed at least.
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I run a bit. That 21k is amazing for someone without specialist distance training; O'Hare is trained for consistent short bursts of speed over 90 minutes and not for a sustained half marathon at such an advanced tempo. Very, very impressive.
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #113
Jamesimus said:
@SBT

For reference he did a 30km at 4:55 pace (long run, but that's not particularly quick) and a 21km at 3:27 (I'd regard that as a quick pace for someone of his build / stature). He's 'Cal Ohare' on Strava, apologies I don't know how to link. There's a runner person on here who I'm sure would know more, but I was impressed at least.
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No chance is he running 21km at 3:27 pace - that’s like elite national level running
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #114
Adge said:
So you don’t think Marlon King was better than McSheffrey?
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Ah see what you’re getting at. I did say pre Birmingham move. I think McSheffrey was more or less the best player in the division at that time. King was good but not that good
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #115
Yorkshire SB said:
No chance is he running 21km at 3:27 pace - that’s like elite national level running
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Perhaps he was on a bike then?!

Seems quick to me, but not impossibly so for a younger person? I've never been an elite national level runner or professional sports person, but have managed 4 min km pace regularly in my 20s.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #116
Jamesimus said:
Perhaps he was on a bike then?!

Seems quick to me, but not impossibly so for a younger person? I've never been an elite national level runner or professional sports person, but have managed 4 min km pace regularly in my 20s.
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Haha yeah, I’m guessing he was on a bike

 
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Jamesimus

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #117
SBT said:
Haha yeah, I’m guessing he was on a bike

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What a liar haha. Still a machine though.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #118
Yorkshire SB said:
Ah see what you’re getting at. I did say pre Birmingham move. I think McSheffrey was more or less the best player in the division at that time. King was good but not that good
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I think we have had plenty of better players than McSheffrey. King, Maddison, immediately spring to mind.
 

JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #119
Blind-Faith said:
Nilsson was JUST before my time I’m afraid , but my best mate and his dad always go on about how he was total class
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Nilsson was almost impeccable. Made one -and only one mistake in his entire SkyBlue career, treading on the ball in injury time of the replay at Bramhall Lane in 1998. It squeezed our under his foot and went fit a corner from which they equalised and went on to knock us out on penalties.
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #120
clint van damme said:
to this day I'm amazed how Nilsson never played for a really big club.
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He did....us
 
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speedie87

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #121
Thing that is hard to understand with Nilsson was he was in late 30’s by time he joined us and his legs had gone pace wise yet he was still absolute class. Amazing he didn’t spend his career at top top clubs. What I always remember about him was if there wasn’t a pass on he wouldnt just knock it anywhere he’d just keep the ball shield it and wait until there was
 
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JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #122
JimmyHillsbeard said:
Nilsson was almost impeccable. Made one -and only one mistake in his entire SkyBlue career, treading on the ball in injury time of the replay at Bramhall Lane in 1998. It squeezed our under his foot and went fit a corner from which they equalised and went on to knock us out on penalties.
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And for the record Brian Borrows was generally held to be incredibly unlucky not to have been capped by England. I dare say had he played for a different club especially one in London or the north west he might have been in the frame.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #123
Grendel said:
O Hare was better today and easily is more likely a prospect to be in the premier league

Hamer will never be signed for the top flight - I can’t see promotion challengers even looking at him as a serious acquisition
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Look at me with my deliberate contrary opinion. Embarrassing.
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #124
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Just my view but I don't think Biamou looked fit today. Other times he's come on he hasn't hit the heights of that superb Rotherham performance and has struggled to impose himself on the game. Usually he will always bust a gut if nothing else but something hasn't seemed right of late.
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Maybe he has been told he is leaving and feels a little deflated or maybe its an after effect of the acl
 

harvey098

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #125
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Just my view but I don't think Biamou looked fit today. Other times he's come on he hasn't hit the heights of that superb Rotherham performance and has struggled to impose himself on the game. Usually he will always bust a gut if nothing else but something hasn't seemed right of late.
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I did think that myself but he grew into the game last quarter and made the crucial tackle to give O’Hare the 1v1 and also put one on a plate for Hamer at the end after another great tackle. Think he just knew he couldn’t give it 100 playing that lone role for that long
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #126
Yorkshire SB said:
and going to ground on Parrott stupid
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Sort of want to make a Monty Python joke there
 
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steve101

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #127
DannyThomas_1981 said:
It's fair. Many of our players play through various niggles and knocks; Kelly for many games last season. It just shows how good they are that it's not always evident to us fans that they are playing through injuries at times.
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I wonder if he has been instructed to reduce the chasing? I remember Robins saying that Godden or maybe it was McNulty needs to reduce his running and do so in more threatening areas. It makes sense when playing one up top. He did on a few occasions rob a player of the ball including the one at the byline which led to a late Hamer chance. The one area he hasn't been as effective since Rotherham is in the air.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #128
Deleted member 9744 said:
Well I have just read some crazy things and I am not sure if people are being serious. First someone suggests O'Hare didn't play very well today. He was brilliant.

Then Grendal says O'Hare is better than Hamer. Now I rate O'Hare very highly but no way is he better than Hamer.
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I'm not sure it matters which one is better. Both are good players.
 

mark82

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #129
stevefloyd said:
Maybe he has been told he is leaving and feels a little deflated or maybe its an after effect of the acl
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Neither. He's carrying a knee injury.

We're short up front now. Hoping we try to bring someone in on loan as cover.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #130
Grendel said:
O Hare was better today and easily is more likely a prospect to be in the premier league

Hamer will never be signed for the top flight - I can’t see promotion challengers even looking at him as a serious acquisition
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Bookmarked this for later
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #131
Deleted member 9744 said:
I think we have had plenty of better players than McSheffrey. King, Maddison, immediately spring to mind.
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Well Maddison was 18 and playing in league one, so it’s not really a comparison.
King was a good player no doubt, but no chance was he the best in the division when we had him, whereas McSheffrey was in that bracket.
 
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Adge

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #132
Yorkshire SB said:
Well Maddison was 18 and playing in league one, so it’s not really a comparison.
King was a good player no doubt, but no chance was he the best in the division when we had him, whereas McSheffrey was in that bracket.
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Wow-you do really hold him in high regard. Not sure he was up there with the best in the division though-time to take the Sky Blue “one of our own” glasses off I think.
 

stupot07

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #133
Adge said:
Wow-you do really hold him in high regard. Not sure he was up there with the best in the division though-time to take the Sky Blue “one of our own” glasses off I think.
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His last season with us he was undoubtedly one of the best players in the championship, Birmingham paid £4m for him which was quite a lot of money back then, that season he got something like 15 goals and 20 assists playing left wing and was voted in the EFL Championship team of the year.

He wasn't good enough and didn't have enough pace for the Premier League, but for 2 seasons he was right up there in the as one of the best wingers in the championship (2005-2007).



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