Published Income details (10 Viewers)

[oldskyblue58]

Make of this what you will but this is a break down of the last 10 years CCFC/CCFC H income as published in the accounts as a group. We moved to Ricoh Aug 2005. relegated 2001 & 2012

year............ Catering.......... Commercial........... Gate
2001 ............901,634 ............16,298,224 .......6,740,614
2002............ 537,156............. 11,930,492 ......3,978,066
2003 ..............78,926 .............11,032,834 ......3,388,323
2004 .............84,596.............. 4,411,966........ 3,391,876
2005 ............911,625 ..............3,782,202 ........3,992,244
2006 ...............6,630............... 4,528,260......... 5,391,012
2007 .....................0 ...............4,355,308......... 5,311,248
2008 .....................0............... 5,351,422 .........5,738,333
2009..................... 0 ...............5,908,511......... 4,945,740
2010..................... 0................ 6,593,786........ 4,360,518
2011 .....................0................ 8,133,123........ 3,925,900

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No catering income from 2005 onwards but even before that catering was fluctuating wldly in its levels. What is not available is the costs incurred in providing the catering (purchases, wages, etc). Even in its best year the catering turnover was 10% of total turnover (thats not profit)

Commercial income - thats all other income except catering and gate income so everything else- has been steadily increasing, despite falling gates and apparent inability to access all income steams. Biggest hole in income this season 2012/13 is the loss in TV income & prize money.

Gate income reflects the decline of the team

Source Companies house
Figures for CCFC and CCFCH are combined totals

as to anything else make your own conclusions

 

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[WillieStanley]

The commercial side doesn't really surprise me. Since the takeover the commercial department have been brilliant. Add to that the success of the retro branding last year as well as the reportedly lucrative City Link deal.

In other news, a friend of mine works the turnstyles. They didn't get paid on Saturday. The club stating they couldn't afford it.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

Great stuff, as ever OSB. Could you just clarify is each year a financial year/calendar/season? Thx

 

[oldskyblue58]

Begs the question if the club do not have the income streams available what have the commercial team to sell so that the income increases and they able to be brilliant WS ? Doubt the increase is down to prize money and TV fees, and it would be a lot of shirts

Not good news about your friend.......... unlikely they will pay the rent or match day fee then? Wonder what the bar bill was in the board room last match? Always the "little" people that get stood on

 

[oldskyblue58]

Great stuff, as ever OSB. Could you just clarify is each year a financial year/calendar/season? Thx

its from the annual accounts so is up to 31/05 each year

 

[Nick]

How does the catering jump from 84,596 to 911,625 ?

Did the pies get better that year?

 

[skyblueinBaku]

In other news, a friend of mine works the turnstyles. They didn't get paid on Saturday. The club stating they couldn't afford it.

This is very worrying, if true. I can't imagine that the bill for turnstile operators is very high. Have things really got this bad?

 

[oldskyblue58]

last year at HR ...... there were a lot of farewell events etc .......... but it is still one hell of a jump. Perhaps the question should be why were the two years previous so low Nick?

 

[skyblueman]

This is very worrying, if true. I can't imagine that the bill for turnstile operators is very high. Have things really got this bad?

Still I expect all the players and directors got paid!

 

[Nick]

last year at HR ...... there were a lot of farewell events etc .......... but it is still one hell of a jump. Perhaps the question should be why were the two years previous so low Nick?

Very true. Could the income that was submitted be slightly under calculated on purpose?

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Still I expect all the players and directors got paid!

Especially the directors!

 

[wingy]

Does this include Player sales ??

 

[Tomh111]

Am I missing something obvious... But what accounts for the £7 million drop between 2003 and 2004 in the commercial income? that is a fucking big chunk of money we lost.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Parachute payments ended ???:thinking about:

 

[oldskyblue58]

Cant find the amount it has cost City Link - £1m mentioned but unconfirmed and runs out 2013

 

[oldskyblue58]

Does this include Player sales ??

no it doesnt wingy - they are classed asset disposals not turnover

 

[wingy]

Keep hearing that bloody jingle/sample of Fletcher every 20 mins on CWR saying its cost City £70m. to be at the Ricoh.

 

[Bluegloucester]

Begs the question if the club do not have the income streams available what have the commercial team to sell so that the income increases and they able to be brilliant WS ? Doubt the increase is down to prize money and TV fees, and it would be a lot of shirts

Not good news about your friend.......... unlikely they will pay the rent or match day fee then? Wonder what the bar bill was in the board room last match? Always the "little" people that get stood on

CET sponsor the boardroom!

 

[oldskyblue58]

Keep hearing that bloody jingle/sample of Fletcher every 20 mins on CWR saying its cost City £70m. to be at the Ricoh.

I keep hearing it too.......... would love to know how he arrives at that figure. The implication is CCFC would have £70m in their pocket and that imo is simply wrong to the point of delusion.

Also you have to wonder why CWR keep repeating such an unsubstantiated claim :thinking about:

 

[wingy]

I thought staffing was in that £10k. matchday fee ,so many arrangements ,are the stewards run by the club or ACL as we were lead to believe when the banners came out

 

[oldskyblue58]

CCFC H 2011 accounts lists stewards as their employees .......... unless it has changed since

 

[Sky Blues]

last year at HR ...... there were a lot of farewell events etc .......... but it is still one hell of a jump. Perhaps the question should be why were the two years previous so low Nick?

Those catering figures do smell a bit fishy. In a bid to find an odour eater, can anyone remember when we tried out cashless?

 

[WillieStanley]

This is very worrying, if true. I can't imagine that the bill for turnstile operators is very high. Have things really got this bad?

Sorry for the late reply.

Each one gets £15. Uptown and including last season they then got to watch the match. This season they are expected to take on "Stewarding duties" as well for no extra pay and the obvious lesser benefits.

Programme sellers get 12p per programme they individually sell last time I checked. 2 seasons ago they proposed taking that away saying the free ticket in is enough.

 

[olderskyblue]

Am I missing something obvious... But what accounts for the £7 million drop between 2003 and 2004 in the commercial income? that is a fucking big chunk of money we lost.

Did the ITV digital saga have any effect on this? that was 2002 though I think...

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

2003 ..............78,926 .............11,032,834 ......3,388,323
2004 .............84,596.............. 4,411,966........ 3,391,876
2005 ............911,625 ..............3,782,202 ........3,992,244

The wide ranging of figures is very concerning.

Also worth suggesting the figures from the commercial team in the last year are excellent, I wonder whats happened to that cash, now what was that grossly figure in the loss column made against in the books, adminstrative fees?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Bristol City have just announced 14 million pound loss last year on top of 11 million the year before. There income was 11.8 million

They paid out wages of 18 million. Over 4 times our 4 million wage budget this season

 

[SkyBlueCharlie]

Also you have to wonder why CWR keep repeating such an unsubstantiated claim :thinking about:

Come on..what else would Stuart, Clive and co have to do on a saturday afternoon..the redundancy payments would be horrendous.

 

[Jack Griffin]

On 20 Dec 2011 you requested that we monitor the company OTIUM ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LIMITED for changes.

The following changes have been detected:
30 Jan 2013
The Company's Annual Accounts are now OVERDUE
The company accounts were expected to be submitted by 21 Jan 2013

 

[oldskyblue58]

club accounts are due 28/02/13 as well ............ but doubt they can file any of the groups accounts until the rent issue is finalised because they cant say any of it is a going concern until that is put to bed.

 

[Sky Blues]

Does that mean they will have to resolve this one way or another fairly soon OSB? They can't go indefinitely without filing accounts can they? I mean, sure this is just a few days, but within, I dunno, a year or something they must surely have to file.

 

[Sub]

last year at HR ...... there were a lot of farewell events etc ..........

was that for all the directors managers and players we released ?

 

[oldskyblue58]

Does that mean they will have to resolve this one way or another fairly soon OSB? They can't go indefinitely without filing accounts can they? I mean, sure this is just a few days, but within, I dunno, a year or something they must surely have to file.

More reasons than Company House to settle it Sky Blues. I would expect it settled by end of season but then you never know ......