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  • Start date Oct 16, 2014
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #1
Anybody get it? I think there is an article in there about us again this week?
 
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Skybluechick

New Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #2
@lesreidpolitics put it on his time line yesterday
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #3
Imagine it's not pro-council, as Council Jack hasn't posted it up yet.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #4
Just read it, it wasn't Joey Essex judging though was it?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #5
Got a link?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #6


 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #7
Trebles all round!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #8
Wasn't even Joey Essex though.....
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #9
So, would you kindly point out the factual errors?

RPHunt said:
More Les Reid poison, the guy is both vindictive and obsessed.
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #10
No, wasn't it another one of the thick idiots from TOWIE? The only error I can see in the whole piece.

Nick said:
Wasn't even Joey Essex though.....
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Noggin

New Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #11
torchomatic said:
No, wasn't it another one of the thick idiots from TOWIE? The only error I can see in the whole piece.
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if thats the only error you can see you aren't worth conversing with, you lack any ability to look at something reasonably, still as the author of one of the most biased and misleading posts on the forum (the bullet points of the story so far) it's hardly a surprise.

The vast majority of that article is biased, misleading and in many cases just outright false.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #12
Really?

Why not "bullet point" yourself, show me why I should love Ann as much as you. Make me see the error of my ways.

Noggin said:
if thats the only error you can see you aren't worth conversing with, you lack any ability to look at something reasonably, still as the author of one of the most biased and misleading posts on the forum (the bullet points of the story so far) it's hardly a surprise.

The vast majority of that article is biased, misleading and in many cases just outright false.
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lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #13
Noggin said:
if thats the only error you can see you aren't worth conversing with, you lack any ability to look at something reasonably, still as the author of one of the most biased and misleading posts on the forum (the bullet points of the story so far) it's hardly a surprise.

The vast majority of that article is biased, misleading and in many cases just outright false.
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Yeah, Private Eye, tool of the establishment, easily bought off for money or favours.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #14
I'm especially looking forward to the "outright false". I desperately hope it's the £5.5M figure.

lordsummerisle said:
Yeah, Private Eye, tool of the establishment, easily bought off for money or favours.
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #15
Noggin said:
The vast majority of that article is biased, misleading and in many cases just outright false.
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Sounds like most of the stuff coming out of councillor's mouths when they go on about how it is just down to the club to buy the higgs share and it is all up to the club now.

While I can see the article doesn't like the council much, what is false about the facts stated? I am not saying it is all correct, just asking what is wrong?
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #16
torchomatic said:
Really?

Why not "bullet point" yourself, show me why I should love Ann as much as you. Make me see the error of my ways.
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spend hours making a bullet point story so far in order to try to convince someone who has gotten more and more set in their ways as the evidence has mounted to the contrary? why would anyone do that? you arn't capable of being reasonable, you arn't capable of looking at a situation on it's merits. You can start by reading the JR transcripts, the fact you already know what they say but if anything they strengthed your resolve says everything.

I've said till I'm blue in the face that I don't like the council.

Or are you asking me to bullet point the private eye article? I'm not going to do that either, but if you'd like another example of its inaccuracy, how about that it says the Ricoh's only major event was the streaking contest which what what a few hundred people attending? rather than talking about events like the Insomnia gaming festival or the Outbreak festival that had about 50k attendance between them.
 
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Noggin

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  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #17
lordsummerisle said:
Yeah, Private Eye, tool of the establishment, easily bought off for money or favours.
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what? I never accused them of being bought off.

I said the article is biased, misleading and in many cases is outright false and it is.

Thinking whoever wrote the article is a terrible journalist and a biased idiot isn't not accusing them of being bought off.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #18
Ah, I get it. So it's misleading, outright false, etc but you're not going to tell us why.

OK, nudge nudge wink wink, I believe you.

Noggin said:
what? I never accused them of being bought off.

I said the article is biased, misleading and in many cases is outright false and it is.

Thinking whoever wrote the article is a terrible journalist and a biased idiot isn't not accusing them of being bought off.
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Noggin

New Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #19
torchomatic said:
Ah, I get it. So it's misleading, outright false, etc but you're not going to tell us why.

OK, nudge nudge wink wink, I believe you.
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I already gave you another example in the previous post that you seem to have conveniently skipped by. Again you show you only take in the information that supports your view and dismiss everything else, you aren't worth the effort.

Edit - Will add it here again for you since it's hidden away 1 post above the post you responded too, "but if you'd like another example of its inaccuracy, how about that it says the Ricoh's only major event was the streaking contest which what what a few hundred people attending? rather than talking about events like the Insomnia gaming festival or the Outbreak festival that had about 50k attendance between them."
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #20
No, I got that. They missed an event. The important stuff is the breathtaking hypocrisy? False? The private vote. False? Or the pathetic amount paid. False? Surely, every City fan wants to know the answers to questions over the 250 lease too?

Noggin said:
I already gave you another example in the previous post that you seem to have conveniently skipped by. Again you show you only take in the information that supports your view and dismiss everything else, you aren't worth the effort.
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #21
I can see the point about the 'streaking contest' - clearly the Ricoh had done other, better business than that. Which presumably is why Ann Lucas had described ACL as profitable and sustainable right up until the point that the Wasps franchise offer came along, at which point it turned out that the Ricoh was just 'washing its face'.

The hypocrisy point made against the council regarding franchising is undeniable here - bad for CCFC, good for Wasps, apparently.

There's also an issue of honesty with regard to how profitable the Ricoh was - again this shifted remarkably when it suited the council to push for the Wasps deal, from when they stood against SISU via the bailout.

I'm not for a moment saying SISU were right to do what they did - but the premise of the Private Eye thing isn't far off either, imho.

The way the council have handled this stinks, and more than of just hypocrisy, there's a strong whiff of dishonesty here too, imho.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #22
Could have been written by TF himself and as expected latched on by the usual few Council haters.

Sisu are assert strippers sums exactly how we have got where we are today.

It's done and people need to get over it.

It feels good business to me and local businesses are recovering already with more business to come.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #23
italiahorse said:
Could have been written by TF himself and as expected latched on by the usual few Council haters.

Sisu are assert strippers sums exactly how we have got where we are today.

It's done and people need to get over it.

It feels good business to me and local businesses are recovering already with more business to come.
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What makes it good business? Not having a go, just asking.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #24
Again, totally glossing over the hypocrisy. £5.5M for a 250 year lease good business?

italiahorse said:
Could have been written by TF himself and as expected latched on by the usual few Council haters.

Sisu are assert strippers sums exactly how we have got where we are today.

It's done and people need to get over it.

It feels good business to me and local businesses are recovering already with more business to come.
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covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #25
Sisu haven't got their grubby hands on the community asset. That's what makes it good business.
 

bezzer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #26
italiahorse said:
Could have been written by TF himself and as expected latched on by the usual few Council haters.

Sisu are assert strippers sums exactly how we have got where we are today.

It's done and people need to get over it.

It feels good business to me and local businesses are recovering already with more business to come.
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So pleased to hear you're happy with this.

Local businesses recovering? Who? How? Enlighten us.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #27
torchomatic said:
So, would you kindly point out the factual errors?
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At a very quick glance the "£14.4m council tax payers bail out" was a loan from central goverment and as SISU lost the JR and are paying CCC's legal fees i doubt the council tax payer is. SISU coulnd't provide proof of funds for £ 5.5M and instead offered £ 2M and as part of that deal SISU wouldn't have taken the councils loan completely as there was no council loan at this time, the debt was too the Yorkshire bank.

Apart from that I'm sure its bang on.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #28
Again, not a word on the hypocrisy or whether £5.5M for a 250 year lease is good value for the taxpayer. What is that, 20K a year?

skybluetony176 said:
At a very quick glance the "£14.4m council tax payers bail out" was a loan from central goverment and as SISU lost the JR and are paying CCC's legal fees i doubt the council tax payer is. SISU coulnd't provide proof of funds for £ 5.5M and instead offered £ 2M and as part of that deal SISU wouldn't have taken the councils loan completely as there was no council loan at this time, the debt was too the Yorkshire bank.

Apart from that I'm sure its bang on.
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #29
torchomatic said:
Again, totally glossing over the hypocrisy. £5.5M for a 250 year lease good business?
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Can't comment as no one has seen the full deal yet. I thought it was in the realms of £30M into CCC coffers?. Still don't believe that CCC won't get an income from leasing the stadium as people keep touting, but we shall see when it's revealed.

As for good business I'm talking about the stadium and other businesses in surrounding areas will benefit from this. Just wish Ccfc could/would buy into the stadium to give us the future we want.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #30
Nick said:
What makes it good business? Not having a go, just asking.
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bezzer said:
So pleased to hear you're happy with this.

Local businesses recovering? Who? How? Enlighten us.
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Pubs, clubs, casino, Sky blue megastore, private car parks, batch bars, ACL, fast food outlets etc etc
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #31
torchomatic said:
Again, not a word on the hypocrisy or whether £5.5M for a 250 year lease is good value for the taxpayer. What is that, 20K a year?
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You asked to point out the factual errors so i answered. Good effort changing the subject though, Grendull will be proud. I guess that means you can't disagree with what I've pointed out so I suppose at least we agree that there is some factual errors.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #32
italiahorse said:
Can't comment as no one has seen the full deal yet. I thought it was in the realms of £30M into CCC coffers?. Still don't believe that CCC won't get an income from leasing the stadium as people keep touting, but we shall see when it's revealed.

As for good business I'm talking about the stadium and other businesses in surrounding areas will benefit from this. Just wish Ccfc could/would buy into the stadium to give us the future we want.
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The council evening telegraph reported £30 million which went to £20 million the next day and that included the loan so this just confirms what the telegraph said.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #33
The article says a sale to SISU was ruled out - Higgs turned down a £2m offer for their shares, have other offers been turned down, or indeed ruled out?

No mention of the reduced rental offers, maybe they were short of space for the article.

What taxpayers money was thrown at strengthening the Councils grip?

The loan wasn't Council taxpayers money.

Legal costs, no mention of why were they required, and what the outcome of the court action was.

Bigger major events that I read about were the gaming convention, the Jehovah Witnesses, and that's ignoring the football matches obviously.

Ainsworth's £30m valuation, was that for ACL or the stadium? I don't know.

SISU's £5.5m offer - the Council hadn't given a loan at that point had they, so how could SISU offer to pay it off.

The Council may well be smelling of hypocrisy, the article smells of sour grapes.
 

bezzer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #34
italiahorse said:
Pubs, clubs, casino, Sky blue megastore, private car parks, batch bars, ACL, fast food outlets etc etc
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So you're privy to their books then?

Being rather selfish, I'd be a little happier with businesses booming if CCFC were in Wasps shoes. Appears you're happy local businesses are benefiting from Ann Lucas and her cronies allowing a franchise Rugby club to play in a stadium built for our football club.

Shame on you.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #35
bezzer said:
So you're privy to their books then?

Being rather selfish, I'd be a little happier with businesses booming if CCFC were in Wasps shoes. Appears you're happy local businesses are benefiting from Ann Lucas and her cronies allowing a franchise Rugby club to play in a stadium built for our football club.

Shame on you.
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Funniest thing on that list was ACL - priceless.
 
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