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He should of changed it at half time was too little too late
He changed at 70 minutes when we began to tire shortly after. Let’s be honest he should’ve started with it, it was the wrong reaction to the individual mistakes that have cost us in the goals against column
 

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Birmingham were shit and we still gave them more than enough chances to score. On a good night Juke would have had a hat trick.
So our football results have to be judged on the opposition playing potentially to their absolute best, while we judge ourselves on all our worst bits?

Sorry that isnt how I watch football or judge teams. You go on what happened on the night. Birmingham didnt score and Juke made our keeper make one save.

Are there things to work on? Of course there is and there always will be. Every team makes mistakes and has near misses in games.
 

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So our football results have to be judged on the opposition playing potentially to their absolute best, while we judge ourselves on all our worst bits?

Sorry that isnt how I watch football or judge teams. You go on what happened on the night. Birmingham didnt score and Juke made our keeper make one save.

Are there things to work on? Of course there is and there always will be. Every teams makes mistakes and has near missing in games.
What were our near misses then?

We set up to stifle Blues, who are a poor team, still let them have very decent chances and created nothing.

It was a bad day at the office.
 
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So our football results have to be judged on the opposition playing potentially to their absolute best, while we judge ourselves on all our worst bits?

Sorry that isnt how I watch football or judge teams. You go on what happened on the night. Birmingham didnt score and Juke made our keeper make one save.

Are there things to work on? Of course there is and there always will be. Every team makes mistakes and has near misses in games.
So let’s have faith in the system that creates more chances and work hard on cutting out mistakes at the back. See where it takes us because on the 3 games it was used we really ought to have taken 7 points
 

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We made the same individual mistakes in this game as well, we just got away with it. Passes going astray at the back, players losing their markers in the box, and relying on the lone striker to work miracles. We only played 5-3-2 against Watford out of the games you describe and really ought to have won if not at least drawn. In fact every game it's been used in we've either won or should have won and were keeping a clean sheet at HT in 3 out of the 4.

Robins got the call wrong imo and it's another opportunity missed.
I think unfortunately we will probably always make at least a couple of individual mistakes in games this season and at times possibly won't necessarily be indicative of the formation, but rather the ability/inexperience of our players. Although, saying that I do believe our usual formation does leaves us more open at the back as it leaves gaps on the wings (something that could have been capitalised upon by Bela especially) and gives our CB's license to have more of the ball, which as seen in previous games is an accident waiting to happen.

But we didn't win. Whether we ought to have won is largely irrelevant as two key points still remain - the number of goals we're conceding and the fact that the two times we've won this season is by scoring 3 goals. Something that we simply cannot rely upon game after game.

I agree that utilising our usual formation would have probably given us more of an attacking threat but it's useless speculating as in the same breath we could've lost by once again making more mistakes. A lost opportunity was Forest, in my opinion last night wasn't in the same category.
 
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I think unfortunately we will probably always make at least a couple of individual mistakes in games this season and at times possibly won't necessarily be indicative of the formation, but rather the ability/inexperience of our players. Although, saying that I do believe our usual formation does leaves us more open at the back as it leaves gaps on the wings (something that could have been capitalised upon by Bela especially) and gives our CB's license to have more of the ball, which as seen in previous games is an accident waiting to happen.

But we didn't win. Whether we ought to have won is largely irrelevant as two key points still remain - the number of goals we're conceding and the fact that the two times we've won this season is by scoring 3 goals. Something that we simply cannot rely upon game after game.

I agree that utilising our usual formation would have probably given us more of an attacking threat but it's useless speculating as in the same breath we could've lost by once again making more mistakes. A lost opportunity was Forest, in my opinion last night wasn't in the same category.
In which case I would prefer sticking to a system that does create an attacking threat and work hard on cutting out mistakes in training. Chopping and changing every few weeks is likely to just create further confusion/instability and induce mistakes via different means.
 

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In which case I would prefer sticking to a system that does create an attacking threat and work hard on cutting out mistakes in training. Chopping and changing every few weeks is likely to just create further confusion/instability and induce mistakes via different means.
Weve scored goals with one up front
 

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In which case I would prefer sticking to a system that does create an attacking threat and work hard on cutting out mistakes in training. Chopping and changing every few weeks is likely to just create further confusion/instability and induce mistakes via different means.
To be fair to Robins he hasn't had the easiest start to the season, I don't think he's intentionally chopping and changing for the sake of it but rather injuries and the lack of fitness of key players has played its part in forcing his hand this season.
 

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What would people think was our best performance this season over 90 minutes?
 

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They are showing Millwall v Cardiff (Hesgoal) - guessing Sky too? Anyway will have a watch and hope Cardiff pick up red cards and injuries galore.
 

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You have literally just made a post to the effect of only the results matter yet you select a draw over a win
No I said team performance - that against a strong side was a good overall performance - we rarely looked like conceding and competed well
 

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This was like a lot of games last season but we did not make mistakes that cost us, we also nicked a goal as well! If Walkers header had hit the floor it would have gone in without a doubt.
 

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If Juke had scored his free header it would've been same old same old
it’s odd you focus on ifs. Against Watford after conceding we were all over the place and could easily have conceded several times before a freak equaliser. Oddly that’s ok - if walker had managed to head the ball or through the keeper we’d be one up last night
 

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Dabo back admitiidly awful but it's what needs to happen.
Clean sheet
Walker looks so much sharper than aa month ago
Jobello on the bench
No Hamer or osti yellow
I've mixed saambuca and orange squash and it's interesting
I'm running half marathon tomorrow and I'm pissed
Brum have several more points than us and they looked fucking dire so they must have beaten someone
Bloody made it!
 

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I still think that was a good result for us yesterday after conceding 13 goals in 5. Not a good performance and plenty of fortune along the way but I think that'll be a kind of reset for the rest of the season now. People are judging the result on the context of the league table and the opposition we've already played, which I understand, but that was a real stop the rot result and I expect us to start building on that now.

I enjoyed how often we broke up play with cynical fouls, something that has been happening to us all season
Minutes into Kelly and Dabo.
Hamer playing 90 mins despite being injury rumours.
Walker looking like a striker, although I am surprised how slow he is.
 

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I still think that was a good result for us yesterday after conceding 13 goals in 5. Not a good performance and plenty of fortune along the way but I think that'll be a kind of reset for the rest of the season now. People are judging the result on the context of the league table and the opposition we've already played, which I understand, but that was a real stop the rot result and I expect us to start building on that now.

I enjoyed how often we broke up play with cynical fouls, something that has been happening to us all season
Minutes into Kelly and Dabo.
Hamer playing 90 mins despite being injury rumours.
Walker looking like a striker, although I am surprised how slow he is.
Walkers had Covid and last night played with stitches in his foot. I don't think we've seen him at anywhere near full fitness yet and think he'll be a great asset when he is.
 

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it’s odd you focus on ifs. Against Watford after conceding we were all over the place and could easily have conceded several times before a freak equaliser. Oddly that’s ok - if walker had managed to head the ball or through the keeper we’d be one up last night
it’s odd you focus on ifs. Against Watford after conceding we were all over the place and could easily have conceded several times before a freak equaliser. Oddly that’s ok - if walker had managed to head the ball or through the keeper we’d be one up last night
And being one up changes the mindset of the players as well. who knows what could have been. Ah well! onto the next game teams below did not do better than our result so all in all not too bad.
 

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Against QPR and virtually nobody else. The rest of the time the lone striker is asked to work miracles
Compared to the other teams at the bottom we're prolific in terms of goals scored. The problem is goals conceded and those are due to:
1. Giving the ball away cheaply in our own half
2. Silly penalties given away
3. Atrocious defending from corners due to zonal marking.

This has been aided and abetted by a couple of stupid red cards and people walking tightropes and needing to be replaced.

IMO the formation was fine (maybe the odd personnel tweak as we hadn't really found another effective ACM alongside o'Hare, who himself has blown hot and cold) and tinkering with it is pointless if we're still giving cheap possession away. Concentrate training on ball control and retention rather than different system and it'll be a far more effective use of time.
 
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Compared to the other teams at the bottom we're prolific in terms of goals scored. The problem is goals conceded and those are due to:
1. Giving the ball away cheaply in our own half
2. Silly penalties given away
3. Atrocious defending from corners due to zonal marking.

This has been aided and abetted by a couple of stupid red cards and people walking tightropes and needing to be replaced.

IMO the formation was fine (maybe the odd personnel tweak as we hadn't really found another effective ACM alongside o'Hare, who himself has blown hot and cold) and tinkering with it is pointless if we're still giving cheap possession away. Concentrate training on ball control and retention rather than different system and it'll be a far more effective use of time.
That’s my view too but it’s like pissing into the wind with some. In 3 games we scored as many as the other 8 (now 9) combined. If you can find a way of reducing the error count and putting away more sitters that’s the way to go. Injury problems particularly at RWB haven’t helped mind
 
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Compared to the other teams at the bottom we're prolific in terms of goals scored. The problem is goals conceded and those are due to:
1. Giving the ball away cheaply in our own half
2. Silly penalties given away
3. Atrocious defending from corners due to zonal marking.

This has been aided and abetted by a couple of stupid red cards and people walking tightropes and needing to be replaced.

IMO the formation was fine (maybe the odd personnel tweak as we hadn't really found another effective ACM alongside o'Hare, who himself has blown hot and cold) and tinkering with it is pointless if we're still giving cheap possession away. Concentrate training on ball control and retention rather than different system and it'll be a far more effective use of time.
We aren’t good enough to retain the ball for long periods
 
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The problem with that is that Reading have lost the last 4 games including against us, conceding 13 goals in the process. So it's obvious they were in a false position, and will be close to the relegation zone by the end of the year if they keep this form up.
You could still argue it was our best performance but against opposition who were much different to what their league position suggested.
 
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The problem with that is that Reading have lost the last 4 games including against us, conceding 13 goals in the process. So it's obvious they were in a false position, and will be close to the relegation zone by the end of the year if they keep this form up.
You could still argue it was our best performance but against opposition who were much different to what their league position suggested.
Yep - we looked competitive against Swansea and also actually Bristol City on day one - Reading are imploding
 

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We aren’t good enough to retain the ball for long periods
The problem with that is that Reading have lost the last 4 games including against us, conceding 13 goals in the process. So it's obvious they were in a false position, and will be close to the relegation zone by the end of the year if they keep this form up.
You could still argue it was our best performance but against opposition who were much different to what their league position suggested.
They have nosedived since but going into that game were flying and undefeated. Considering the context and the run we were on it was a great performance. Swansea wasn’t far off but we were less clinical
 

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That’s my view too but it’s like pissing into the wind with some. In 3 games we scored as many as the other 8 (now 9) combined. If you can find a way of reducing the error count and putting away more sitters that’s the way to go. Injury problems particularly at RWB haven’t helped mind
How many of those goals came from the formation - reading there was a ricochet from a corner a shocking error from a long drive and a king range midfield effort

Forest was o hare in an advanced position (like Brentford but that oddly talk about) and Watford was actually the only game where there was some link up play between two forwards

Also you forget we went two up top against Middlesbrough and then threw the game when we were heading for a great nil nil
 

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They have nosedived since but going into that game were flying and undefeated. Considering the context and the run we were on it was a great performance. Swansea wasn’t far off but we were less clinical
As this thread is called the Positivity thread, it occured to me that we should take heart from Reading. I don't know if they have had lots of injuries or what but something has gone drastically wrong for them, and over the last 4 games their results have been worse than ours.
It just proves how quickly things can change, for the worse and for the better.
Prior to our game, Reading took 22 points from 8 games and conceded only 3 goals in those games.
 

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That’s my view too but it’s like pissing into the wind with some. In 3 games we scored as many as the other 8 (now 9) combined. If you can find a way of reducing the error count and putting away more sitters that’s the way to go. Injury problems particularly at RWB haven’t helped mind
and conceded 2.25 goals per game compared to 1.85 when playing 1 up front.

I've said repeatedly, I think we'll go two up top when both Godden and Walker are fit but I don't think it will be the magic cure you're making out.
 

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and conceded 2.25 goals per game compared to 1.85 when playing 1 up front.

I've said repeatedly, I think we'll go two up top when both Godden and Walker are fit but I don't think it will be the magic cure you're making out.
I didn’t say we play that and suddenly problem solved. I did say it would give us more chances to score goals which we really struggle to do either with the box or Friday’s setup. It does tell me though that tightening up when we have a result on the cards would be more prudent. Just as you say we conceded 0.4 fewer per game with that, we scored as many in those 3 as the previous 8 combined.

If you don’t score you don’t win.