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Poll: How long will Trump be President? (2 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Captain Dart
  • Start date Jun 22, 2017
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Poll: How long will Trump be President?

  • Up to 1 year (inaugurated 20 Jan 2017)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Up to 2 years

    Votes: 6 40.0%
  • Up to 3 years

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Up to 4 years (fulll term)

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • 2 full terms (8 years)

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Total voters
    15
  • Poll closed Jun 25, 2017.
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #141
Kingokings204 said:
I quite agree. Again as per my last post. He is trying something radical which others wouldn’t have the balls to do imo. They certainly don’t here in the UK. Critize after if he badly fails.
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I think you’re mistaking having balls for having common sense. We’ll see I guess but you seem to be in a minority who are buying it whether they be everyday Americans or the independent think tanks mentioned in the articles I’ve linked.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #142
Kingokings204 said:
I quite agree. Again as per my last post. He is trying something radical which others wouldn’t have the balls to do imo. They certainly don’t here in the UK. Critize after if he badly fails.
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and one of the biggest beneficiaries will be.............................Donald Trump!
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #143
Kingokings204 said:
In my opinion he is doing something quite radical here and giving it a shot. If it doesn’t work then you can put it back up another 5% or return it back.
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Bush did the same thing so its not like this is something totally new. Why not look at when similar tax changes were introduced previously, that should give a good indication of the chances of success. Of course if people did that they'd see it was a disaster triggering a global financial meltdown. Something that can't be fixed by just changing it back.

If its all above board why wasn't the bill delivered to senators time to read it and examine it. In fact the replications rejected a democrat motion to postpone the vote until Monday to give time for the bill to be read.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #144
chiefdave said:
Bush did the same thing so its not like this is something totally new. Why not look at when similar tax changes were introduced previously, that should give a good indication of the chances of success. Of course if people did that they'd see it was a disaster triggering a global financial meltdown. Something that can't be fixed by just changing it back.

If its all above board why wasn't the bill delivered to senators time to read it and examine it. In fact the replications rejected a democrat motion to postpone the vote until Monday to give time for the bill to be read.
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Apparently some of the bill was presented with hand written changes and part of it still haven't been clarified. I think there's a process but it's been side stepped because the cost to the country doesn't go above a certain amount for ten years but I think it sky rockets after that.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #145
clint van damme said:
and one of the biggest beneficiaries will be.............................Donald Trump!
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Again, he can’t do right for doing wrong. He is trying something voted for on a ticket. critque after by all means.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #146
clint van damme said:
Apparently some of the bill was presented with hand written changes and part of it still haven't been clarified. I think there's a process but it's been side stepped because the cost to the country doesn't go above a certain amount for ten years but I think it sky rockets after that.
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And it wasn't even provided through official routes. The Democrat senators got it off Washington lobbyists!

Even the senates own committee estimates it will add $1tn of debt in the next decade.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #147
skybluetony176 said:
I think you’re mistaking having balls for having common sense. We’ll see I guess but you seem to be in a minority who are buying it whether they be everyday Americans or the independent think tanks mentioned in the articles I’ve linked.
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Yes but think tanks are just that. We had numerous think tanks in the EU ref and look how they turned out. Some claim to be indepdant and aren’t also.

Reality is always the winner.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #148
Kingokings204 said:
He is trying something voted for on a ticket
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I seem to have missed his promises of tax breaks for the richest. I certainly remember him stating that any changes to tax laws wouldn't benefit him personally.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #149
Kingokings204 said:
Again, he can’t do right for doing wrong. He is trying something voted for on a ticket. critque after by all means.
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when a politician introduces something that they materially benefit from doesn't it raise even a slight concern with you?
A lot will depend on those benefiting using the extra income to invest in jobs on American soil, will that happen, who knows but surely exempting the tax on earnings abroad isn't going to encourage that is it?
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #150
chiefdave said:
And it wasn't even provided through official routes. The Democrat senators got it off Washington lobbyists!

Even the senates own committee estimates it will add $1tn of debt in the next decade.
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I think it goes even higher after ten years, some of the figures are staggering.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #151
chiefdave said:
I seem to have missed his promises of tax breaks for the richest. I certainly remember him stating that any changes to tax laws wouldn't benefit him personally.
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Ok so you missed it. He has always stated tax reform. Hardly a big secret.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #152
clint van damme said:
A lot will depend on those benefiting using the extra income to invest in jobs on American soil, will that happen, who knows
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When Bush did it the rich just moved their money to take advantage of the tax cuts but didn't invest in capital projects or job creation. In fact the rate at which jobs moved overseas increased dramatically.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #153
clint van damme said:
when a politician introduces something that they materially benefit from doesn't it raise even a slight concern with you?
A lot will depend on those benefiting using the extra income to invest in jobs on American soil, will that happen, who knows but surely exempting the tax on earnings abroad isn't going to encourage that is it?
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A little concern but I genuinely can’t remember when a PM or POTUS hasn’t done that. He is a republican after all tbf.

All I am saying is give it a chance. I have no idea if it will work. I like the theory to it and want to see change. For a lot of poor people in America right now isn’t working either so it’s not like he is changing a winning system for these poor people is it?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #154
chiefdave said:
When Bush did it the rich just moved their money to take advantage of the tax cuts but didn't invest in capital projects or job creation. In fact the rate at which jobs moved overseas increased dramatically.
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not too much of a surprise that to be honest.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #155
Kingokings204 said:
A little concern but I genuinely can’t remember when a PM or POTUS hasn’t done that. He is a republican after all tbf.

All I am saying is give it a chance. I have no idea if it will work. I like the theory to it and want to see change. For a lot of poor people in America right now isn’t working either so it’s not like he is changing a winning system for these poor people is it?
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But couldn't he have given the tax breaks to American companies to help them invest in R&D, technology and training rather than give the rich tax breaks and hope it benefits everyone?
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #156
Kingokings204 said:
Ok so you missed it. He has always stated tax reform.
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He explicitly stated he wouldn't benefit, he will be millions better off. He kept talking of 'draining the swap', this is exactly the opposite.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #157
Kingokings204 said:
I quite agree. Again as per my last post. He is trying something radical which others wouldn’t have the balls to do imo. They certainly don’t here in the UK. Critize after if he badly fails.
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Badly fails? Mmmm that would depend on what he is actually trying to achieve. By that I don’t mean what he’s publicly saying he’s trying to achieve.

Surely the prudent thing would be to pay attention to those with the qualities to understand the ramifications of what you’re doing. At best he’s winging it, at worst he has an ulterior motive. Neither a good quality quality for a president of the US.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #158
clint van damme said:
But couldn't he have given the tax breaks to American companies to help them invest in R&D, technology and training rather than give the rich tax breaks and hope it benefits everyone?
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Exactly, if the aim is job creation you give tax breaks on things proven to create jobs.

And I think we all know who it will be that foots the bill when there is less public money. It will be austerity and 'we're all in this together'.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #159
Trump says Flynn's Russia dealings lawful

Called it. The son in law is going to fall on his sword for Trump.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #160
Kingokings204 said:
Again, he can’t do right for doing wrong. He is trying something voted for on a ticket. critque after by all means.
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He is a con man. Believe me... as he says. He is running a family business along white, nationalistic, heterosexual, christian lines.

The USA is bigger and better than that.

His base is around 30%, but he is president for 100% of Americans.

His approval ratings are the worst ever.

I hope he, and his cronies, get led out of office in handcuffs.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #161
chiefdave said:
Exactly, if the aim is job creation you give tax breaks on things proven to create jobs.

And I think we all know who it will be that foots the bill when there is less public money. It will be austerity and 'we're all in this together'.
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Yes. Doing away with death duty helps 2 out of 1000 Americans- including the Trump family and friends.. and doesn’t help the economy.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #162
Kingokings204 said:
A little concern but I genuinely can’t remember when a PM or POTUS hasn’t done that. He is a republican after all tbf.

All I am saying is give it a chance. I have no idea if it will work. I like the theory to it and want to see change. For a lot of poor people in America right now isn’t working either so it’s not like he is changing a winning system for these poor people is it?
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It has been tried before and trickle down doesn’t work.

Giving more to corporations and the rich won’t help the poor whether they are doing badly now or not.

How the fxxk can you defend this daylight robbery?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #163
Kingokings204 said:
Ok so you missed it. He has always stated tax reform. Hardly a big secret.
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He still claims that his reforms won’t benefit him or his friends when it is in black and white that he and his friends benefit most. The end of death tax on his fortune can only benefit his family at the same time as the national debt increases. If he tells everyone they will be paying less, but in reality either they won’t be, or their benefits will be phased out over the next few years, then it is a big secret until now. The poorer have been misled. And there you are, as with Brexit, defending the indefensible. Starry eyed Brexiteer and Trumpet,

When is he releasing his tax returns as promised? Maybe that would help his Glaubwürdigkeit.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #164
PS Steuerreform is passed. Trump and family to save a billion in the next 10 years. KoK must be happy.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2017
  • #165
martcov said:
He is a con man. Believe me... as he says. He is running a family business along white, nationalistic, heterosexual, christian lines.

The USA is bigger and better than that.

His base is around 30%, but he is president for 100% of Americans.

His approval ratings are the worst ever.

I hope he, and his cronies, get led out of office in handcuffs.
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You proved my point. Exactly what I was saying. Thanks.

No point debating so I shall leave it there. I’m sure you being a smart man you agree.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #166
Jerusalem is Israel's capital, Trump to say

FFS.......I wish Trump was much more like JFK or Abraham Lincoln..........
 

Otis

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  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #167
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Jerusalem is Israel's capital, Trump to say

FFS.......I wish Trump was much more like JFK or Abraham Lincoln..........
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Or a thinking, rational human being.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #168
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Jerusalem is Israel's capital, Trump to say

FFS.......I wish Trump was much more like JFK or Abraham Lincoln..........
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I’d settle for being more like George W. That’s how ridiculous Trump is.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #169
skybluetony176 said:
I’d settle for being more like George W. That’s how ridiculous Trump is.
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Whenever I see GWB on the telly, I keep thinking what a wise, rational, statesmanlike bloke he is.

That's how far we've fallen!
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #170
Despite Trump actually being a complete idiot, the amount of Trump derangement syndrome that seems to be floating around is staggering. This is a very delicate generation.

Agree or disagree, Trump's travel ban was pretty much only a follow on from the countries listed by Obama. When he put a halt on arrivals from these locations no one said shit, but because it is Trump people lose their minds. The double standards between him and Hillary are quite shocking too. They are both criminals, but in some people's eyes, one is an angel.

I know he was wrong to retweet shit from Britain First, but when his comments to May about the UK having a problem with extemism are met with 'hateful bigot' and 'fear monger', it's kind of ironic that a story likes this breaks around a week later: Man remanded over alleged plot to kill PM
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #171
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Despite Trump actually being a complete idiot, the amount of Trump derangement syndrome that seems to be floating around is staggering. This is a very delicate generation.

Agree or disagree, Trump's travel ban was pretty much only a follow on from the countries listed by Obama. When he put a halt on arrivals from these locations no one said shit, but because it is Trump people lose their minds. The double standards between him and Hillary are quite shocking too. They are both criminals, but in some people's eyes, one is an angel.

I know he was wrong to retweet shit from Britain First, but when his comments to May about the UK having a problem with extemism are met with 'hateful bigot' and 'fear monger', it's kind of ironic that a story likes this breaks around a week later: Man remanded over alleged plot to kill PM
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The fact there may be truth in it is irrelevant. He should never have put the leader of one of his closest allies in the position he put May. His behaviour was amateurish at best.
 

Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #172
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Despite Trump actually being a complete idiot, the amount of Trump derangement syndrome that seems to be floating around is staggering. This is a very delicate generation.

Agree or disagree, Trump's travel ban was pretty much only a follow on from the countries listed by Obama. When he put a halt on arrivals from these locations no one said shit, but because it is Trump people lose their minds. The double standards between him and Hillary are quite shocking too. They are both criminals, but in some people's eyes, one is an angel.

I know he was wrong to retweet shit from Britain First, but when his comments to May about the UK having a problem with extemism are met with 'hateful bigot' and 'fear monger', it's kind of ironic that a story likes this breaks around a week later: Man remanded over alleged plot to kill PM
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I'm sure very few see Clinton as an angel, she is just the lesser of 2 evils to most. Whenever Trump is cornered he simply spouts "Yeah but Clinton" and many people fall for it. He is without question a twat and a dangerous twat at that, who seems hell bent on being seen as the saviour of the West.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #173
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Agree or disagree, Trump's travel ban was pretty much only a follow on from the countries listed by Obama. When he put a halt on arrivals from these locations no one said shit, but because it is Trump people lose their minds.
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Flawed comparison on immigration restrictions
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #174
chiefdave said:
Flawed comparison on immigration restrictions
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An article full of hot air. Try better next time.

"So, are the policies similar as Trump claimed? In the most superficial of ways, yes."
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 6, 2017
  • #175
Johnnythespider said:
I'm sure very few see Clinton as an angel, she is just the lesser of 2 evils to most. Whenever Trump is cornered he simply spouts "Yeah but Clinton" and many people fall for it. He is without question a twat and a dangerous twat at that, who seems hell bent on being seen as the saviour of the West.
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Yeah, can someone please point me in the direction of those who said Clinton was an angel.

Trump is a very, very dangerous man and a hotheaded one at that.
 
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