But how do they identify you as a supporter of a particular team. I live by Fratton Park, what if we were playing Pompey and they enforced the same thing and I couldn't get a ticket, am I going to be forced to leave the city for the day?
All that has happened is you have suffered the standard ‘over policing’ that accompanies Millwall wherever they go
How long is a pub going to stay in business if it turns it's cameras off for the police to give it's customers a slap?There are a few references on the Millwall forum regarding legal advice on how to deal with a copper trying to enforce a dispersal order. It CAN be done city-wide, but only if there is a reasonable suspicion that crime and/or disorder is likely. Likely to be challengeable, but only in court!
On the subject of CCTV coverage of the allegations of police brutality in the Wheatsheaf, I wonder how many landlords have been faced with the prospect of having a plod telling him to turn the CCTV system off for a little bit. As happened with the CCTV in the cells under the Ricoh with Mark Wynn?
Offenham get your facts right before trying to stir shit. There is no cctv in the cells at the ricoh FACT and i take it you have first hsnd evidence of a police officer requesting cctv in a pub to be turned off. I doubt it very much and your an example of the few idiots who try to start rumours to justify your own hate and belief
110% there is no cctv in the cells at the ricoh. Thats what they probably mean however im not excusing that particular officers behaviour. Im sure 99% of police would agree but in al walks of life theres always a bad apple
In westminster thats probably 1%
Surely illegal to use them without cctv?From Wynn's account:
''I overheard PC Allsop asking the custody officer whether or not the video camera in the cell was working. The custody officer replied that it was not''
So... questions:
1. Why would he ask if it was working if he knew it didn't exist?
2. Have you been in those cells?
3. Why would there NOT be cameras, is that even legal?
Nope not a designated custody block so no requirement. Its a holding area not a cell block and yes i have been there samo so no first hand
From Wynn's account:
''I overheard PC Allsop asking the custody officer whether or not the video camera in the cell was working. The custody officer replied that it was not''
So... questions:
1. Why would he ask if it was working if he knew it didn't exist?
2. Have you been in those cells?
3. Why would there NOT be cameras, is that even legal?
Hang on?did you really just say that 1% in Westminster are bad apples.Really!110% there is no cctv in the cells at the ricoh. Thats what they probably mean however im not excusing that particular officers behaviour. Im sure 99% of police would agree but in al walks of life theres always a bad apple
In westminster thats probably 1%
Phew! That's ok thenNope 99% 1% are ok and thats being generous
They may talk of claret but I'd be very surprised if these proles could distinguish one wine from another. Not like we can, those philistinical fux! Cin Cin everyone!Seems like Cov have been having a go at them...
http://www.millwall.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=119746&posts=12
To be fair maybe it's a case of something being lost in translation.I think what is clear from the last few pages is that either Mr.Wynn or marcus are lying/mistaken... I know where my money is.
I think what is clear from the last few pages is that either Mr.Wynn or marcus are lying/mistaken... I know where my money is.
Samo, Cell blocks have CCTV, cells dont, or at least that was the case due to privacy laws etc, as you just cant spy on someone in a cell as they are allowed a degree of privacy. I think this is all covered in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.
There are different levels of privacy intrusion in different areas. For example, cameras sited in cell interiors are more intrusive of a person’s privacy than those sited in corridors.CCTV can be used to record activity in many areas, including:
CCTV may visually cover the following areas but, because of the need to protect legal privilege, should not have audio-recording or audio-monitoring facilities:
- the vehicle docking area
- entrance to the custody suite
- access corridors to and from the rest of the police station
- holding areas
- the charge room area
- the custody officer’s desk in the charge room (it should provide separate images showing the officer’s face/body, detainee’s face/body and property transfer on desk)
- detainees’ property store or entry to this area
- cell corridors
- entry to the interview rooms
- the fingerprinting area
- the evidential breath analysis device room
- exercise yard
- the custody office CCTV equipment cabinet
- the custody CCTV viewing area
- cell interiors (including detention rooms).
- rooms set aside for private legal consultation
- general interview rooms.
Samo, Cell blocks have CCTV, cells dont, or at least that was the case due to privacy laws etc, as you just cant spy on someone in a cell as they are allowed a degree of privacy. I think this is all covered in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.
Areas where you can get to a cell are covered by a camera, so there is veidence of who eneters a cell and leaves and at what time. As Brylowes said it may just be confusion in the translation.
So 2 police officers were having a conversation about whether or not something that doesn't exist was in working order? Is that what you are saying?
When I say something lost in translation. Had the cop who was nuts workedSo 2 police officers were having a conversation about whether or not something that doesn't exist was in working order? Is that what you are saying?
When I say something lost in translation. Had the cop who was nuts worked
the Ricoh before, possibly said to custody Sgt , is there CCTV in the cells and
Cus Sgt replies no. By the time it goes to press it's worded the other way.
Think it was probably the Cus Sgt who followed in the cell, and eventually
came forward. Whoever it was will do well to keep his career, they really
dont like cops who go against there own .
Fair do's but moff don't seem the type to lie. Sometimes with these sort of thingsThat's stretching it to be honest Bry.... see Chief Dave's post above.
I think what is clear from the last few pages is that either Mr.Wynn or marcus are lying/mistaken... I know where my money is.
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