Robccfc87
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Agreed, it's just that I understand the has-been quote, he has declined in recent years but will obviously go down as a great no matter what.
Agreed, it's just that I understand the has-been quote, he has declined in recent years but will obviously go down as a great no matter what.ah fair play didnt count chelsea twice, can admit when im wrong
should be noted with real he beat guardiolas best barca team to league title
chelsea he won league with not a vintage side
and man u we have seen their troubles under moyes,lvg,ole so to win 2 cups is still good
agree they didnt end well but id much rather have success then a bad ending than just not achieve at all, i bet spurs would too.
agree although i cant agree on has been quote, hes not failed yet. if you stay somewhere long enough you become the villain etcAgreed, it's just that I understand the has-been quote, he has declined in recent years but will obviously go down as a great no matter what.
His tenure at Man U was a failure even with the 2 trophies. And he certainly doesn't stay anywhere long enough cos he gets sacked!!!agree although i cant agree on has been quote, hes not failed yet. if you stay somewhere long enough you become the villain etc
he left porto and inter so he doesnr always get sacked. and most managers do get sacked anywayHis tenure at Man U was a failure even with the 2 trophies. And he certainly doesn't stay anywhere long enough cos he gets sacked!!!
That's his biggest problem is the negativity, I've gone from loving him to hating him in 3/4 years and it shows in his teams style. He has a perfect chance to turn that around now as he has to be offensive with that Spurs squad surely. Time will tell. If he's not got a job in 2 years then he's done as a big club manager.he left porto and inter so he doesnr always get sacked. and most managers do get sacked anyway
and even failure at man utd conssited of 2 trophies and he has outdone all the other post fergy managers
i would like him to go back to being charasmatic rather than miserable though
unless he wins a trophy at spurs in that 2 years, its not like many other spurs managers have!That's his biggest problem is the negativity, I've gone from loving him to hating him in 3/4 years and it shows in his teams style. He has a perfect chance to turn that around now as he has to be offensive with that Spurs squad surely. Time will tell. If he's not got a job in 2 years then he's done as a big club manager.
unless he wins a trophy at spurs in that 2 years, its not like many other spurs managers have!
unless he wins a trophy at spurs in that 2 years, its not like many other spurs managers have!
Reckon we'll see this, he clearly wasn't happy at United, living in a hotel away from his family I believe, clearly clashed with Pogba and probably didn't handle that situation well, he loves London life.i would like him to go back to being charasmatic rather than miserable though
Think this is a huge job for him and will show whether he still has the hunger for management and more importantly hasn't been left behind by the modern game.in recent memory ffs, whens last trophy? 2008? thats 11 years ago
if jose wins a cup with spurs its another great addition to his c.v its that simple
he is simply not a has been guys!
I would argue that the fact united were even in the Europa league whilst Spurs were in champions league is a failure on uniteds part.I would argue winning the two Europa Leagues at Utd is better than anything Poch did at Spurs. Poch’s downfall will be that he openly admits he doesn’t care about winning trophies.
not so sure, think will always be a inter milan job for him waiting at some point or anotherThink this is a huge job for him and will show whether he still has the hunger for management and more importantly hasn't been left behind by the modern game.
I'd say if he's not won a trophy by the end of 2022 he'll be a firm fixture next to Roy Keane in the sky sports studio
But it was joses first season so it cant be a failure on his part, he did his job and won itI would argue that the fact united were even in the Europa league whilst Spurs were in champions league is a failure on uniteds part.
And look at that path united got that year, incredible fortune. Also look where he took united in the league by the time he left. He's the management equivalent of heroin: great at first but after a few years you're f@#ked!!But it was joses first season so it cant be a failure on his part, he did his job and won it
if you look at europa winners since 2009/10 rebranding its prestigous trophy initself despite what chavs on social media will tell you
atletico madrid x3
sevilla x3
chelsea x2
man united
porto
A wins a win. Grasping if try to put down a European cup winAnd look at that path united got that year, incredible fortune. Also look where he took united in the league by the time he left. He's the management equivalent of heroin: great at first but after a few years you're f@#ked!!
It's just not where united should be though is it.A wins a win. Grasping if try to put down a European cup win
Has poch failed at spurs btw? Curious as look how he has left and with position spurs r in
Purely out of interest do you regard top 4 or one of the "lesser" cups as the greater achievement? On a personal note I believe in the current climate top 4 is the aim for every chairman and manager.A wins a win. Grasping if try to put down a European cup win
Has poch failed at spurs btw? Curious as look how he has left and with position spurs r in
i am old school. i respect all trophies and i hope i never change from that povPurely out of interest do you regard top 4 or one of the "lesser" cups as the greater achievement? On a personal note I believe in the current climate top 4 is the aim for every chairman and manager.
There wasn't that much good in the grand scheme of proportionate relevance. Spending what he did with a club that has more financial clout than any other he should not have had 1 good season then gone for a burton. Anyway, it looks like we respectfully disagree on what purports as success but that's not a problem, I'm sure the next two years should answer the current questions raised. I look forward to seeing it unfold (or unravel!).i am old school. i respect all trophies and i hope i never change from that pov
united were already out of top 4 when he joined, he qualified them for season after via eruopa win then next season top 4. then fell out of places before leaving the club halfway thru season. it was a bad ending but that doesnt mean you discount all that was good before hand
also have said utd his worst stint at a club but when you see how everyone else done post fergy he obv didnt do that bad at all. he clinched cl qualification in both of his first 2 full seasons and won 2 cups(3 if include community shield)
way too much being put on a bad ending which seems to happen to vast majority of managers everywhere anyway
Has been is harsh, I said in decline, he needs to change his tactics, transfer philosophy and quite honestly his negative attitude if he wants to be competing with the top 2. I will bang the drum again though: if he was that good at united why was he sacked? If it's purely down to your Pogba theory then doesn't that show he was too weak for the job?JM had the 2nd highest win % of any United manager in history, he won a domestic and European trophy, made another FA Cup final.
In 17/18 they finished 2nd in the league above Klopp and Poch with arguably an inferior squad than both.
It ended sourly mainly due to bust up with Pogba who then turned the dressing room. Clear they stopped playing for him after that.
To say he's a "has been" based on that tenure is well wide of the mark.
i am old school. i respect all trophies and i hope i never change from that pov
united were already out of top 4 when he joined, he qualified them for season after via eruopa win then next season top 4. then fell out of places before leaving the club halfway thru season. it was a bad ending but that doesnt mean you discount all that was good before hand
also have said utd his worst stint at a club but when you see how everyone else done post fergy he obv didnt do that bad at all. he clinched cl qualification in both of his first 2 full seasons and won 2 cups(3 if include community shield)
way too much being put on a bad ending which seems to happen to vast majority of managers everywhere anyway
That's 1 less trophy than joseDidn’t Van De Gaal achieve a top 4 place and a trophy?
Mourinho now confirmed.
Bad fit I think.
WHAT transfer activities??? That was Poch's main problem - he couldn't rebuild because Levy wouldn't make money available (even by selling some of their "stars")Recall Jose saying post match once when at United that he might as well be called a ‘coach’ rather than a ‘manager’ because he no longer gets to manage when it came to off field matters
Does he know Levy is all over Spurs transfer activities? :emoji_thinking:
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