I'd say that omission Paints In their favour .I do find it interesting that it doesn't include anything around financial mismanagement and financial mess/year on year losses, which the judge said left the club in parlous position..
Even david conn included some of that...
5, 4, 3, 2, 1.......
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I am a little bemused by the suggestion, also repeated elsewhere, that SISU desperately attempted to return the club to the premier league. It has been separately asserted that they spent around 40/50 million on this failed quest. Well it didn't seem like it at the time! Didn't Ranson accuse them of the very opposite in selling Fox and Dann.
I do find it interesting that it doesn't include anything around financial mismanagement and financial mess/year on year losses, which the judge said left the club in parlous position..
That wouldn't narrow it down from a whole list of loss-making football teams...
Anyone who reads those years of history condensed into that article and still supports Sisu ought to see their doctor to get checked out for Stockholm syndrome.
I don't support sisu, and I haven't got Stockholm syndrome.
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I don't support sisu, and I haven't got Stockholm syndrome. It's about context. Piling in money (not as much as some owners) to fund losses year in year out, lack of sustainable plan (judges words) leads to the only option (get the Ricoh and revenues). We should have slashed out wage bill earlier, and we should have bought back our half of ACL or at the very least renegotiated a lower rent at the beginning.
Virtually all football team lose money, it's wrong and would be allowed to happen in any other industry.
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If so many teams loose money, and about a third or so rent their grounds, why is CCFC unique in its position of trying to distress it's landlord and failing miserably at it...?
(I suppose you're going to tell me ccfc ought to be paying a Donny Rovers rent for a stadium that'd suit a respectable premiership team...).
Why not Man City? They are also called the sky blues. They also play in the same country as us.
Sometimes I wonder if you support the club at all.
I don't support sisu, and I haven't got Stockholm syndrome. It's about context. Piling in money (not as much as some owners) to fund losses year in year out, lack of sustainable plan (judges words) leads to the only option (get the Ricoh and revenues). We should have slashed out wage bill earlier, and we should have bought back our half of ACL or at the very least renegotiated a lower rent at the beginning.
Virtually all football team lose money, it's wrong and would be allowed to happen in any other industry.
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If you profess to be a fan, I can't understand how you can't decry that in absolute terms. But you don't. I'm not being judgemental, I just cannot follow your logic
MMM, I honestly believe you are a better person than dropping to the 'if you profess to be a fan' line. Its far too commonly used trying to tar someone as a lesser fan than all the supposed 'super fans' on here, so I hope you dont start falling into that trap.
Hope you accept my honest critique.
Oh mmm dear boy, it would be awfully kind of you to take a peregrination of a short cliff, that would be marvellous dear boy, tootlepip
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Yeah, there's a bit of history being rewritten with that notion that Sisu were going for the Premier League. First Division in old money. As someone said, that was very quickly nipped in the bud with the hasty sales of Fox and Dann. And other strange moves.
Much as I detest Sisu and all they stand for, I would give them credit if due. It simply wasn't the case at the time.
They had it to build on with the brief flurry of Dennis Wise, but they backtracked.
Another excellent article from 200%, reviewing the outcome and consequences of the Judicial Review.
Plus ça Change: The High Court Damning Of Coventry City http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=26346
Side-splitting japery. You should do kids parties. Problem being, such sarcasm instead of trying to address the question seems to indicate you dont want to face up to the answer
I'm learning from the master...
1) I do not support the Northampton move. I had a season ticket at the Ricoh, I don't go to Sixfields.
2) regardless who our owner is, we need a model of low/peppercorn rent and access to matchday revenue
3) the rent was far too high, and ACL and the club should have addressed that earlier. Notwithstanding ray Ranson's shortsightedness of not sorting it out at the beginning, ACL have known we've been on the verge of insolvency since, well since before we started the the build, yet we're happy to keep the huge rent up.
4) the club are making annual losses not sisu. This is about the club's finances, not sisu's.
5) if the club and he Ricoh are united in some form (even if by both being owned/leasehold not freehold by 1 company) then there's far more likely that sisu will fuck off.
That is my logic whether you agree with it or not.
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Everyone on here knows your stance. But you can't, or won't answer address the central point. You seemingly now begrudgingly accept SISU's stance was aimed at Ricoh ownership. Still go on about rent beside it being irrelevant, as successive judges have found. But what about taking a club our of its own town to prove a point? To earn a buck. That's atypical even in the mad, mad world of football. I see platitudes above. I've read placitudes from you for months. But not the condemnation it deserves. Even now, when challenged...
I refer you to point 1) I do not support the move to Northampton. Again I had a season ticket for years and I do not go to Northampton. Please show me where I am accepting of the fecking move to Northampton?
Just because I can see why sisu (from their point of view) would reject KCIC's rent offer doesn't mean I think Northampton is a barrel of laughs.
It is shit, the whole thing is shit, sisu are shit.
And I don't care what the judges say, I still blame all side, this could've and should've been sorted ages ago. Sisu are the most to blame.
The rent isn't irrelevant, it's a part of the whole thing along with the access to revenues. It might not be 100%, but it certainly isn't irrelevant. Are you suggesting it wasn't too higher? Are you suggesting that rent and revenues isn't important for our future and becoming more sustainable? Are you suggesting that new owners will coming and carry on with the high rent no revenue model?
You won't change my view on that, and I won't change your view on it. But don't you dare give me the "I don't believe a your a fan" bollocks.
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I refer you to point 1) I do not support the move to Northampton. Again I had a season ticket for years and I do not go to Northampton. Please show me where I am accepting of the fecking move to Northampton?
Just because I can see why sisu (from their point of view) would reject KCIC's rent offer doesn't mean I think Northampton is a barrel of laughs.
It is shit, the whole thing is shit, sisu are shit.
And I don't care what the judges say, I still blame all side, this could've and should've been sorted ages ago. Sisu are the most to blame.
The rent isn't irrelevant, it's a part of the whole thing along with the access to revenues. It might not be 100%, but it certainly isn't irrelevant. Are you suggesting it wasn't too higher? Are you suggesting that rent and revenues isn't important for our future and becoming more sustainable? Are you suggesting that new owners will coming and carry on with the high rent no revenue model?
You won't change my view on that, and I won't change your view on it. But don't you dare give me the "I don't believe a your a fan" bollocks.
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Another excellent article from 200%, reviewing the outcome and consequences of the Judicial Review.
Plus ça Change: The High Court Damning Of Coventry City http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=26346
Well said TT, and so you should feel vindicated mate, Some of us knew from Day 1 what SISU were going to do. It gives me no pleasure at all to reiterate what you've already said, but, reiterate it should be............PS..NICK after being accused by you yesterday, I'm STILL waiting for a response from you to my question!!!I feel totally vindicated in the many posts I have sent to this, and other places during the last few years, I now hope that "SiSSU" or whatever Alias its using this week, suffer the same level of destruction, that they have ruthlessly bestowed on our Football Club And its Ravaged, disrespected Supporters.
It makes me laugh how some people on here use the new owners argument to want to keep Sisu at the helm !!
Some seem to believe that if we got new owners and returned to the Ricoh that automatically the rent would be 1.3million. Come on guys that deal is long dead !!!!
It won't matter if its £400,000 - unless the revenues are offered as part of the package along with shares in the management company (for free) no one will want the club.
It won't matter if its £400,000 - unless the revenues are offered as part of the package along with shares in the management company (for free) no one will want the club.
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