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[dongonzalos]

No-one has stated that.

However, his support for such a poor decision, must surely be questioned....or are we not allowed to do that, and just accept shite decisions?

As an aside, what did you think when you heard that Bell had signed a 4-year extension? Chuffed to bits, took a day off work and got lashed?

He must be on at least £5k (I've heard £8k, but only heard that so can't prove it)....good use of money when we are up shit creek?

No I secretly got lashed at work

waste of good money or a way of forcing our tight arsed owners into paying wages to quality players. Like I say wish it was not just Bell, wish King, Westwood, Gunnar, Cranie, Clingan had been tied down as well. Then we would have got some money for them.

Or like with Baker some may still be here. He will be an asset as well.

Without the likes of Bell and Baker we would have two more kids.

 

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[torchomatic]

Wasn't he injured though?

I think the fact that David Bell played in less than half of the games in a season where our squad is so thin shows that Thorn didn't rate him at Championship level.

You know how the saying goes, actions speak louder than words unless they are Andy Thorn's words. :thinking about:

 

[LeamingtonBootBoy]

I think the fact that David Bell played in less than half of the games in a season where our squad is so thin shows that Thorn didn't rate him at Championship level.

You know how the saying goes, actions speak louder than words unless they are Andy Thorn's words. :thinking about:

So why so publicly approve his contract extension?

Forced was he? Didn't have the option to say nothing?

 

[sw88]

No he has been replaced with..............................

I'd rather have a vacancy in the team than a player who isn't interested in any shape or form!

 

[LeamingtonBootBoy]

I have seen no game since he has been here where he has dominated/imposed himself (despite that some seem to think 'he has it in him')....or left the ground talking about his performance.

How much more time do we have to give him before he is jettisoned? No chance now, I suppose, that he has a 4 year deal (worth £1m+) safely secured....this at a club financially in the shit.

Fucking unbelievable.

 

[dongonzalos]

I'd rather have a vacancy in the team than a player who isn't interested in any shape or form!

So our current midfield is Deegan/Thomas/ Bell/ Baker (Bigi, apparently on his way)

You would rather have a squad with midfield consisting of 4 players, rather than Clingan as well?

My point is any manager with half a brain would encourage their owners to sign people, who can do a job up for long term contracts. Especially when you have owners who have a habit of releasing people and not replacing them.

That way you either get a transfer fee for them or at least you have something that resembles a squad, if the owners can't sell them.

We may get to have Mcpake next season in league one due to this.

However I expect we will lose him for a transfer fee, but at least it wont be on a free

By not getting people to commit to long term, we have lost so many people on a freebie.

 

[LeamingtonBootBoy]

Yes, Dongy...but get the RIGHT ones to commit, not players who every CCFC fan I know, to a man/woman, agree is an utter waste of space....

 

[ashbyjan]

Bell and Baker were purely given contracts by that idiot Dulieu so they had a book value - although our financial experts on here dispute that - nothing to do with their ability or rather lack of it or worth to the team. Signing players on long term is ok if they are the right players but of they are mistakes - like Eastwood - you are shelling out for 4 years at 10k a week - thats £2m that pikey waste of skin has taken us for. These days contracts are all in the players favour - if they want to leave then it is very rare for a club to force them to stay and if they wish to they can just refuse to sign a new one and pocket a signing on fee and if they are crap ala Freddy they simply bleed the club until the contract finishes and contribute nothing for the money. With our limited or non existent budget we cannot afford the risk of long contracts - best we can hope for is one year journeymen contracts and the odd loan - should the embargo ever be lifted.

 

[dongonzalos]

Yes, Dongy...but get the RIGHT ones to commit, not players who every CCFC fan I know, to a man/woman, agree is an utter waste of space....

fair point, I just hope against hope. He takes on a sense of responsibility as a senior pro (like fatswood didn't), has an injury free season and performs in this division like he did for Luton.

If I was honest and we could free up Bell's wages and sign two free transfer midfielders, then I would take it.

However I don't trust our owners, so I take it as a small mercy that he is still here. As oppose to the fact a championship club wont even bid 100k for him!

 

[LeamingtonBootBoy]

fair point, I just hope against hope. He takes on a sense of responsibility as a senior pro (like fatswood didn't), has an injury free season and performs in this division like he did for Luton.

If I was honest and we could free up Bell's wages and sign two free transfer midfielders, then I would take it.

However I don't trust our owners, so I take it as a small mercy that he is still here. As oppose to the fact a championship club wont even bid 100k for him!

I agree that the SISU factor is an added complication.

Jan, so do you not think that AT played some role....i.e he pointed out the players he wanted Dilieu to offer long term deals to????

 

[ashbyjan]

My opinion is no - Dulieu was so arrogant that he wouldn't stoop to talk to someone like Thorn - it was purely a financial decision. Where AT is culpable is jumping up and down with glee like a little girl saying what a great deal it is for the club etc. If he had a backbone he would have just either said nothing or been more non commital. I have yet to talk to any City fan who thinks these were good deals - Bell £6.5k a week in the 3rd Division is simply madness. I was told that some of the new comtracts did have a wage cut in event of relegation but don't know if that applied to Bell and Baker.

 

[dongonzalos]

312k a year, he better take on the role of a senior pro!

It is a shame contracts don't have a minimal amount of games criteria.

If you are playing it is the full 6500
If you are injured it is full pay for 6 weeks, half pay until you return
If you are on the bench 3/4 of full pay
If you are not even on the bench half pay.

It really would focus footballer minds!

 

[StevieM]

Didn't the contract extensions come at the same time as Dulieu appointed himself "director of football" and the "dugout-gate" episode?
Thorns opinion or probably anyone else's at the club for that matter, would have had little or no impact on what that egotistical wanker had planned for the club.
Probably the only decent thing that SISU did do for the club last season was to fuck Dulieu off out of the club - and I am sure would that have cost them/us money.
I don't rate Bell either - for the record, he is up there with Julian Darby and Paul Telfer for me, he has an ability to hide on the pitch but if he was to be moved on then the money saved on his wages wouldn't be released back to Thorn to replace him and we would have another youngster out there and a squad with an even more depleted head count.
Next season (if we are still in existence) I think we should all try and give all the malingerers in our team a blank sheet (do we have a choice?), and if they don't perform at Division Three level then they deserve all the shit that will inevitably be thrown at them.
PUSB

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Wasn't he injured though?

He had a few injuries but a lot of the time he was just not selected. The only injury news I can find about him for last season was he missed 6 games near the end of the season between March and April.

Carl Baker missed 4 weeks at the start of the season when he was injured vs Ipswich and then missed a further 5 weeks when he was injured at the end of last season and yet he still started more games than Bell

 

[stupot07]

He had a few injuries but a lot of the time he was just not selected. The only injury news I can find about him for last season was he missed 6 games near the end of the season between March and April.

Carl Baker missed 4 weeks at the start of the season when he was injured vs Ipswich and then missed a further 5 weeks when he was injured at the end of last season and yet he still started more games than Bell

Nah Bell had lots of little niggly injuries he missed 8 games in march apr though injury - palace home, birmingham home, watford and cardiff away, portsmouth home, hull away, peterborough home, and bristol city away. He also missed the last with injury - doncaster home and southampton away. He also missed cardiff home, west ham home and brighton away through injury in November and also palace away when Bigi, Thomas and ruffels all played, So that's at least 14 he missed through injury and he was in the match day squad 32 times (20 start, 9 sub, 3 unused sub) so that's only 2 games not accounted for:

Southampton fa cup - Jeffers and ruffels were on the bench and we only named 6 subs so bell must have been injured
Leeds at home - again ruffels is on the bench so bell must have been injured

 

[LeamingtonBootBoy]

My opinion is no - Dulieu was so arrogant that he wouldn't stoop to talk to someone like Thorn - it was purely a financial decision. Where AT is culpable is jumping up and down with glee like a little girl saying what a great deal it is for the club etc. If he had a backbone he would have just either said nothing or been more non commital. I have yet to talk to any City fan who thinks these were good deals - Bell £6.5k a week in the 3rd Division is simply madness. I was told that some of the new comtracts did have a wage cut in event of relegation but don't know if that applied to Bell and Baker.

I agree totally with that, Jan.

My argument is that by being so publicly vocal in supporting this incredulous move (as you state), AT is linked to the situation.

I've heard they are on £8k a week, but even £6.5 a week is a pisstake....£350,000 a year...FFS!

 

[LeamingtonBootBoy]

Nah Bell had lots of little niggly injuries he missed 8 games in march apr though injury - palace home, birmingham home, watford and cardiff away, portsmouth home, hull away, peterborough home, and bristol city away. He also missed the last with injury - doncaster home and southampton away. He also missed cardiff home, west ham home and brighton away through injury in November and also palace away when Bigi, Thomas and ruffels all played, So that's at least 14 he missed through injury and he was in the match day squad 32 times (20 start, 9 sub, 3 unused sub) so that's only 2 games not accounted for:

Southampton fa cup - Jeffers and ruffels were on the bench and we only named 6 subs so bell must have been injured
Leeds at home - again ruffels is on the bench so bell must have been injured

So we've signed an injury prone player for another 4 years...an even worse situation!

A shit player who plays around 40% of games and has a strike ratio of 6 goals in 3 and a half years...or one every 15 games. Fucking waste of space.

Stats;

169 - Games available to play in since signing on January 2009
71 - Starts
20 - Sub appearances
6 - Goals

£1.3 million - wages paid
£18,000 - per game started
£20,000+ - per goal scored

And folk wonder why we are where we are.....

 

[cheever]

Jesus, when you put it like that, LBB, the likes of Bell deserve as much stick as SISU....:jerkit:

 

[dongonzalos]

Nah Bell had lots of little niggly injuries he missed 8 games in march apr though injury - palace home, birmingham home, watford and cardiff away, portsmouth home, hull away, peterborough home, and bristol city away. He also missed the last with injury - doncaster home and southampton away. He also missed cardiff home, west ham home and brighton away through injury in November and also palace away when Bigi, Thomas and ruffels all played, So that's at least 14 he missed through injury and he was in the match day squad 32 times (20 start, 9 sub, 3 unused sub) so that's only 2 games not accounted for:

Southampton fa cup - Jeffers and ruffels were on the bench and we only named 6 subs so bell must have been injured
Leeds at home - again ruffels is on the bench so bell must have been injured

Some say the depth of our squad was not an issue last season and should not be an issue this season. Frightening

 

[Houchens Head]

So we've signed an injury prone player for another 4 years...an even worse situation!

A shit player who plays around 40% of games and has a strike ratio of 6 goals in 3 and a half years...or one every 15 games. Fucking waste of space.

Stats;

169 - Games available to play in since signing on January 2009
71 - Starts
20 - Sub appearances
6 - Goals

£1.3 million - wages paid
£18,000 - per game started
£20,000+ - per goal scored

And folk wonder why we are where we are.....

How much is that an hour? And is he on time and a half for working Saturdays? :thinking about:

 

[cheever]

HH, you used the word 'working' in the same sentence as describing David Bell.

Do you want to edit your post, mate...?

 

[cheever]

So we've signed an injury prone player for another 4 years...an even worse situation!

A shit player who plays around 40% of games and has a strike ratio of 6 goals in 3 and a half years...or one every 15 games. Fucking waste of space.

Stats;

169 - Games available to play in since signing on January 2009
71 - Starts
20 - Sub appearances
6 - Goals

£1.3 million - wages paid
£18,000 - per game started
£20,000+ - per goal scored

And folk wonder why we are where we are.....

Get your maths right, LBB, it's £200K+ per goal....

 

[thegameaintstraight]

£300k+ per goal including the transfer fee? .....

 

[wingy]

I think someone figured out it costs around £600k.per goal scored in the Prem,So he should have been the Messi of the championship.

 

[stupot07]

He's a midfield player not a striker. Chelsea paid £16.8m for Claude Makele and he scored two goals - £8.4m per goal - what a rip off.

 

[cheever]

Yes, but Makele was a holding midfielder, Bell is supposed to be much more atatcking/creative....so your example is flawed.

I'll give you a more startling example...a fully fledged defender...Richard Wood.

He has scored the same number of goals as Bell(end)....6...in 76 starts and 12 sub appearances.

That's less 'pitch time' than 'quality Belly'.

:jerkit:

 

[dongonzalos]

Yes, but Makele was a holding midfielder, Bell is supposed to be much more atatcking/creative....so your example is flawed.

I'll give you a more startling example...a fully fledged defender...Richard Wood.

He has scored the same number of goals as Bell(end)....6...in 76 starts and 12 sub appearances.

That's less 'pitch time' than 'quality Belly'.

:jerkit:

You have thought about this too much

 

[stupot07]

Yes, but Makele was a holding midfielder, Bell is supposed to be much more atatcking/creative....so your example is flawed.

I'll give you a more startling example...a fully fledged defender...Richard Wood.

He has scored the same number of goals as Bell(end)....6...in 76 starts and 12 sub appearances.

That's less 'pitch time' than 'quality Belly'.

:jerkit:

He only scored 17 in 224 games prior to signing for us so his strike rate has hardly dropped now has it? It's not as if he was a prolific goalscoring midfielder when we signed him!

Whereas Carl Baker was signed as a goalscoring midfielder having scored 53 goals in 200ish games (1 in 4 strike rate) and he's only scored 2 in 80 games for us (1 in 40 strike rate).

And my example was given tongue in cheek btw.

:jerkit:

 

[cheever]

Apologies, Stupot.

Also the :jerkit: sign was aimed at Bell, not you.

I must admit, i was pondering the thought that we may have had a David Bell-fan in our midst....

 

[cheever]

He only scored 17 in 224 games prior to signing for us so his strike rate has hardly dropped now has it? It's not as if he was a prolific goalscoring midfielder when we signed him!

:jerkit:

Yes, but a return of one goal in 16 is just not good enough, is it?

And to cap it off, he is here for another 4 years....unbelievable....

 

[dongonzalos]

If I was David Bell, I would have a restraining order out on you cheever

 

[cheever]

I have his twitter account....and have posted asking if he thinks he will put in a little more effort next season.

No reply.

 

[stupot07]

No worries Cheever, no not a closet bell fan, like freddy I can see something in him but he frustrates me. It's all in his head....

And no he's contribution isn't good enough, i suppose i just felt as though he's being scapegoated when really there's a long line of players that also haven't delivered/been good enough since joining us.